(03-31-2014 01:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think that the Big 12 would be a travel nightmare for UConn. As for the ACC, I agree with what has been said. UConn is a threat to BC and Syracuse recruiting, so those schools want to marginalize us. Also, as has been stated, schools like FSU and Clemson don't want more northerners. So, as a UConn fan, I am over the ACC.

UConn's best bet is the B1G. At this point, I actually think it is a better fit that the ACC:
1) UConn wants to be AAU regardless of conference affiliation. The focus on being a top research university fits what both UConn wants and the B1G wants (as AAU membership is mandatory in the B1G)
2) all conferences (A10, Big East, ACC, B1G) are now setting their sights on NYC and talking about playing their conference bball tournaments in NYC. UConn gets the B1G the two schools (UConn, Rutgers) that are geographically closest to NYC. It marginalizes the ACC's claim to NYC (as BC and Cuse are more than 200 miles from NYC and the other two closest ACC schools are between 350 and 400 miles)
3) The B1G gets to plant their flag in New England to benefit the B1G network. UConn has shown that is has a large presence in New York and UConn is also close to Boston. Plus, the Hartford-New Haven television market is the largest television market in the country without a pro sports team. Having the B1G dominate that market in sports broadcasting would be a plus for the B1G's coffers
4) There are tons of B1G alums (Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc.) in NYC and Boston that would love to have a New England school nearby where they could see their teams play
5) The B1G only has 6 hockey teams at the moment. UConn is the only target that can help them expand the league in hockey (Cuse doesn't have hockey and the BC doesn't fit the B1G profile as they are non-AAU and a private school (yes, I am aware that Northwestern is private). Getting B1G hockey into New England would be huge for the B1G Network as New England has so many great recruits (and having the B1G land them instead of Hockey East would help the B1G (yes, I am aware that "football drives the bus", not hockey)
6) UConn men's bball has been one of the top few teams of the last 20 years and the UConn women are in a league of their own. That helps to counter the ACC's newest additions a bit
7) UConn is a northern school (as are all current B1G schools). We won't be at a football recruiting disadvantage based on weather. Our football recruiting disadvantage would be tradition (which, in hoops, we make up for in spades with our impressive tradition)

Some of you may not see some of the points that I have listed as valuable. That is fine as we all have differing opinions. However, I think that UConn fits nicely into the B1G

Serious question, why would the B10 value Rutgers over UConn? Was it the instability shown by UConn at the time? Playing off campus? Some (IMO misguided) POV that Rutgers has the larger athletic impact to NYC? The added value of Rutgers to Philly (also somewhat questionable). At this point (with hindsight of course), I would argue that they made the wrong choice. The timing of that Bball suspension could not have been worse for UConn.

(03-31-2014 01:48 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:44 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:00 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 12:37 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I see a very low probability of UConn joining either the ACC or Big Ten.

UConn's best bet (and for that matter UC, USF, UCF, and whoever else you want to throw in there) is for the Big 12 to decide to add an eastern wing and go to say 14 schools. I think they'd be a shoe in at that point. Other than that, I think their options are very limited to gain access to the so called "P5" (a terminology that is wrongly applied - if we're going on on the field, then the American is a power conf in 2014)

ACC and B1G are far more likely than the Big 12 for UConn and probably Cincy.

For one, the Big 12 is fine with having one eastern school. The less trips out east they have to make the better. You think they will add an eastern school to the conference to help WVU and hurt the rest of the conference? Think again.

If the ACC wants to add another school for all sports which would give them 16 for basketball, UConn and Cincy would be right in there.

If the B1G wants to expand east again, who do you think they will look at? They have already alluded to a bigger eastern presence.

If either of those conferences should or need to expand, UConn's chances are really quite good.

Big 10 will never happen. UC will never ever join the B10. UConn's chances are low...B10 wants to expand south next into ACC territory, taking, for example GT and UNC, imo. That is if they ever do expand. If the ACC got raided, then you're in. Otherwise, I see no smoke that the ACC is even thinking about going past 14.

Your best immediate bet is to convince the B12 to add an eastern wing for WVU with the likes of UC, and possibly FL schools.

Not disagreeing with you except for the Big 12 part.

If UConn's B1G and ACC chances are low, then the Big 12 is nil.

The Big 12 has no desire expand further east.

As for the B1G moving south? What options do they have? The ACC signed a GOR, nobody leaves the SEC. I don't see many if at all opportunities in the south for them.

Tulane

(03-31-2014 01:54 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think that the Big 12 would be a travel nightmare for UConn. As for the ACC, I agree with what has been said. UConn is a threat to BC and Syracuse recruiting, so those schools want to marginalize us. Also, as has been stated, schools like FSU and Clemson don't want more northerners. So, as a UConn fan, I am over the ACC.

UConn's best bet is the B1G. At this point, I actually think it is a better fit that the ACC:
1) UConn wants to be AAU regardless of conference affiliation. The focus on being a top research university fits what both UConn wants and the B1G wants (as AAU membership is mandatory in the B1G)
2) all conferences (A10, Big East, ACC, B1G) are now setting their sights on NYC and talking about playing their conference bball tournaments in NYC. UConn gets the B1G the two schools (UConn, Rutgers) that are geographically closest to NYC. It marginalizes the ACC's claim to NYC (as BC and Cuse are more than 200 miles from NYC and the other two closest ACC schools are between 350 and 400 miles)
3) The B1G gets to plant their flag in New England to benefit the B1G network. UConn has shown that is has a large presence in New York and UConn is also close to Boston. Plus, the Hartford-New Haven television market is the largest television market in the country without a pro sports team. Having the B1G dominate that market in sports broadcasting would be a plus for the B1G's coffers
4) There are tons of B1G alums (Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc.) in NYC and Boston that would love to have a New England school nearby where they could see their teams play
5) The B1G only has 6 hockey teams at the moment. UConn is the only target that can help them expand the league in hockey (Cuse doesn't have hockey and the BC doesn't fit the B1G profile as they are non-AAU and a private school (yes, I am aware that Northwestern is private). Getting B1G hockey into New England would be huge for the B1G Network as New England has so many great recruits (and having the B1G land them instead of Hockey East would help the B1G (yes, I am aware that "football drives the bus", not hockey)
6) UConn men's bball has been one of the top few teams of the last 20 years and the UConn women are in a league of their own. That helps to counter the ACC's newest additions a bit
7) UConn is a northern school (as are all current B1G schools). We won't be at a football recruiting disadvantage based on weather. Our football recruiting disadvantage would be tradition (which, in hoops, we make up for in spades with our impressive tradition)

Some of you may not see some of the points that I have listed as valuable. That is fine as we all have differing opinions. However, I think that UConn fits nicely into the B1G

Serious question, why would the B10 value Rutgers over UConn? Was it the instability shown by UConn at the time? Playing off campus? Some (IMO misguided) POV that Rutgers has the larger athletic impact to NYC? The added value of Rutgers to Philly (also somewhat questionable). At this point (with hindsight of course), I would argue that they made the wrong choice. The timing of that Bball suspension could not have been worse for UConn.

Rutgers is 36 miles from NYC. UConn is 141 miles from NYC.

While Connecticut's fanbase (and alums) are located closer to NYC than the UConn campus, Rutgers still makes for a more convenient place for B1G alums to catch their teams and the mileage difference makes it easier for Rutgers/B1G to claim that Rutgers is NYC's team (even though in hoop UConn does a zillion times better than Rutgers and is equal to Cuse in fan appeal)

(03-31-2014 01:59 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:54 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think that the Big 12 would be a travel nightmare for UConn. As for the ACC, I agree with what has been said. UConn is a threat to BC and Syracuse recruiting, so those schools want to marginalize us. Also, as has been stated, schools like FSU and Clemson don't want more northerners. So, as a UConn fan, I am over the ACC.

UConn's best bet is the B1G. At this point, I actually think it is a better fit that the ACC:
1) UConn wants to be AAU regardless of conference affiliation. The focus on being a top research university fits what both UConn wants and the B1G wants (as AAU membership is mandatory in the B1G)
2) all conferences (A10, Big East, ACC, B1G) are now setting their sights on NYC and talking about playing their conference bball tournaments in NYC. UConn gets the B1G the two schools (UConn, Rutgers) that are geographically closest to NYC. It marginalizes the ACC's claim to NYC (as BC and Cuse are more than 200 miles from NYC and the other two closest ACC schools are between 350 and 400 miles)
3) The B1G gets to plant their flag in New England to benefit the B1G network. UConn has shown that is has a large presence in New York and UConn is also close to Boston. Plus, the Hartford-New Haven television market is the largest television market in the country without a pro sports team. Having the B1G dominate that market in sports broadcasting would be a plus for the B1G's coffers
4) There are tons of B1G alums (Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc.) in NYC and Boston that would love to have a New England school nearby where they could see their teams play
5) The B1G only has 6 hockey teams at the moment. UConn is the only target that can help them expand the league in hockey (Cuse doesn't have hockey and the BC doesn't fit the B1G profile as they are non-AAU and a private school (yes, I am aware that Northwestern is private). Getting B1G hockey into New England would be huge for the B1G Network as New England has so many great recruits (and having the B1G land them instead of Hockey East would help the B1G (yes, I am aware that "football drives the bus", not hockey)
6) UConn men's bball has been one of the top few teams of the last 20 years and the UConn women are in a league of their own. That helps to counter the ACC's newest additions a bit
7) UConn is a northern school (as are all current B1G schools). We won't be at a football recruiting disadvantage based on weather. Our football recruiting disadvantage would be tradition (which, in hoops, we make up for in spades with our impressive tradition)

Some of you may not see some of the points that I have listed as valuable. That is fine as we all have differing opinions. However, I think that UConn fits nicely into the B1G

Serious question, why would the B10 value Rutgers over UConn? Was it the instability shown by UConn at the time? Playing off campus? Some (IMO misguided) POV that Rutgers has the larger athletic impact to NYC? The added value of Rutgers to Philly (also somewhat questionable). At this point (with hindsight of course), I would argue that they made the wrong choice. The timing of that Bball suspension could not have been worse for UConn.

Rutgers is 36 miles from NYC. UConn is 141 miles from NYC.

While Connecticut's fanbase (and alums) are located closer to NYC than the UConn campus, Rutgers still makes for a more convenient place for B1G alums to catch their teams and the mileage difference makes it easier for Rutgers/B1G to claim that Rutgers is NYC's team (even though in hoop UConn does a zillion times better than Rutgers and is equal to Cuse in fan appeal)

Also, it might be easier to convince NYC to add the B1G network via Rutgers vs UConn because of distance, but convenience to fans must have been key as in addition to your points, Rutgers has 12k more seats. However, the Rutgers brand just blows in NYC and is nothing compared to what we saw this weekend. As you can tell, I am very bullish on UConn. Hope they stay however.

(03-31-2014 11:21 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:16 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:07 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  UConn fits perfectly but they aren't a school that you expand for.

That's a good point. If UConn were in the ACC right now, nobody in the ACC would be saying "damn, how did we get stuck with UConn? How can we get rid of them"? As you say, they would fit fine.

But it is also true that they don't bring enough to the table to expand for. They don't bring additional media value.

I guess that is why I started the thread to some degree, didn't this weekend show that they do have a brand that can have a real impact in the largest market in the world? I mean Rutgers got moved to the B10 on the chance that they can grow and make a real impact in NYC, Uconn is already there.

Did the ACC "need" to add Louisville?

Incredible that you graduated from Tulane. That's not why Rutgers was offered B1G membership at all. Rutgers doesn't have to "grow" a bit and the B1G would still be getting exactly what they invited them for.

"The strategy is about television. Mr. Delany does not expect New Yorkers to start following Rutgers football the way they follow the Giants or the Yankees, but the Big Ten alums spread throughout the New York region are likely to pay attention when Michigan and Ohio State show up"

You are more credible than the NY times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/busine....html?_r=0

I think this is a key point. First I'll say that institutionally and academically was a perfect fit for the Big Ten and the CIC, and they said that in a report about 15 years ago.

Once Rutgers had passed that litmus test, I think that the Big Ten didn't view them as having athletic/financial value in and of themselves. What they did was to get the Big ten into a big state market in which alumni could lobby TV corporations to get the Big Ten network on one of their channels - preferably as part of their basic package. Once that is accomplished, it provides a platform for the conference to sell itself to a diverse range of viewers in the NY/NJ market. I don't think they ever believed that Rutgers could accomplish this by themselves.

The recent Big Ten expansion seemed to be part of a big city strategy in the East with Rutgers and Maryland joining with Penn State and other conference school alums to bring NY, Phila, Balt, and DC. Time will tell how well this strategy works.

The Big Ten has had its eye on NYC since the beginning of its expansion. Notre Dame was their first target to advance this strategy. They have clearly proceeded to Plan B. The best hope for UConn is that The Rutgers addition by itself is not enough to get them on the cable networks in NYC. UConn is the only other university with all sports in the tri-state region that they can turn to in an effort to increase demand. The only way that could ever change would be if Stony Brook ever decided to become a player, but that would still be decades away even if such a decision were made to morrow.

The Big Ten is big on football tradition, which UConn is lacking. They're also lacking a Big Ten caliber football stadium. Those are serious obstacles that would have to be overcome; I don't know if they can be. Winning the Fiesta Bowl would have been a bigger step in that direction than winning the basketball championship a few years ago. Tradition can't be created overnight when the judge is a conference whose traditions go back to the 1800's.

UConn is moving forward in a major way with a biomedical/DNA cutting edge research facility. They also have relationships with United Technologies, the biggest developer of fuel cell technology in the world. Those are major pluses, which put them on the road to AAU membership. They are a state flagship of a state with a medium sized population and the highest per capita income in the country. They dominate their home state market, all of which is a real plus for advertising.

So, they have some assets and some drawbacks for Big Ten consideration. Rutgers overcame similar issues of tradition and stadium, so those aren't necessarily fatal. Efforts by the ACC to market themselves in NYC could become an increasingly relevant factor. It all depends on whether UConn is the right match for the Big Ten's needs at the time any future decisions are being made

(03-31-2014 01:48 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:44 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:00 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 12:37 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I see a very low probability of UConn joining either the ACC or Big Ten.

UConn's best bet (and for that matter UC, USF, UCF, and whoever else you want to throw in there) is for the Big 12 to decide to add an eastern wing and go to say 14 schools. I think they'd be a shoe in at that point. Other than that, I think their options are very limited to gain access to the so called "P5" (a terminology that is wrongly applied - if we're going on on the field, then the American is a power conf in 2014)

ACC and B1G are far more likely than the Big 12 for UConn and probably Cincy.

For one, the Big 12 is fine with having one eastern school. The less trips out east they have to make the better. You think they will add an eastern school to the conference to help WVU and hurt the rest of the conference? Think again.

If the ACC wants to add another school for all sports which would give them 16 for basketball, UConn and Cincy would be right in there.

If the B1G wants to expand east again, who do you think they will look at? They have already alluded to a bigger eastern presence.

If either of those conferences should or need to expand, UConn's chances are really quite good.

Big 10 will never happen. UC will never ever join the B10. UConn's chances are low...B10 wants to expand south next into ACC territory, taking, for example GT and UNC, imo. That is if they ever do expand. If the ACC got raided, then you're in. Otherwise, I see no smoke that the ACC is even thinking about going past 14.

Your best immediate bet is to convince the B12 to add an eastern wing for WVU with the likes of UC, and possibly FL schools.

Not disagreeing with you except for the Big 12 part.

If UConn's B1G and ACC chances are low, then the Big 12 is nil.

The Big 12 has no desire expand further east.

As for the B1G moving south? What options do they have? The ACC signed a GOR, nobody leaves the SEC. I don't see many if at all opportunities in the south for them.

Apparently you didn't read the recent article that GOR's are basically a paper tiger and not as iron clad as some would have you to believe.

If Maryland jumped to B10 then someone else from ACC could as well.

I'm not actually expecting it to happen, just that it could, at which a spot would be opened for UConn in ACC.

(03-31-2014 02:03 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:59 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:54 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think that the Big 12 would be a travel nightmare for UConn. As for the ACC, I agree with what has been said. UConn is a threat to BC and Syracuse recruiting, so those schools want to marginalize us. Also, as has been stated, schools like FSU and Clemson don't want more northerners. So, as a UConn fan, I am over the ACC.

UConn's best bet is the B1G. At this point, I actually think it is a better fit that the ACC:
1) UConn wants to be AAU regardless of conference affiliation. The focus on being a top research university fits what both UConn wants and the B1G wants (as AAU membership is mandatory in the B1G)
2) all conferences (A10, Big East, ACC, B1G) are now setting their sights on NYC and talking about playing their conference bball tournaments in NYC. UConn gets the B1G the two schools (UConn, Rutgers) that are geographically closest to NYC. It marginalizes the ACC's claim to NYC (as BC and Cuse are more than 200 miles from NYC and the other two closest ACC schools are between 350 and 400 miles)
3) The B1G gets to plant their flag in New England to benefit the B1G network. UConn has shown that is has a large presence in New York and UConn is also close to Boston. Plus, the Hartford-New Haven television market is the largest television market in the country without a pro sports team. Having the B1G dominate that market in sports broadcasting would be a plus for the B1G's coffers
4) There are tons of B1G alums (Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc.) in NYC and Boston that would love to have a New England school nearby where they could see their teams play
5) The B1G only has 6 hockey teams at the moment. UConn is the only target that can help them expand the league in hockey (Cuse doesn't have hockey and the BC doesn't fit the B1G profile as they are non-AAU and a private school (yes, I am aware that Northwestern is private). Getting B1G hockey into New England would be huge for the B1G Network as New England has so many great recruits (and having the B1G land them instead of Hockey East would help the B1G (yes, I am aware that "football drives the bus", not hockey)
6) UConn men's bball has been one of the top few teams of the last 20 years and the UConn women are in a league of their own. That helps to counter the ACC's newest additions a bit
7) UConn is a northern school (as are all current B1G schools). We won't be at a football recruiting disadvantage based on weather. Our football recruiting disadvantage would be tradition (which, in hoops, we make up for in spades with our impressive tradition)

Some of you may not see some of the points that I have listed as valuable. That is fine as we all have differing opinions. However, I think that UConn fits nicely into the B1G

Serious question, why would the B10 value Rutgers over UConn? Was it the instability shown by UConn at the time? Playing off campus? Some (IMO misguided) POV that Rutgers has the larger athletic impact to NYC? The added value of Rutgers to Philly (also somewhat questionable). At this point (with hindsight of course), I would argue that they made the wrong choice. The timing of that Bball suspension could not have been worse for UConn.

Rutgers is 36 miles from NYC. UConn is 141 miles from NYC.

While Connecticut's fanbase (and alums) are located closer to NYC than the UConn campus, Rutgers still makes for a more convenient place for B1G alums to catch their teams and the mileage difference makes it easier for Rutgers/B1G to claim that Rutgers is NYC's team (even though in hoop UConn does a zillion times better than Rutgers and is equal to Cuse in fan appeal)

Also, it might be easier to convince NYC to add the B1G network via Rutgers vs UConn because of distance, but convenience to fans must have been key as in addition to your points, Rutgers has 12k more seats. However, the Rutgers brand just blows in NYC and is nothing compared to what we saw this weekend. As you can tell, I am very bullish on UConn. Hope they stay however.

Isn't there something in the B10's bylaws that schools added must be in states contiguous with the conference's current footprint? Pennsylvania borders NJ, so it made it possible to get Rutgers. UConn last time I checked hasn't and doesn't border a B10 state, so unless they change their own rules, probably out of luck for an invite there.

(03-31-2014 02:18 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:03 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:59 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:54 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think that the Big 12 would be a travel nightmare for UConn. As for the ACC, I agree with what has been said. UConn is a threat to BC and Syracuse recruiting, so those schools want to marginalize us. Also, as has been stated, schools like FSU and Clemson don't want more northerners. So, as a UConn fan, I am over the ACC.

UConn's best bet is the B1G. At this point, I actually think it is a better fit that the ACC:
1) UConn wants to be AAU regardless of conference affiliation. The focus on being a top research university fits what both UConn wants and the B1G wants (as AAU membership is mandatory in the B1G)
2) all conferences (A10, Big East, ACC, B1G) are now setting their sights on NYC and talking about playing their conference bball tournaments in NYC. UConn gets the B1G the two schools (UConn, Rutgers) that are geographically closest to NYC. It marginalizes the ACC's claim to NYC (as BC and Cuse are more than 200 miles from NYC and the other two closest ACC schools are between 350 and 400 miles)
3) The B1G gets to plant their flag in New England to benefit the B1G network. UConn has shown that is has a large presence in New York and UConn is also close to Boston. Plus, the Hartford-New Haven television market is the largest television market in the country without a pro sports team. Having the B1G dominate that market in sports broadcasting would be a plus for the B1G's coffers
4) There are tons of B1G alums (Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc.) in NYC and Boston that would love to have a New England school nearby where they could see their teams play
5) The B1G only has 6 hockey teams at the moment. UConn is the only target that can help them expand the league in hockey (Cuse doesn't have hockey and the BC doesn't fit the B1G profile as they are non-AAU and a private school (yes, I am aware that Northwestern is private). Getting B1G hockey into New England would be huge for the B1G Network as New England has so many great recruits (and having the B1G land them instead of Hockey East would help the B1G (yes, I am aware that "football drives the bus", not hockey)
6) UConn men's bball has been one of the top few teams of the last 20 years and the UConn women are in a league of their own. That helps to counter the ACC's newest additions a bit
7) UConn is a northern school (as are all current B1G schools). We won't be at a football recruiting disadvantage based on weather. Our football recruiting disadvantage would be tradition (which, in hoops, we make up for in spades with our impressive tradition)

Some of you may not see some of the points that I have listed as valuable. That is fine as we all have differing opinions. However, I think that UConn fits nicely into the B1G

Serious question, why would the B10 value Rutgers over UConn? Was it the instability shown by UConn at the time? Playing off campus? Some (IMO misguided) POV that Rutgers has the larger athletic impact to NYC? The added value of Rutgers to Philly (also somewhat questionable). At this point (with hindsight of course), I would argue that they made the wrong choice. The timing of that Bball suspension could not have been worse for UConn.

Rutgers is 36 miles from NYC. UConn is 141 miles from NYC.

While Connecticut's fanbase (and alums) are located closer to NYC than the UConn campus, Rutgers still makes for a more convenient place for B1G alums to catch their teams and the mileage difference makes it easier for Rutgers/B1G to claim that Rutgers is NYC's team (even though in hoop UConn does a zillion times better than Rutgers and is equal to Cuse in fan appeal)

Also, it might be easier to convince NYC to add the B1G network via Rutgers vs UConn because of distance, but convenience to fans must have been key as in addition to your points, Rutgers has 12k more seats. However, the Rutgers brand just blows in NYC and is nothing compared to what we saw this weekend. As you can tell, I am very bullish on UConn. Hope they stay however.

Isn't there something in the B10's bylaws that schools added must be in states contiguous with the conference's current footprint? Pennsylvania borders NJ, so it made it possible to get Rutgers. UConn last time I checked hasn't and doesn't border a B10 state, so unless they change their own rules, probably out of luck for an invite there.

No.

They deserve to be in B10 more than Rutgers.

(03-31-2014 02:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:48 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:44 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 01:00 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 12:37 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I see a very low probability of UConn joining either the ACC or Big Ten.

UConn's best bet (and for that matter UC, USF, UCF, and whoever else you want to throw in there) is for the Big 12 to decide to add an eastern wing and go to say 14 schools. I think they'd be a shoe in at that point. Other than that, I think their options are very limited to gain access to the so called "P5" (a terminology that is wrongly applied - if we're going on on the field, then the American is a power conf in 2014)

ACC and B1G are far more likely than the Big 12 for UConn and probably Cincy.

For one, the Big 12 is fine with having one eastern school. The less trips out east they have to make the better. You think they will add an eastern school to the conference to help WVU and hurt the rest of the conference? Think again.

If the ACC wants to add another school for all sports which would give them 16 for basketball, UConn and Cincy would be right in there.

If the B1G wants to expand east again, who do you think they will look at? They have already alluded to a bigger eastern presence.

If either of those conferences should or need to expand, UConn's chances are really quite good.

Big 10 will never happen. UC will never ever join the B10. UConn's chances are low...B10 wants to expand south next into ACC territory, taking, for example GT and UNC, imo. That is if they ever do expand. If the ACC got raided, then you're in. Otherwise, I see no smoke that the ACC is even thinking about going past 14.

Your best immediate bet is to convince the B12 to add an eastern wing for WVU with the likes of UC, and possibly FL schools.

Not disagreeing with you except for the Big 12 part.

If UConn's B1G and ACC chances are low, then the Big 12 is nil.

The Big 12 has no desire expand further east.

As for the B1G moving south? What options do they have? The ACC signed a GOR, nobody leaves the SEC. I don't see many if at all opportunities in the south for them.

Apparently you didn't read the recent article that GOR's are basically a paper tiger and not as iron clad as some would have you to believe.

If Maryland jumped to B10 then someone else from ACC could as well.

I'm not actually expecting it to happen, just that it could, at which a spot would be opened for UConn in ACC.

That article is just an opinion. The GOR came after Maryland decided to leave. Maryland left after to vote on the $50 million exit fee. Breaking a GOR will be much harder.

It's more likely that the ACC will decide to add another school to give them 16 for basketball. But I think that most conferences even the non P5 variety have taken an appetite suppressant on expansion.

The chances of the Big 12 are even smaller.

I doubt the B1G would rule out UConn due to the contiguous state thing. Connecticut is less than 30 miles by car from New Jersey (and even fewer miles than that as the crow flies). If you look at a map, it is barely noticeable that the two states don't touch.

http://www.adirondack.net/maps/regionmap...cities.gif

The contiguous state thing has already been shot out the window by many realignment experts. It's an old antiquated bylaw.

You think if Texas said they wanted in the B1G that the B1G would actually adhere to that.

(03-31-2014 11:07 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  UConn fits perfectly but they aren't a school that you expand for.

That's a good point. If UConn were in the ACC right now, nobody in the ACC would be saying "damn, how did we get stuck with UConn? How can we get rid of them"? As you say, they would fit fine.

But it is also true that they don't bring enough to the table to expand for. They don't bring additional media value.

I guess that is why I started the thread to some degree, didn't this weekend show that they do have a brand that can have a real impact in the largest market in the world?

I don't think it was a surprise to anyone that UConn fans packed MSG. I doubt they get any extra credit for that from the ACC or anyone else.

(03-31-2014 11:21 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:16 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:07 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 10:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  UConn fits perfectly but they aren't a school that you expand for.

That's a good point. If UConn were in the ACC right now, nobody in the ACC would be saying "damn, how did we get stuck with UConn? How can we get rid of them"? As you say, they would fit fine.

But it is also true that they don't bring enough to the table to expand for. They don't bring additional media value.

I guess that is why I started the thread to some degree, didn't this weekend show that they do have a brand that can have a real impact in the largest market in the world? I mean Rutgers got moved to the B10 on the chance that they can grow and make a real impact in NYC, Uconn is already there.

Did the ACC "need" to add Louisville?

Incredible that you graduated from Tulane. That's not why Rutgers was offered B1G membership at all. Rutgers doesn't have to "grow" a bit and the B1G would still be getting exactly what they invited them for.

The potshots regarding where someone went to school is indicative of some real immaturity issues. I really have no clue what your complaints are accomplishing other than perhaps adhering to your miserable ego.

"The strategy is about television. Mr. Delany does not expect New Yorkers to start following Rutgers football the way they follow the Giants or the Yankees, but the Big Ten alums spread throughout the New York region are likely to pay attention when Michigan and Ohio State show up"

You are more credible than the NY times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/busine....html?_r=0

That's Homer for ya.

(03-31-2014 10:02 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Completely useless post. None are flagships, none carry their market or have a big impact in a huge market and none have had the success of UConn or their brand. Next.....

This thread that you started is what is useless.
Between this nonsense and savacool (who, btw, is not a Tulane fan)....

I could see Kansas and uconn to the big 10

UConn would have to be a tag along with another school in order to move up, they just don't attract enough to be called up on their own. The ACC already is lauded as a powerhouse basketball league, they don't need to go out of their way to add another and same goes essentially for the Big 10. The reason Louisville was added was because of their football success or else they would be in the same boat as UConn. If UConn can build up football it will make their path easier, right now the Big 12, Big 10 and ACC are not too concerned with where they sit basketball wise so it is football essential in those leagues right now, but if there is an uneven amount of teams with a football add on I could see UConn being scooped up as a pair.

realignment board.

The ACC couldn't really add UConn now, because their league already has the lowest payouts in major college conferences. Add UConn or anyone else other than ND, and the money is split by another member and they fall even further behind.

For the Big Ten UConn would be possible because they are getting a new tier one contract that will bring lots of money into the conference, and UConn would bring another territory to possibly get BTN on a low tier, perhaps even helping in the NYC cable market which UConn is certainly a part of. The question then would be if the Big Ten thinks they need more of an inroads into the NYC market. CT doubtfully fits their idea of new recruiting territory since lots of recruits don't come out of the territory.

(03-31-2014 01:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think that the Big 12 would be a travel nightmare for UConn. As for the ACC, I agree with what has been said. UConn is a threat to BC and Syracuse recruiting, so those schools want to marginalize us. Also, as has been stated, schools like FSU and Clemson don't want more northerners. So, as a UConn fan, I am over the ACC.

UConn's best bet is the B1G. At this point, I actually think it is a better fit that the ACC:
1) UConn wants to be AAU regardless of conference affiliation. The focus on being a top research university fits what both UConn wants and the B1G wants (as AAU membership is mandatory in the B1G)
2) all conferences (A10, Big East, ACC, B1G) are now setting their sights on NYC and talking about playing their conference bball tournaments in NYC. UConn gets the B1G the two schools (UConn, Rutgers) that are geographically closest to NYC. It marginalizes the ACC's claim to NYC (as BC and Cuse are more than 200 miles from NYC and the other two closest ACC schools are between 350 and 400 miles)
3) The B1G gets to plant their flag in New England to benefit the B1G network. UConn has shown that is has a large presence in New York and UConn is also close to Boston. Plus, the Hartford-New Haven television market is the largest television market in the country without a pro sports team. Having the B1G dominate that market in sports broadcasting would be a plus for the B1G's coffers
4) There are tons of B1G alums (Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, etc.) in NYC and Boston that would love to have a New England school nearby where they could see their teams play
5) The B1G only has 6 hockey teams at the moment. UConn is the only target that can help them expand the league in hockey (Cuse doesn't have hockey and the BC doesn't fit the B1G profile as they are non-AAU and a private school (yes, I am aware that Northwestern is private). Getting B1G hockey into New England would be huge for the B1G Network as New England has so many great recruits (and having the B1G land them instead of Hockey East would help the B1G (yes, I am aware that "football drives the bus", not hockey)
6) UConn men's bball has been one of the top few teams of the last 20 years and the UConn women are in a league of their own. That helps to counter the ACC's newest additions a bit
7) UConn is a northern school (as are all current B1G schools). We won't be at a football recruiting disadvantage based on weather. Our football recruiting disadvantage would be tradition (which, in hoops, we make up for in spades with our impressive tradition)

Some of you may not see some of the points that I have listed as valuable. That is fine as we all have differing opinions. However, I think that UConn fits nicely into the B1G

well call Buffalo and head on over. Bring New York State to the mix!