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RE: "Student Athletes" are really "Employee Athletes" with a right to unionize
All athletic scholarships might go bye bye. The will employee football players and basketball players. title 9 is a huge issue in calling them student athletes. scholarships for non revenue sports might stop
03-27-2014 09:54 AM
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RE: "Student Athletes" are really "Employee Athletes" with a right to unionize
Once the athletes see the difference between unionizing and coming up with a different solution, most will go for the latter. They won't want to pay taxes on their scholarship. Plus the powers of college sports won't let this happen. Hell, I'm sure the NFL will gladly help out to make sure it doesn't happen either. They benefit immensely with the given setup.

Full scholarships, small stipend, players have rights to their names. That's what it will most likely come down to
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(03-26-2014 08:13 PM)Kevin S Wrote:  This ruling may quite have the opposite effect. Just wait until all of these player employees start receiving W2's or 1099's. A Northwestern education with room/board and athlete perks is very expensive and would probably put them into a minimum 25% tax bracket.

Well, Northwestern football made about $7MM/year in profits between 2003 and 2012, which comes out to about $82,000 per scholarship player, although I'd wager that number got progressively higher and by now is closer to $100k due to the explosion in BTN revenue. Their current scholarships cover $59k in tuition plus maybe $10k in room and board. So yeah, I'm not sure they'd want to pay the taxes that come with a piece of that. They'd be able to do local endorsements and such, and that prospect may entice some of the better players, but overall it could be a hard sell when they're presented the full picture.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/2...exploited#

Another obstacle might be that the athletes in non revenue producing sports will vote against forming a union. Unionization is decided on a shop by shop basis and these guys might want to see a cut of the profits pulled in by football and basketball players, or they might fear their sports getting cut to pay for football and basketball. So Northwestern might not even unionize after winning this ruling.

Anyway, this may all fall apart if the NLRB national directors overturn this, or the judges in the 7th circuit or DC circuit do so. All we have now is a regional director's decision.
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RE: "Student Athletes" are really "Employee Athletes" with a right to unionize
NIU football lost about 2mil last year. There is no profit to be paid out. Their scholarship is the compensation. Maybe we can bump up the pay with that $2k per year or semester (dont remember) but that would be about it.
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(03-27-2014 10:05 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Once the athletes see the difference between unionizing and coming up with a different solution, most will go for the latter. They won't want to pay taxes on their scholarship. Plus the powers of college sports won't let this happen. Hell, I'm sure the NFL will gladly help out to make sure it doesn't happen either. They benefit immensely with the given setup.

Full scholarships, small stipend, players have rights to their names. That's what it will most likely come down to
NU cannot make unilateral changes to working conditions for the purpose of keeping a union out at this point. The time to do that was before the indication of interest in a union.
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(03-27-2014 10:56 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  
(03-27-2014 10:05 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Once the athletes see the difference between unionizing and coming up with a different solution, most will go for the latter. They won't want to pay taxes on their scholarship. Plus the powers of college sports won't let this happen. Hell, I'm sure the NFL will gladly help out to make sure it doesn't happen either. They benefit immensely with the given setup.

Full scholarships, small stipend, players have rights to their names. That's what it will most likely come down to
NU cannot make unilateral changes to working conditions for the purpose of keeping a union out at this point. The time to do that was before the indication of interest in a union.

I'm taking about all colleges. This NU thing won't be solved anytime soon. Courts are pretty slow
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RE: "Student Athletes" are really "Employee Athletes" with a right to unionize
They can't make scholarships taxable unless congress makes a change in laws or IRS adds a new regulation..both are very slim/rare chance of happening..

Medical is a big issue here, so is a trust fund for kids to actually graduate college.
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RE: "Student Athletes" are really "Employee Athletes" with a right to unionize
No athlete is forced at gun point to sign to play football. If any player does not realize the commitment going in then they are too dumb for college. Kane Coulter could have told Fitzgerald that he would only accept the scholarship if academics come first.

Having said that, the NCAA and BCS schools realize what a cash cow they have and do everthing to protect it. Why can't athletes get money from alumni? Reason, because the school loses control and then money does not come into the program but goes directly to the athlete(of course not taking into account the gambling issues)
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(03-27-2014 01:28 PM)cartershaw Wrote:  They can't make scholarships taxable unless congress makes a change in laws or IRS adds a new regulation..both are very slim/rare chance of happening..

Medical is a big issue here, so is a trust fund for kids to actually graduate college.

Federal tax law makes scholarships non-taxable. However, the portion of scholarships directly tied to service to the school is taxable as income.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p970.pdf

I would think this would make it taxable under current law.
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I'm not going to read that IRS document, but aren't athletic scholarships technically grants of assistance or something like that?
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Universities could always drop scholarships and make Mom and Dad foot the kids bill. How many parents are going to pay 200+ grand for junior to play football at Northwestern? Better yet how many can afford it? And those kids who come in from out of state? Brutal to even think about how much it costs. My cousin goes to Purdue for Nursing and her parents are paying like 40k a year for that and she has some scholarship money.... The money gets out of control real quick. This is such a complex issue and so many factors it'll be a long slow process before anything changes.
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(03-27-2014 04:37 PM)armour248 Wrote:  I'm not going to read that IRS document, but aren't athletic scholarships technically grants of assistance or something like that?

You only need to read pages 4-6 really. No, they are considered scholarships. However much of your scholarship that is payment for service to the institution is taxable. If a graduate student gets a $3k scholarship, but it requires him to teach part time and $1k is compensation for that, that $1k is taxable. For whatever reason athletic scholarships weren't taxable before, but if the scholarship going forward is to be compensation for an employee, I think it has to then be "service" and taxable going forward, at least in part.
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(03-26-2014 04:07 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  NU QB Kain Colter-- incredibly impressive win!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/c...4823.story

This continues an all too disappointing and possibly tragic end for college athletics. If people want to watch professional sports, they will watch professional sports, not amateurs transforming illegitimately into professionals. On the bright side, Colter is a hated man with NU now, maybe that creates some division amongst the team for the game this fall!
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(03-28-2014 11:33 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 04:07 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  NU QB Kain Colter-- incredibly impressive win!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/c...4823.story

This continues an all too disappointing and possibly tragic end for college athletics. If people want to watch professional sports, they will watch professional sports, not amateurs transforming illegitimately into professionals. On the bright side, Colter is a hated man with NU now, maybe that creates some division amongst the team for the game this fall!

if an NU athlete is unionized and considered an employee, wouldn't his $62,000 scholarship be taxable income
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(03-28-2014 11:33 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 04:07 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  NU QB Kain Colter-- incredibly impressive win!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/c...4823.story

This continues an all too disappointing and possibly tragic end for college athletics. If people want to watch professional sports, they will watch professional sports, not amateurs transforming illegitimately into professionals. On the bright side, Colter is a hated man with NU now, maybe that creates some division amongst the team for the game this fall!

Did he get an extra year of eligibility?
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(03-28-2014 11:33 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 04:07 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  NU QB Kain Colter-- incredibly impressive win!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/c...4823.story

This continues an all too disappointing and possibly tragic end for college athletics. If people want to watch professional sports, they will watch professional sports, not amateurs transforming illegitimately into professionals. On the bright side, Colter is a hated man with NU now, maybe that creates some division amongst the team for the game this fall!

"amateurism" is just the NCAA's way of saying everyone gets to make money off the athletes' abilities but the athletes themselves. It's always been a sham.
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(03-28-2014 11:56 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  
(03-28-2014 11:33 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(03-26-2014 04:07 PM)chihuskie Wrote:  NU QB Kain Colter-- incredibly impressive win!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/c...4823.story

This continues an all too disappointing and possibly tragic end for college athletics. If people want to watch professional sports, they will watch professional sports, not amateurs transforming illegitimately into professionals. On the bright side, Colter is a hated man with NU now, maybe that creates some division amongst the team for the game this fall!

Did he get an extra year of eligibility?

Not that I know of. You have to imagine though there are some pretty deep divisions developing between players which backed Colter and the administration, that can only be a good thing
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(03-28-2014 07:20 AM)UnknownScout Wrote:  Universities could always drop scholarships and make Mom and Dad foot the kids bill. How many parents are going to pay 200+ grand for junior to play football at Northwestern? Better yet how many can afford it? And those kids who come in from out of state? Brutal to even think about how much it costs. My cousin goes to Purdue for Nursing and her parents are paying like 40k a year for that and she has some scholarship money.... The money gets out of control real quick. This is such a complex issue and so many factors it'll be a long slow process before anything changes.



D3 rules for all. No more scholarships. Ends the issue right there.
Level playing field for all students, at all schools. Private or state, no differences. Want to play sports? Again, no differences.
Educational scholarships, loans, and grants are available to all.
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