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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 06:41 PM)mikecat Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 05:33 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  
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(03-20-2014 05:20 PM)mikecat Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 05:16 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Mick could coach like John Wooden and it wouldn't make these guys shoot. Just a terrible offensive squad.

his recruits had 6 years to bring in a shooter and still hasn't!!!

We just had a senior class make it through their time at UC by making the NCAA tourny every year. Something is workin'.

Exactly right. I would bet the UC's three wins in four years is roughly the average we had under Huggins after 1996.

By the way Athlon had UC one and done, Xavier out in the first four, and SMU in the NIT. Sometimes preseason picks aren't that off. To be fair, UC was not suppose to win the league.

Mick has done a solid job,but in my opinion I don't see his style of coaching-recruiting leading us to a elite 8-final 4 defense is only going to carry you so far when you consistently go 4 and 5 minute stretches without scoring you are not making deep runs in march.I don't see him changing his style
,every year we hear this is going to be the year he has depth and athletes and we are going to run and press,and half way thru the year we have a team that plays hard and plays great D but can score the basketball,all the board members who missed Huggs IMO mick is a carbon copy.

Is it even possible to coach hitting shots from under the basket? I honestly don't know. If we'd hit even half of those today, we would have won by double digits.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
I seem to recall Huggs have guys practice taking close in shots while a football player would hit them with a big pad. Don't know if that does any good or not.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 08:38 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I seem to recall Huggs have guys practice taking close in shots while a football player would hit them with a big pad. Don't know if that does any good or not.

yup, many coaches adopted that, and I've seen it happen in video of mick's practices as well.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Something is working but it needs to jump a level.

You hit the nail on the head Mark.

It seems in all of these threads I see two distinct factions: a) the people who say we suck and need to fire the coaches and b) the other faction who says that everything is great, Mick is one of the best coaches in the country and people who offer criticism of Mick can rot in hell.

The answer is what you posted. There are positive trends but we can't keep doing the same thing year after year and expect to get different results.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Something is working but it needs to jump a level.

Something is working but we want it to jump a level. Fine line between need and want. Worry is the class graduating next year will not be able to say the same as this group of seniors.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 09:11 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Something is working but it needs to jump a level.

Something is working but we want it to jump a level. Fine line between need and want. Worry is the class graduating next year will not be able to say the same as this group of seniors.

Cats might take a step back next season but the future looks very bright. I think they take a summer trip which should help them a ton. Need to find new leaders.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 05:33 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 05:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 05:20 PM)mikecat Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 05:16 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Mick could coach like John Wooden and it wouldn't make these guys shoot. Just a terrible offensive squad.

his recruits had 6 years to bring in a shooter and still hasn't!!!

We just had a senior class make it through their time at UC by making the NCAA tourny every year. Something is workin'.

Exactly right. I would bet the UC's three wins in four years is roughly the average we had under Huggins after 1996.

By the way Athlon had UC one and done, Xavier out in the first four, and SMU in the NIT. Sometimes preseason picks aren't that off. To be fair, UC was not suppose to win the league.

Close but not quite. From 1996-2005 there was only one season were the Bearcats went one and done. We had a bunch of seasons were we were knocked out in the second round (field of 32). There was a Sweet Sixteen in the group. Team had nine wins in nine years basically.

1996-1997 Second Round
1997-1998 Second Round
1998-1999 Second Round
1999-2000 Second Round
2000-2001 Sweet Sixteen
2001-2002 Second Round
2002-2003 One and Done
2003-2004 Second Round
2004-2005 Second Round


Of course, Huggins had a Final Four and Two Elite Eights from the five years that proceeded this time frame to keep the critics completely off his back.
 
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http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/spo...f_the.html

Not that it matters to the outcome of the game but the change in recruiting and scholarships for athletes at Harvard is interesting. It is probably partially to credit for their past couple of years success.

They have changed their standards for recruiting basketball players. At the same time Amaker came on board, Harvard switched to a tuition/R&B policy that is based on family income, so athletes as well as the general student body can go to harvard for free (family come under $60K) or seriously reduced rates (for family income up to $120K).

These are not your father's super brainy, paying their own way "Student Athletes." Still smart guys but the requirements have been lowered.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 09:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/spo...f_the.html

Not that it matters to the outcome of the game but the change in recruiting and scholarships for athletes at Harvard is interesting. It is probably partially to credit for their past couple of years success.

They have changed their standards for recruiting basketball players. At the same time Amaker came on board, Harvard switched to a tuition/R&B policy that is based on family income, so athletes as well as the general student body can go to harvard for free (family come under $60K) or seriously reduced rates (for family income up to $120K).

These are not your father's super brainy, paying their own way "Student Athletes." Still smart guys but the requirements have been lowered.

I think they mentioned that one of their guards was a Parade All American from Los Angeles. Another one played HS with JJ. They were a little undersized, but those guys were not a bunch of ham and eggers.
 
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Regardless of all of the other things that went wrong in that game (e.g., poor defense, missing 2 footers, etc.), the bottom line is that if SK takes 20 shots instead of a paltry 13 they win. End of story.

Not sure why, but the All-American played very very passive in both the UConn conference tourney game and then again today. He was truly their only actual threat to consistently score. If I'm Mick I'm telling him before EVERY game that if he doesn't hunt down 20 shots for himself then he is letting the team down. Hoard tweeted something out after the game about he only took 13 shots because he was getting layups for his teammates, but they just didn't make them. Those guys proved ALL season that they couldn't make layups so why pass in an elimination game as a senior.

Again, they lost by 4. If SK takes just 7 more shots he likely makes 2 or 3 of them and gets to the foul line a couple more times - they win going away. Very frustrating.
 
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(03-20-2014 10:28 PM)JJIndy Wrote:  Regardless of all of the other things that went wrong in that game (e.g., poor defense, missing 2 footers, etc.), the bottom line is that if SK takes 20 shots instead of a paltry 13 they win. End of story.

Not sure why, but the All-American played very very passive in both the UConn conference tourney game and then again today. He was truly their only actual threat to consistently score. If I'm Mick I'm telling him before EVERY game that if he doesn't hunt down 20 shots for himself then he is letting the team down. Hoard tweeted something out after the game about he only took 13 shots because he was getting layups for his teammates, but they just didn't make them. Those guys proved ALL season that they couldn't make layups so why pass in an elimination game as a senior.

Again, they lost by 4. If SK takes just 7 more shots he likely makes 2 or 3 of them and gets to the foul line a couple more times - they win going away. Very frustrating.

Agreed. He was far too unselfish and passive in the last two. Don't get me wrong. Love SK and he was awesome. But part of the reason we had guys like Titus missing shot is because SK wasn't forcing it to the rack. In the big games we won, he'd start mixing it a lot of drives and he'd either shore, get to the line or get it to the glass and attract enough D to where the bigs could crash the miss. Hard to blame a kid who was everything to this team, but he just dropped a gear and didn't force the issue these last two games. The team played with no sense of urgency you'd expect of a team with three starters playing their last game.
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
SK played a ton of minutes, UC trapped a ton, they ran a ton. If JJ and Rubs drop some of their bunnies then SK
would have a much easier time finding shots. Again the plan to play a trap against Harvard was a bad plan. Mick had
to alter his plan against an Ivy League team, and Harvard just ran through it and ran their offense. UC should not have
to alter the game plan against Harvard, it should be the other way. UC was a step late getting steals all day long
in the trap. Louisville would have forced 30 turnovers against Harvard.
 
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(03-20-2014 04:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Am I happy about today? No. (Sub and BJ will tell you I am usually "not happy" but that's another story...)

But seriously, it's been a great season.

This is why they play the games. You don't come out and just get a trophy handed to you for showing up.

Harvard beat us. They BEAT us. Live with it.

This is basketball... Two teams play, one team wins and one team loses. Every. Single. Time.

I can live with it. Some of you ought to figure out a way to live with it too... You don't fire your coach over things like this. It is what it is. Deal with it and move on.

But,

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Just a little attempted levity. Seriously, I'm with you Jerry (and a few other rational posters). Overall it was a very good year by a team that pretty much maxed out its potential for the year (as opposed to any single game including today's). It was a disappointing end as I thought we had at least one more win in us, but it ends with disappointment for almost every team. I'm thankful to the players for the effort this year and to our coach for helping them achieve all that they did. Of course there will be ups and downs, but I see a lot more of the former in our future. 04-cheers
 
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(03-20-2014 07:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 07:02 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  
(03-20-2014 06:34 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  im mad

I blame your sig for the loss.

It was was a risky move Coop....alas I chose poorly.

To my Bearcat brethren I must take blame....

Yet, this "poor choice of a sig" is still there 03-nerner

Jerry, seriously, Sub and I called you unhappy, probably 3-4 months ago. Time to move on, eh? 03-lmfao
 
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RE: Round of 64: UC vs Harvard
(03-20-2014 10:28 PM)JJIndy Wrote:  Regardless of all of the other things that went wrong in that game (e.g., poor defense, missing 2 footers, etc.), the bottom line is that if SK takes 20 shots instead of a paltry 13 they win. End of story.

Not sure why, but the All-American played very very passive in both the UConn conference tourney game and then again today. He was truly their only actual threat to consistently score. If I'm Mick I'm telling him before EVERY game that if he doesn't hunt down 20 shots for himself then he is letting the team down. Hoard tweeted something out after the game about he only took 13 shots because he was getting layups for his teammates, but they just didn't make them. Those guys proved ALL season that they couldn't make layups so why pass in an elimination game as a senior.

Again, they lost by 4. If SK takes just 7 more shots he likely makes 2 or 3 of them and gets to the foul line a couple more times - they win going away. Very frustrating.

One of his shots came when the game was essentially over, too. And he only got to the free throw line twice. When they'd cut it to one with under 3:00 left with the ball, Kevin Johnson, who got bit minutes most of the year, took a 3. Kilpatrick could have shot a dozen free throws this game had he been more aggressive. Tough way for him to end his career.
 
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