(03-20-2014 01:03 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Yes it rains in El Paso, 8 inches a year. With UTEP probably looking at it's 9th straight losing season, you may have a chance, a slim chance, but still a chance

Good lord you act like you draw like your big brother (UT).

There are attendance tiers and as it stands right now we are both on the same boat averaging between 25-35k.

So you might want to get outside of that glass house before stones start getting cast.

(03-20-2014 01:53 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 01:03 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Yes it rains in El Paso, 8 inches a year. With UTEP probably looking at it's 9th straight losing season, you may have a chance, a slim chance, but still a chance

Good lord you act like you draw like your big brother (UT).

There are attendance tiers and as it stands right now we are both on the same boat averaging between 25-35k.

So you might want to get outside of that glass house before stones start getting cast.

The only difference is when UTEP wins we average over 40k with one season being close to 50k (keep in mind that was in 8 win seasons), when they lose, the average goes between 24k-28k (typically a 2 win season like last year). When Houston wins your average is around 32k, when you lose, it goes to the teens like it was last decade. If UTEP had the same football record Houston has since 2005, we would be talking about expanding the Sun Bowl to 60k.

Each school has its strength and weaknesses (like every other school out there) so I don't know why we're arguing attendance numbers for UTEP and Houston.

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  When Houston wins your average is around 32k, when you lose, it goes to the teens like it was last decade.

First off its been YEARS since our attendance was in teens.

Second, capacity at Robertson was 32k so that argument is moot as well.

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Each school has its strength and weaknesses (like every other school out there) so I don't know why we're arguing attendance numbers for UTEP and Houston.

On this we can agree. It’s not a real factor. If butts in the seats were all that mattered you win in basketball hands down and hold your own in football.

The difference is (and I am in agreement with you so no slamming here) we were invited to the Big East/AAC and not UTEP.

Why can be debated but it was not because of any attendance metric between you and us.

Randy just lets his homer out when it comes to UH. Ask around I am a homer/fan but I am as pragmatic as is possible on this topic.

(03-20-2014 02:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  When Houston wins your average is around 32k, when you lose, it goes to the teens like it was last decade.

First off its been YEARS since our attendance was in teens.

Second, capacity at Robertson was 32k so that argument is moot as well.

Houston averaged 15k back in 2002. Granted that was almost 12 years ago but it's not ancient history either. The last time UTEP averaged less than 20k was back in 1984 which was 19k. The closest it has been was in 2003 when UTEP averaged 20k in a 2 win season and lost the home opener against Div I-AA (as it was known back then) Cal Poly. That was the year Gary Nord was fired and Mike Price was given a second chance after the Alabama fiasco.

(03-20-2014 02:41 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  When Houston wins your average is around 32k, when you lose, it goes to the teens like it was last decade.

First off its been YEARS since our attendance was in teens.

Second, capacity at Robertson was 32k so that argument is moot as well.

Houston averaged 15k back in 2002. Granted that was almost 12 years ago but it's not ancient history either. The last time UTEP averaged less than 20k was back in 1984 which was 19k. The closest it has been was in 2003 when UTEP averaged 20k in a 2 win season and lost the home opener against Div I-AA (as it was known back then) Cal Poly. That was the year Gary Nord was fired and Mike Price was given a second chance after the Alabama fiasco.

Congrats on your fanbase. I'll take the wins.

(03-20-2014 02:21 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Each school has its strength and weaknesses (like every other school out there) so I don't know why we're arguing attendance numbers for UTEP and Houston.

On this we can agree. It’s not a real factor. If butts in the seats were all that mattered you win in basketball hands down and hold your own in football.

The difference is (and I am in agreement with you so no slamming here) we were invited to the Big East/AAC and not UTEP.

Why can be debated but it was not because of any attendance metric between you and us.

Randy just lets his homer out when it comes to UH. Ask around I am a homer/fan but I am as pragmatic as is possible on this topic.

Does it really matter attendance wise if you're in the AAC or C-USA. Literally the only thing Houston did is rejoin C-USA 1.0 + UConn and Temple. It's still a better upgrade over C-USA 3.0 and I don't blame your school for taking the chance in joining a Big East conference that still had the AQ and the C-7. As for UTEP, I would rather be in the MWC with like minded institutions especially in basketball which is an upgrade compared to where we are now. But even then if we stay in C-USA for the long run, I'm still happy and I really hope UTEP starts winning in football and basketball goes to the next level in order to help the league. Right now we're part of the problem, not the solution. As for attendance if winning attendance trophies meant something we would be in a P5 league but what really matters is what you do on the field and court and we haven't delivered.

(03-20-2014 02:43 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:41 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  When Houston wins your average is around 32k, when you lose, it goes to the teens like it was last decade.

First off its been YEARS since our attendance was in teens.

Second, capacity at Robertson was 32k so that argument is moot as well.

Houston averaged 15k back in 2002. Granted that was almost 12 years ago but it's not ancient history either. The last time UTEP averaged less than 20k was back in 1984 which was 19k. The closest it has been was in 2003 when UTEP averaged 20k in a 2 win season and lost the home opener against Div I-AA (as it was known back then) Cal Poly. That was the year Gary Nord was fired and Mike Price was given a second chance after the Alabama fiasco.

Congrats on your fanbase. I'll take the wins.

I'll take your wins in football too (well if I'm allowed to dream I would rather take Boise's). Basketball? Thanks but no thanks.

(03-20-2014 02:41 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:17 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(03-20-2014 02:02 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  When Houston wins your average is around 32k, when you lose, it goes to the teens like it was last decade.

First off its been YEARS since our attendance was in teens.

Second, capacity at Robertson was 32k so that argument is moot as well.

Houston averaged 15k back in 2002. Granted that was almost 12 years ago but it's not ancient history either. The last time UTEP averaged less than 20k was back in 1984 which was 19k. The closest it has been was in 2003 when UTEP averaged 20k in a 2 win season and lost the home opener against Div I-AA (as it was known back then) Cal Poly. That was the year Gary Nord was fired and Mike Price was given a second chance after the Alabama fiasco.

Yes, but 12 years ago might as well be ancient history the way things go now. It’s what have you done for me lately not 12 years ago.

You might want to note that was the season after our first (and only) winless season in program history (0-11 in 2001).

I said you guys do fine with the butts in seats you just are not the juggernaut you think you are.

You haven’t cracked 30k yourself since 2008 but I don't think that is an accurate representation of UTEP. Just as much as 2002 means nothing to us or anyone who would be making actual decisions on this topic.

(03-20-2014 02:45 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  As for UTEP, I would rather be in the MWC with like minded institutions especially in basketball which is an upgrade compared to where we are now.

I agree completely.

Most of your largest draws are in that league. If New Mexico State was in there it’s a no brainer for you.

It makes more sense for you to be in the MWC. Hope you get a spot and leave the sinking CUSA ship.

Ok, this thread is a train wreck now. Time to lock it up