(03-17-2014 07:06 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Here is my honest opinion. There is definitely a fraction of the fan base that would not be happy if we were 40-0 and our players made up every All American position possible. However, that part of the fan base is so infinitely small it is ridiculous to a.) listen to or consider their opinion b.) be upset by their opinion c.) ever address their opinion. This is a situation where JP has to learn to be a little more thick skinned and stop feeling a need to listen to and respond to absolutely everyone. I have been critical of the team and JP after some of our bad losses but also praised both after good wins. Also IMO, if he wants to be at a place he will never be criticized at then he should have left for USC where basketball is an absolute after thought, and a place where mediocrity is perfectly acceptable. Lastly, if the last game you coached involved your team on the wrong end of a 19 point blow out on your home court and conference tournament and losing to the same team for the third time in one year, it is probably best to remain silent and not the best time to be complaining about fans and their expectations... If the game had gone the other way, then maybe it would be okay to address those complaining but not after the latest showing.

Nice post

(03-17-2014 07:25 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  He if wants to not have fans being critical, then either:

a) win some tournament games

b) take the Auburn job

Regardless of A people are going to moan and groan from time to time because they care.

I think Josh would do well at B and his life may be a lot more enjoyable. You've got to have very thick skin for the Memphis job and I think Josh's is wearing a little thin.


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He needs to shut up and coach.

He's right.

These comments are disappointing from Pastner. It does appear the pressure of being a high paid coach are starting to take its toll on Josh. I can only imagine having ever decision I make being analyzed, scrutinized, and questioned, but I can also only imagine making $2M+ a year.

I like the things that Josh stands for and his comportment, but unfortunately college basketball is about wins and losses.

I do think we as Memphis fans are in a sort of limbo, with Josh performing well enough to show a glimpse of potential greatness, but leaving us eventually unsatisfied at the end of the year.

Perhaps this tournament will be different, but I think we will be in the same spot come next year.

I'm not very often negative about our team but the way the team played against UCONN would make most of the most positive fans very disappointed. I don't target JP as much as some obviously do because JP wasn't on the court giving up wide open 3 after wide open 3. JP wasn't throwing wild passes away or throwing passes into a well defended post. JP also wasn't missing 40-50% of the team FTs. I don't think our schemes offensively or defensively are best suited for the talent we have & in general I don't like an offense that puts players getting the ball while moving away from the goal & out of position for offense. I think such offensive schemes encourage 1 on 1 freestyle play instead of offense off the sets. So schemes on offense & defense, yes the coaches have a lot to do with that, discipline, yes the coaches have a lot to do with that while effort, TOs and making shots are on the players most times. When it's all said and done the players & the coaches together should be producing a much better product when it counts most, given the level of talent & experience.

Scheduling so many OOC cupcakes, that is totally on JP & the AD....and they should be doing much better in that area.

As an avid hiker, I am offended by these comments.

(03-17-2014 07:56 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 07:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm not very often negative about our team but the way the team played against UCONN would make most of the most positive fans very disappointed. I don't target JP as much as some obviously do because JP wasn't on the court giving up wide open 3 after wide open 3. JP wasn't throwing wild passes away or throwing passes into a well defended post. JP also wasn't missing 40-50% of the team FTs. I don't think our schemes offensively or defensively are best suited for the talent we have & in general I don't like offenses that puts players getting the ball while moving away from the goal & out of position for offense. I think such offensive schemes encourage 1 on 1 freestyle play instead of offense off the sets. So schemes on offense & defense, yes the coaches have a lot to do with that, discipline, yes the coaches have a lot to do with that while effort, TOs and making shots are on the players most times. When it's all said and done the players & the coaches together should be producing a much better product when it counts most, given the level of talent & experience.

Scheduling so many OOC cupcakes, that is totally on JP & the AD....and they should be doing much better in that area.

If we were still in C-USA, I'd agree.

All Pastner etc. did this year was the same thing other power conference teams do every year... get a few good OOC wins and then fatten up on cupcakes in anticipation of a brutal conference slate.

Works for Texas, Stanford, Syracuse, etc. Syracuse, for instance, has a 63 SOS whereas our was 45. They were not penalized.

Not really, given the low RPI & SOS of our league's lower half, we have to schedule a little tougher OOC if we want to give the selection committee no excuses on the tourney seeds. Playing a little tougher OOC early would also help expose our weaknesses, give the coaches a better opportunity/more time to make corrections & would certainly please this fan when he buys tickets. But sure, you can find several inconsistencies among higher seeds, no doubt the ACC gets preference, the SEC is a joke & still gets 3 teams in but all the more reason we need to give the committee no excuses for their decisions. Instead of scheduling RPI teams at 200+, scheduling teams in the 100-150 range should help a great deal.

Manufactured drama by the CA...Calkins has been ginning this up for a couple of weeks.

(03-17-2014 12:34 AM)cardfan500 Wrote:  I've been a Tiger fan longer than Josh has been alive, and I honestly can't remember ever feeling this negatively toward any coach of any sport at the University. I just flat out don't think the guy has the gravitas to get it done-not at this level. But please, prove me wrong.

That sums it up perfectly for me. Great post.

There are a lot of negative nellies in this town. These people are only happy when the Tigers struggle. I hear it everyday. You know, things could be worse. I, for one, enjoy watching the Tigers in the NCAA tournament every year.

(03-16-2014 11:05 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Nice reference to Calipari ... that inclusion should help the message.

"There’s a minority of fans that if we go 40-0 are going to find default in us and myself, and that’s just the way it is,” said Pastner. “Those people can take a hike as far as I’m concerned. Those are the Negative Nellies ... or as Coach Calipari used to call them, ‘The Miserables.’ Those are the Negative Nellies. That’s kind of where we’re at.”

The Truth hurts.

(03-17-2014 08:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 12:34 AM)cardfan500 Wrote:  I've been a Tiger fan longer than Josh has been alive, and I honestly can't remember ever feeling this negatively toward any coach of any sport at the University. I just flat out don't think the guy has the gravitas to get it done-not at this level. But please, prove me wrong.

That sums it up perfectly for me. Great post.

Nuff said. It's an envious, social justice issue. Don't pretend otherwise.

(03-17-2014 08:26 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  There are a lot of negative nellies in this town. These people are only happy when the Tigers struggle. I hear it everyday. You know, things could be worse. I, for one, enjoy being in the NCAA tournament every year.

Good. Me too. I'd like to see us play longer in it.

(03-17-2014 12:34 AM)cardfan500 Wrote:  I've been a Tiger fan longer than Josh has been alive, and I honestly can't remember ever feeling this negatively toward any coach of any sport at the University. I just flat out don't think the guy has the gravitas to get it done-not at this level. But please, prove me wrong.

He just finished the season ranked 19th in the nation and was a lock, EVEN AFTER a stinker vs UConn, for the NCAA tourney.

How is that "not getting it done"?

(03-17-2014 08:27 AM)uofmbrad Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 12:34 AM)cardfan500 Wrote:  I've been a Tiger fan longer than Josh has been alive, and I honestly can't remember ever feeling this negatively toward any coach of any sport at the University. I just flat out don't think the guy has the gravitas to get it done-not at this level. But please, prove me wrong.

He just finished the season ranked 19th in the nation and was a lock, EVEN AFTER a stinker vs UConn, for the NCAA tourney.

How is that "not getting it done"?

Smh

Memphis fans are MILD compared to many power conference team fan bases.

Maybe the coach should build an NCAA tournament resume first and THEN tell fans to 'take a hike'?

A couple of things that strike me from reading these posts:
1) I don't believe these "40-0" miserables exist. Idk, maybe they do, but I've never met them. There are people that believe the moon landing never happened or that you can take a pill to make your @##$ bigger, so maybe they are out there, but I honestly believe this is a straw man that Cal and now Josh trot out to bring derision on anyone that dares to question anything about the program.
2) The reason that there hasn't been MORE criticism after 5 years is that most people, myself included, is that Josh has had good will from most fans due to a clean program, minimal off-court issues, and Josh being a nice guy and great rep for the program. Continuing to make comments like these will begin to erode that good will.
3) At the end of the day, all he has to do is win. If the team wins a couple of games this year, no rationale person can be upset. But at some point, given the level of commitment the admin, fans, and city show this program, he's going to be held accountable like every other coach in America.
I just wish those fans that are so quick to attack those that question Pastner would let us know at what point it would be ok to expect Josh to take a team into the second weekend of the tournament.
Serious question-when? To be fair, you can't expect him to beat UVA this year, and let's say we are one and done next year. Would it be ok- in year 7- to then say "Josh needs to get to the second weekend or his seat may become hot"?

(03-17-2014 08:29 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 08:27 AM)uofmbrad Wrote:  

(03-17-2014 12:34 AM)cardfan500 Wrote:  I've been a Tiger fan longer than Josh has been alive, and I honestly can't remember ever feeling this negatively toward any coach of any sport at the University. I just flat out don't think the guy has the gravitas to get it done-not at this level. But please, prove me wrong.

He just finished the season ranked 19th in the nation and was a lock, EVEN AFTER a stinker vs UConn, for the NCAA tourney.

How is that "not getting it done"?

Smh

Smh

Call me whatever you want, but languishing in the 8 seed range year after year with a one and out in the tournament is not acceptable.