.. it is PAST TIME for JT III to get the boot. Simply dreadful coaching.

yeah. really think if he had any other last name, he'd be on a really hot seat now. what is it now 7 or 8 straight years where competitive season ended by a double digit seed?

(03-13-2014 11:46 AM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah. really think if he had any other last name, he'd be on a really hot seat now. what is it now 7 or 8 straight years where competitive season ended by a double digit seed?

Seven straight. Since 2008 we have underperformed DRAMATICALLY in tournament play (both conference and NCAA, when we've made the NCAA).

And yeah, that last name is a BIG problem, but we need to bite the bullet on this.

Without commenting on if its justified or not, but realistically, is his seat even warm? Probably provided another delusional reason DU can justify Purnell's job too.

unless boeheim or coach k had sons who coached at cuse/duke I can not imagine how any other coach could survive a 6 year period like the one gtown just had without a serious "hot seat" discussion.

I know I'm repeating this from about a year ago, but since the topic came up again...
Just want to point out to those that don't remember and those that weren't born, that Syracuse fans were ready to dump Boeheim after the 86 NCAA's. He had a stretch of 10 years where the Orangemen had talent, but couldn't get over the hump.

77 - lost to UNCC in Sweet 16 game. <-- Max here.
78 - lost to Western Kentucky.
79 - lost to Penn (who made F4 but hadn't been ranked). SU had 4-seed, Penn a 9-seed.
80 - lost to Iowa in Sweet 16 game. <-- SU a 1-seed, Iowa a 5-seed. Iowa was great, got to F4 with Ronnie Lester.
81 - missed NCAA's.
82 - missed NCAA's.
83 - lost to Ohio State in Final 32 game. <-- OSU was solid. SU had a highly-touted senior class which had won the BET at the Carrier Dome in 81, went into 82 with high expectations, and then didn't get traction in 82 or 83... the three seniors were Leo Rautins, Erich Santifer and Tony "Red" Bruin. Complete despair was avoided because of the anticipated arrival in 84 of freshman Pearl Washington.
84 - lost to Virginia in Sweet 16 game. <-- SU had 3-seed to Va's 7-seed... SU had lost BET final in OT to Georgetown, were expected to advance far, but lost to Virginia who made the F4 in 84 after Sampson had graduated.
85 - lost to Georgia Tech. <-- great team with John Salley, Mark Price and Yvon Joseph.
86 - lost to Navy <-- SU had a 2-seed, played at the Carrier Dome, but David Robinson owned Seikaly and Herman Harried... Pearl's last game... also last game for Addison and Alexis. This game was a complete disaster... I can't stress this enough, although memories of this game have been erased like Trotsky from Soviet text books... the selection committee really helped the Orangemen by placing them in the Carrier Dome. The next year I think, Pitt hired Navy's coach Paul Evans (who ended up having anger and control issues, and a gruff personality), whose future bad coaching blew Pitt's golden opportunity to make a possible F4 in the 88 NCAA's (lost to Vandy in OT in Final 32 game).

After the 86 flameout, many SU fans had enough. There were calls for his head. Luckily Boeheim stayed on and in a rebuilding year unexpectedly made the national final. Douglas took over for Pearl, and freshman Derrick Coleman was a force, but Seikaly was still as coordinated as a giraffe on roller skates.

Basically, Syracuse was the mirror image of Villanova back then...

Syracuse in the NCAA's never won a game as a lower seed, but at the same time lost 4 times where they were upset by much lower seeds (79, 80, 84, 86).

Villanova, at the same time, never lost to a lower seed in the NCAA's, and in fact had an amazing number of big upsets... from 78 thru 88, Massimino had won 1 national title (85), and had 4 other years making the Elite-8 (78, 82, 83, 88). Rollie was a genius.

How many coaches take a school to a Final Four and then get fired from that school? It's not many.

Billyjack-
let's compare to what Georgetown has gone thru recently
2014- with a real shot at a tourney spot, lose to #10 DePaul in 1st rd of BET.
2013- lose to #15 seed Florida Gulf Coast
2012- lose to #11 seed NC State 3rd rd
2011- lose to #11 seed VCU
2010- lose to #14 seed Ohio
2009- missed tourney
2008- lost to #10 Davidson 2nd rd

so Syracuse had in those 10 years 4 sweet 16's at least. Georgetown last 7 years has exactly 2 tourney wins. Syracuse was 1 and done only 1 time in those 10 years- and lost to an eventual F4 team 2x. Granted Georgetown 1 time lost to an eventual F4 team in VCU.

My point- if he had any other last name, there would be a good bit of talk about his job status.

johnbragg- I can think of 2 coaches pretty fast- Harrick and Howland from UCLA... Oh and Tubby Smith from Kentucky...

Amazing how Georgetown and Syracuse have done since the Verizon Blowout last year.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330680046

One team made a F4 last year and should be a 2 seed to the NCAAs this year, the other team lost to a 15 seed last year and will be lucky to be a 2 seed to the NIT this year