(03-12-2014 05:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: Toledo fans, take notice-
On March 5th, 2012 Rob Murphy of EMU was named the MAC COTY for leading the Eagles to a 14-17(9-7) record. That evening EMU lost in the first round of the MAC Tournament to a #12 seed NIU team that had won 4 games all year. That season John Groce lead Ohio to a 24-7(11-5) regular season record that included a 12-1 start and votes in the AP poll. Ohio of coarse would go on to a 29-8 record and an appearance in the Sweet 16. Groce received zero votes.
In 4 seasons John Groce was 8-2 in the MAC Tournament with 2 championships and a 3-2 record in the NCAA Tournament and was voted Coach of the Year zero times. The 4 coaches that beat him for COTY were a combined 3-4 in the MAC tournament with 0 championships, 0 NCAA Tournament appearances and a 3-3 record in the NIT.
In other words, these individual awards really don't mean much.
Damn...that's nuts. Yeah when you see that, it doesn't seem to make sense except if you explain it that they really vote on you based on how much better you are as a coach in one year versus the prior year. But still Rob Murphy over Groce? Seriously? At least nobody can argue that Hawkins wasn't deserving of it being MAC regular season champs and all.
I think you are spinning that a bit unfairly.
First, everything that happened after the regular season doesn't count. The votes are in by then.
Second, OOC record really doesn't count either. It's a MAC award.
Third, Murphy turned around a miserable program quickly. EMU was really, really bad before him. You could really make the point the Groce underachieved on the expectations by going 11-5 with that team. EMU was a big, positive story. I understand the argument that Murphy did, with a bad program ,a better coaching job than what Groce did (MAC 3 seed?) with arguably the league's best talent that year.
(03-12-2014 05:32 PM)perimeterpost Wrote: Toledo fans, take notice-
On March 5th, 2012 Rob Murphy of EMU was named the MAC COTY for leading the Eagles to a 14-17(9-7) record. That evening EMU lost in the first round of the MAC Tournament to a #12 seed NIU team that had won 4 games all year. That season John Groce lead Ohio to a 24-7(11-5) regular season record that included a 12-1 start and votes in the AP poll. Ohio of coarse would go on to a 29-8 record and an appearance in the Sweet 16. Groce received zero votes.
In 4 seasons John Groce was 8-2 in the MAC Tournament with 2 championships and a 3-2 record in the NCAA Tournament and was voted Coach of the Year zero times. The 4 coaches that beat him for COTY were a combined 3-4 in the MAC tournament with 0 championships, 0 NCAA Tournament appearances and a 3-3 record in the NIT.
In other words, these individual awards really don't mean much.
Damn...that's nuts. Yeah when you see that, it doesn't seem to make sense except if you explain it that they really vote on you based on how much better you are as a coach in one year versus the prior year. But still Rob Murphy over Groce? Seriously? At least nobody can argue that Hawkins wasn't deserving of it being MAC regular season champs and all.
I think you are spinning that a bit unfairly.
First, everything that happened after the regular season doesn't count. The votes are in by then.
Second, OOC record really doesn't count either. It's a MAC award.
Third, Murphy turned around a miserable program quickly. EMU was really, really bad before him. You could really make the point the Groce underachieved on the expectations by going 11-5 with that team. EMU was a big, positive story. I understand the argument that Murphy did, with a bad program ,a better coaching job than what Groce did (MAC 3 seed?) with arguably the league's best talent that year.
How is it that during the same season (2011-2012), TK and Rob Murphy both turn around programs that were at the bottom of the MAC and Murphy wins COY and TK doesn't get a single vote?
(This post was last modified: 03-13-2014 04:39 PM by RocketBBallFan.)
I think this year was a very hard year to decide COY award. In my eyes TK, Monty and Hawkins were all very deserving of the title. If I had to chose I would have picked them in the following order:
All things considered I still would have went with TK for coach of the year. I have a problem with prognosticators awarding it based on how wrong they were with their pre-season projections.
(This post was last modified: 03-13-2014 05:05 PM by GoBullsGo.)
(03-13-2014 05:04 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote: All things considered I still would have went with TK for coach of the year. I have a problem with prognosticators awarding it based on how wrong they were with their pre-season projections.
(03-13-2014 05:04 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote: All things considered I still would have went with TK for coach of the year. I have a problem with prognosticators awarding it based on how wrong they were with their pre-season projections.
All things considered, at the end of a long and hard fought regular season, the Steve Hawkins lead WMU Bronco's won the regular season championship and will receive the only trophy handed out by the league. So the weight of decision making here appears to be not on pre-season projections but on the reality of the entire regular season.
(03-13-2014 05:04 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote: All things considered I still would have went with TK for coach of the year. I have a problem with prognosticators awarding it based on how wrong they were with their pre-season projections.
All things considered, at the end of a long and hard fought regular season, the Steve Hawkins lead WMU Bronco's won the regular season championship and will receive the only trophy handed out by the league. So the weight of decision making here appears to be not on pre-season projections but on the reality of the entire regular season.
Is that a fair statement? If not, how so?
Won't get into fairness until I can verify the accuracy. Does anyone know if this is accurate? Why would a league that has co-champions only give one team a trophy? The tie breakers are for seeding purposes so it makes no sense to have one trophy for two champions.
(03-13-2014 05:04 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote: All things considered I still would have went with TK for coach of the year. I have a problem with prognosticators awarding it based on how wrong they were with their pre-season projections.
All things considered, at the end of a long and hard fought regular season, the Steve Hawkins lead WMU Bronco's won the regular season championship and will receive the only trophy handed out by the league. So the weight of decision making here appears to be not on pre-season projections but on the reality of the entire regular season.
Is that a fair statement? If not, how so?
Won't get into fairness until I can verify the accuracy. Does anyone know if this is accurate? Why would a league that has co-champions only give one team a trophy? The tie breakers are for seeding purposes so it makes no sense to have one trophy for two champions.
I don't know how accurate that is. Although, the league has one trophy that has a rolling list of names on it, then it would make sense for WMU to get it. If the league gives out a new trophy every year, then I would assume WMU and Toledo both get one. I always like the banners hung up though. Last forever and always visible. Trophies not so much.
