Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

(03-11-2014 08:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 06:29 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 09:52 AM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 09:50 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(03-10-2014 10:02 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL

LOL all you want, but IdahoCajun nailed it. Whatever, I wish the Panthers luck in the SBC tourney and at the Dance, if they're invited.

Seriously? So if USA played the same exact schedule as Georgia State. Had the same exact results. You believe that USA would be in the top 25? And you believe that's because USA might have better name recognition that Georgia State?

Not in the top 25, but way more name recognition. Yes.

No. 23 VCU has the same record as Georgia State. This is what it takes to get in the top 25. Road win at #6 Virginia (ACC champions), Wins over likely NCAA tournament teams Eastern Kentucky, Wofford, George Washington, Dayton (road), #17 St Louis, and a bunch of wins versus good teams like Richmond, Belmont and Old Dominion. Losses at GW, Florida State, Georgetown, Northern Iowa, St Josephs, St Louis, and UMass. Not a bad loss in the bunch.

Meanwhile,

Georgia State lost to Vanderbilt (500 record), Alabama (losing record), Canisius at home. Lost to Elon (meh team), FIU (losing record), USM (good loss), and to Troy (awful loss for a team claiming top 25 status or at large consideration).

Wins by Georgia State over teams projected to make the tournament. Zero. But 2 games against non Division 1 teams.
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No shade meant, but Georgia State would have to finish with 3 or less losses with that schedule to be a lock for at large consideration. It has nothing to do with some perceived notion of Georgia State. It has everything to do with their schedule. Its obvious they have a good team, and its pretty clear the team improved during the year.

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Is it that hard to schedule a couple of MAC, MVC, MWC, A-10 teams, or go to early season tournaments?

And can we dispense with playing Young Harris and Spring Hill, please?

Yes it is
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/georgia-state...edule-out/

Georgia State’s Ron Hunter said putting together this year’s basketball schedule was the most difficult in all of his years of coaching. He said part of the difficulty involved the predictions for this year’s team, boosted by Kentucky transfer Ryan Harrow and the return of four starters, which are pretty strong. Hunter also said he wanted to be careful which teams his team played and where they played.

(03-11-2014 10:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

Then how are you ever going to get an at large bid? That's the issue. Go look at the bubble watch. They, as well as the selection committee look at things like record vs the top 50, and record vs the top 100. The problem with CUSA is that it has 1 top 50 team and 4 top 100 teams (3 sub 85). And the MAC? 3 top 100 teams. You're not likely to get a resume to get an at large team even considered scheduling that.

The problem the Sun Belt has is that most of our teams have putrid RPI's (USA included). The perception of the conference wont change until we start to get at large bids. And we can't get at large bids with schedules that have 2 or 3 top 100 teams.

The Sun Belt isn't the only conference that cannot count on conference play to get quality RPI opponents.

I'm operating under the goal is that we should have multiple bids as the goal. Scheduling as we have isn't consistent with that goal.

(03-11-2014 09:35 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 09:01 PM)Franko Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 04:59 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  You Georgia State fans are now getting to see what we had to put up with when we dominated the conference the last few years. I feel for you guys. You guys were definitely the top program in the Sun Belt this year. Don't let the Western Ky fans bother you with their silly history lessons. That's what they have to go when you beat them like you guys did. They haven't beat us in years so we have heard plenty of that nonsense. Good luck in the tournament!

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You have to go all the way back to 2011-12 the last time MTSU lost to the Toppers. 2 years thats a lot of years.

And congrats to MTSU for narrowing the all time series to 92-37.

Thanks for proving my point for me.

(03-11-2014 09:45 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 01:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 01:46 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 01:43 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  I really doubt if any Coach or Sportswriter voting in the polls looks at your schedule. It's about wins and losses and reputation. Since not many of them know of GaSt. As a basketball powerhouse is why you are not receiving any votes

I promise you not many coaches or sportswriters know who you played this year or are using a formula when voting in the AP are Coaches poll.

Its all about reputation. Good luck! In whatever tournament you are in

This is where I'm not following you. What SBC team is a basketball "powerhouse"? There aren't any. Why are we still having this discussion?

WKU

...in the past


...muck like University of Chicago football

Yes, the last of our 7 Sweet Sixteens was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away known as 2008.

and again with the history... We suck right now but we used to be good. - Every Western KY fan

(03-11-2014 11:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 10:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

Then how are you ever going to get an at large bid? That's the issue. Go look at the bubble watch. They, as well as the selection committee look at things like record vs the top 50, and record vs the top 100. The problem with CUSA is that it has 1 top 50 team and 4 top 100 teams (3 sub 85). And the MAC? 3 top 100 teams. You're not likely to get a resume to get an at large team even considered scheduling that.

The problem the Sun Belt has is that most of our teams have putrid RPI's (USA included). The perception of the conference wont change until we start to get at large bids. And we can't get at large bids with schedules that have 2 or 3 top 100 teams.

The Sun Belt isn't the only conference that cannot count on conference play to get quality RPI opponents.

I'm operating under the goal is that we should have multiple bids as the goal. Scheduling as we have isn't consistent with that goal.

Most of us don't have the cash that we can bypass a home game to play extra road games.

We can schedule Kentucky all we want...but our chances of winning are slim and none, so the game doesn't do much for our RPI. However, if we go through and play top ranked teams out of the MAC and CUSA...we'll be able to not only get a home game, we're going to stand a more reasonable shot at winning those games.

Top 50 teams is a nice concept...but unless they are mid major, realistically you aren't going to win the game.

(03-12-2014 09:04 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 09:45 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 01:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 01:46 PM)Tuscon Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 01:43 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  I really doubt if any Coach or Sportswriter voting in the polls looks at your schedule. It's about wins and losses and reputation. Since not many of them know of GaSt. As a basketball powerhouse is why you are not receiving any votes

I promise you not many coaches or sportswriters know who you played this year or are using a formula when voting in the AP are Coaches poll.

Its all about reputation. Good luck! In whatever tournament you are in

This is where I'm not following you. What SBC team is a basketball "powerhouse"? There aren't any. Why are we still having this discussion?

WKU

...in the past


...muck like University of Chicago football

Yes, the last of our 7 Sweet Sixteens was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away known as 2008.

and again with the history... We suck right now but we used to be good. - Every Western KY fan

Same thing as MTSU sucked for last 100 years and last 3 years have been good? Whats the difference? We have Kermit so we know we will lose in a conf. tournament in March says every MTSU fan.

(03-12-2014 09:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 11:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 10:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

Then how are you ever going to get an at large bid? That's the issue. Go look at the bubble watch. They, as well as the selection committee look at things like record vs the top 50, and record vs the top 100. The problem with CUSA is that it has 1 top 50 team and 4 top 100 teams (3 sub 85). And the MAC? 3 top 100 teams. You're not likely to get a resume to get an at large team even considered scheduling that.

The problem the Sun Belt has is that most of our teams have putrid RPI's (USA included). The perception of the conference wont change until we start to get at large bids. And we can't get at large bids with schedules that have 2 or 3 top 100 teams.

The Sun Belt isn't the only conference that cannot count on conference play to get quality RPI opponents.

I'm operating under the goal is that we should have multiple bids as the goal. Scheduling as we have isn't consistent with that goal.

Most of us don't have the cash that we can bypass a home game to play extra road games.

We can schedule Kentucky all we want...but our chances of winning are slim and none, so the game doesn't do much for our RPI. However, if we go through and play top ranked teams out of the MAC and CUSA...we'll be able to not only get a home game, we're going to stand a more reasonable shot at winning those games.

Top 50 teams is a nice concept...but unless they are mid major, realistically you aren't going to win the game.

You just have to win bottomline and avoid really bad losses RPI of 150 or greater...Solid teams can do that for the most part....Schedule like teams that are close to you..For instance WKU has scheduled a series with Belmont, will not hurt our RPI if we lose and close enough for fans to drive...

(03-12-2014 09:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 11:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 10:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

Then how are you ever going to get an at large bid? That's the issue. Go look at the bubble watch. They, as well as the selection committee look at things like record vs the top 50, and record vs the top 100. The problem with CUSA is that it has 1 top 50 team and 4 top 100 teams (3 sub 85). And the MAC? 3 top 100 teams. You're not likely to get a resume to get an at large team even considered scheduling that.

The problem the Sun Belt has is that most of our teams have putrid RPI's (USA included). The perception of the conference wont change until we start to get at large bids. And we can't get at large bids with schedules that have 2 or 3 top 100 teams.

The Sun Belt isn't the only conference that cannot count on conference play to get quality RPI opponents.

I'm operating under the goal is that we should have multiple bids as the goal. Scheduling as we have isn't consistent with that goal.

Most of us don't have the cash that we can bypass a home game to play extra road games.

We can schedule Kentucky all we want...but our chances of winning are slim and none, so the game doesn't do much for our RPI. However, if we go through and play top ranked teams out of the MAC and CUSA...we'll be able to not only get a home game, we're going to stand a more reasonable shot at winning those games.

Top 50 teams is a nice concept...but unless they are mid major, realistically you aren't going to win the game.

Scheduling 3 games against say SMU, SLU, and Tennessee isn't going to destroy a season. Scheduling three more against USM, Belmont, and Murray wouldn't kill you guys either.

Isn't there some Sun Belt rule about how many non D-1 teams a school can play? I certainly hope there is. We (Ga. Southern) played 4 non D-1 schools last year. That is way, way too many.

(03-12-2014 09:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 11:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 10:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

Then how are you ever going to get an at large bid? That's the issue. Go look at the bubble watch. They, as well as the selection committee look at things like record vs the top 50, and record vs the top 100. The problem with CUSA is that it has 1 top 50 team and 4 top 100 teams (3 sub 85). And the MAC? 3 top 100 teams. You're not likely to get a resume to get an at large team even considered scheduling that.

The problem the Sun Belt has is that most of our teams have putrid RPI's (USA included). The perception of the conference wont change until we start to get at large bids. And we can't get at large bids with schedules that have 2 or 3 top 100 teams.

The Sun Belt isn't the only conference that cannot count on conference play to get quality RPI opponents.

I'm operating under the goal is that we should have multiple bids as the goal. Scheduling as we have isn't consistent with that goal.

Most of us don't have the cash that we can bypass a home game to play extra road games.

We can schedule Kentucky all we want...but our chances of winning are slim and none, so the game doesn't do much for our RPI. However, if we go through and play top ranked teams out of the MAC and CUSA...we'll be able to not only get a home game, we're going to stand a more reasonable shot at winning those games.

Top 50 teams is a nice concept...but unless they are mid major, realistically you aren't going to win the game.

Here is my ideal OOC for Missouri State.

Tulsa
Saint Louis
Oral Roberts
Arkansas State (replace with Wichita St if we leave Valley)

Exempt Tournament
2 BCS Teams
2 Play In Games

1 Money Game on the Road (Louisville, Kansas, Memphis, etc.)
1 Buy Game at Home
2 H/A with comparable programs (Low BCS, MWC, CUSA, MAC, etc.)

(03-12-2014 12:24 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(03-12-2014 09:07 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 11:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 10:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Scheduling three top 50 RPI teams in a given year is way too much. What you want to do is play a bunch of games against teams from conferences near you. We need to load up on CUSA and MAC teams, while throwing in an exempt tournament and a couple buy games.

Non D1's are not the worst thing in the world provided you've got other games on the home schedule to bring fans in. ASU has been criticized heavily by fans for scheduling two non D1's, and only offering UCA (Who has a horrible basketball reputation in Arkansas) and Toledo (Good home game) as big name OOC home games. UCA is god awful, and Toledo, while a big name, is not well known in Arkansas.

Then how are you ever going to get an at large bid? That's the issue. Go look at the bubble watch. They, as well as the selection committee look at things like record vs the top 50, and record vs the top 100. The problem with CUSA is that it has 1 top 50 team and 4 top 100 teams (3 sub 85). And the MAC? 3 top 100 teams. You're not likely to get a resume to get an at large team even considered scheduling that.

The problem the Sun Belt has is that most of our teams have putrid RPI's (USA included). The perception of the conference wont change until we start to get at large bids. And we can't get at large bids with schedules that have 2 or 3 top 100 teams.

The Sun Belt isn't the only conference that cannot count on conference play to get quality RPI opponents.

I'm operating under the goal is that we should have multiple bids as the goal. Scheduling as we have isn't consistent with that goal.

Most of us don't have the cash that we can bypass a home game to play extra road games.

We can schedule Kentucky all we want...but our chances of winning are slim and none, so the game doesn't do much for our RPI. However, if we go through and play top ranked teams out of the MAC and CUSA...we'll be able to not only get a home game, we're going to stand a more reasonable shot at winning those games.

Top 50 teams is a nice concept...but unless they are mid major, realistically you aren't going to win the game.

Here is my ideal OOC for Missouri State.

Tulsa
Saint Louis
Oral Roberts
Arkansas State (replace with Wichita St if we leave Valley)

Exempt Tournament
2 BCS Teams
2 Play In Games

1 Money Game on the Road (Louisville, Kansas, Memphis, etc.)
1 Buy Game at Home
2 H/A with comparable programs (Low BCS, MWC, CUSA, MAC, etc.)

That would put you in a good position for an at large if you perform well in those games. Even with a Sun Belt conference affiliation.

(03-11-2014 12:00 AM)panama Wrote:  I am laughing that people are still looking for some way for us to not make the tourney. A week off. Two games. I love our chances.

LOL.

(03-16-2014 07:42 PM)USACoN2012 Wrote:  

(03-11-2014 12:00 AM)panama Wrote:  I am laughing that people are still looking for some way for us to not make the tourney. A week off. Two games. I love our chances.

LOL.

Would you not have liked USA's chances with a one loss conference season and having to win two games to make it?