Re UL - last I heard if they end up with the same record as UC, UL gets the tiebreaker due to some arcane AAC tiebreaker rules. Something to do with UL vs SMU this year. Which I don't get since Memphis beat UL twice and UC beat Memphis twice. Shrug.

If UC, UL, and Memphis win Saturday, then UC and UL are tied for first and Memphis, UConn, And SMU are tied for third. Since UC and UL are both 4-2 against those 3rd place teams, then the #1 seed will be determined by a coin flip. If SMU beats Memphis, then they will be alone in 3rd place. Since UL swept SMU and we are 1-1 against them, UL would get the #1 seed.

Where and when will this coin flip be? Saturday night?

(03-06-2014 11:26 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:27 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 09:20 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Wonder why Dave didn't get in?

He declined when he got the call to go in.

That's weird. We did wonder why Narsyuk didn't get to start as it is somewhat of a tradition that the seniors start and play a minute or two to honor them. We figured he was injured but if he was asked to go into the game late in the game i wasn't due to injury. Maybe he was given the choice to start and declined so as not to possibly impact the game negatively early on. Hope we get some clarity on what the deal was. I'd hate for David to have been given the shaft.

That's a dumb tradition, especially considering how big of a game it was. And the fact that there's another senior at his position that needs to get as many minutes as possible. If he got the chance to come in at the end of the game and chose not to, for whatever reason, I don't think you can say he got the shaft.

(03-06-2014 09:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 09:35 PM)SW UC Wrote:  Kilpatrick was just awesome and he should be AAC POY!

Looking at things objectively, I'd have to vote Napier over Smith followed by Kilpatrick. He's doing it all for UConn and they'd be nothing without him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Smith get the nod if UL wins the conference though. Saturday's UConn @ UL game could not only end up deciding who wins the conference, but who wins POY honors.

Both Napier and Smith have been awesome. Hell those two joined Kilpatrick in the top 6 of Beaman's Wooden Watch this week, but I just don;t think either should win over Kilpatrick...Especially if UC shares the league title.

Glockner summed it up well tonight.

Quote:Andy Glockner ‏@AndyGlockner 4h

Kilpatrick should be 1st team AA. Do you realize how hard it is to have a 119 ORtg using 30+% poss on a bad offensive team? He's been great

Kilpatrick has been unbelievably efficient on an offense that gives him very little help where he has to do everything. He has been incredible. If it were not for McBuckets I'd say he could win National Player of the Year.

Quote:Andy Glockner ‏@AndyGlockner 4h

Kilpatrick should be 1st team AA. Do you realize how hard it is to have a 119 ORtg using 30+% poss on a bad offensive team? He's been great

No, I didn't realize how hard that was. It sounds hard. It's hard, right?

Leagues tend to not want to give awards to outgoing teams unless their head and shoulders above everyone else so you can eliminate Russ. If we win Saturday it's going to be SK. Theres a strong argument for Napier but when it's close you go with the guy whose team wins the league.

Awesome senior night. On my list of greatest UC games I have seen in person.

I don't know the details of the Nyarsuk situation, but if I were the coach I would have at least started him last night. What harm would there have been for him to play the first minute or two?

I kept wondering when he would get in and he looked upset to me at the end of the game. I would have been. No - he didn't play a big role during his time here but he practiced every day like the other players and he deserved a little better in my opinion.

I wonder if Cronin will address what happened?

No way I start him. That is too big a game against too good of a a team. If Senior Night was against Rutgers, then fine.

(03-07-2014 07:12 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Awesome senior night. On my list of greatest UC games I have seen in person.

This.

a coach and a group of guys that's so easy and fun to root for.

(03-07-2014 01:35 AM)EffinBJ Wrote:  

Quote:Andy Glockner ‏@AndyGlockner 4h

Kilpatrick should be 1st team AA. Do you realize how hard it is to have a 119 ORtg using 30+% poss on a bad offensive team? He's been great

No, I didn't realize how hard that was. It sounds hard. It's hard, right?

My thoughts exactly. Dear god I hope this crap doesn't make it's way into basketball.

The stats are like a warm blanket for lots of guys who have not played competitively since 4th grade.

(03-06-2014 11:18 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 11:03 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  

(03-06-2014 10:12 PM)eroc Wrote:  Youtube video of SR night pregame. Our coach is not the most photogenic. Hell of a coach though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73QX-eUc...e=youtu.be

Wow. Just wow. Watching the emotion and closeness of those three JJ SK and Titus. That's something really special. What a group. We've had some great individual seniors and some great classes, but these three have been so special. What a classy group of kids as well. Gonna miss those three.

Now that you mentioned it, i just looked at the roster. Next year, Guyn and Sanders are the only seniors. The year after, it's only Shaq. Hopefully, those three will be ready to lead next season.

Deberry will be there with Shaq too. And then the possibility of signing another Juco or transfer

(03-07-2014 07:39 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The stats are like a warm blanket for lots of guys who have not played competitively since 4th grade.

Nail on the head my man. Nail on the head.

Dan Hoard ‏@Dan_Hoard 15m
.@Jumpingjackuc5 played 30 minutes last night. UC now 11-0 when he plays at least 30 including all 7 wins vs RPI Top 50 #BearcatsVoice

Tom Gelehrter ‏@Tommy_G 10h
"I kept telling myself, it's coming to you, do not foul. Do not foul." -Justin Jackson on staying out of foul trouble.

JJ has to play smart like that from here on out. I have never seen him back off of blocks that he had no shot st like he did last night, I damn near cried.

I've never understood the open hostility to using statistics for analysis. We already used statistics every day. In the case of Kilpatrick statistics tell me exactly what I have seen on the Court all year. A man who is asked to carry an enormous load on offense for a bad offensive team and who has done so in an incredibly efficient manner.

The idea that because you can quantify something (or at least do your best... it's more limited in basketball where there are far more variables and the game is far less individual in nature) it makes it less fun to talk about. Go look at an organization like the San Antonio Spurs who have been at the forefront of looking at these things and using them in their gameplans and how they use talent. It's been huge to their success even as they sit their older players.

To each their own, but the rejection of new methods for evaluating talent seems very "Kids get off my lawn" like to me.

Additionally, the idea that people using statistical analysis to evaluate play are those who don't or haven't played competitively is just laughable. The number of organizations and coaching staffs that use the tools in not only evaluating talent, but developing talent is growing every day. Hell, Billy Beane was one of the guys at the forefront in baseball. He was high school all american baseball player who signed a minor league contract out of school. That's a higher level than most will play and yet he found statistics to be a great way to evaluate talent and put a team together that could compete on a shoestring budget. The better organizations in baseball embraced much of what the A's and we are getting better and better measures.

I listen to Joey Votto, unquestionably one of the best hitters in baseball, talk about those statistics all the time. That's a man playing baseball at its highest level who understands the value. The line for embracing statistics is not some Played v. didn't play line. There are plenty of people who played and embrace statistical analysis and there are plenty of people who didn't play that get annoyed by it.

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(03-07-2014 06:24 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Leagues tend to not want to give awards to outgoing teams unless their head and shoulders above everyone else so you can eliminate Russ. If we win Saturday it's going to be SK. Theres a strong argument for Napier but when it's close you go with the guy whose team wins the league.

Agree. At this point I think SK is the correct choice if they close out Saturday. Smith will likely lose some support due to Ville leaving the conference.

As for statistics, mathematics is used successfully every day in applications far more difficult to measure than sports. Pretty sure a room of smart people can figure out applications towards ye ole round ball.

(03-07-2014 08:07 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I've never understood the open hostility to using statistics for analysis. We already used statistics every day. In the case of Kilpatrick statistics tell me exactly what I have seen on the Court all year. A man who is asked to carry an enormous load on offense for a bad offensive and who has done so in an incredibly efficient manner.

The idea that because you can quantify something (or at least do your best... it's more limited in basketball where there are far more variables and the game is far less individual in nature) it makes it less fun to talk about. Go look at an organization like the San Antonio Spurs who have been at the forefront of looking at these things and using them in their gameplans and how they use talent. It's been huge to their success even as they sit their older players.

To each their own, but the rejection of new methods for evaluating talent seems very "Kids get off my lawn" like to me.

I could put different numbers, percentages, rates and variables on the occasions that I have sex, but that's not what sex is about. Get it?
No one is arguing that it is not a good way to evaluate players, I think most people are arguing that people should just enjoy the game instead of burying oneself neck deep in numbers.