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RE: FCS Upgrade Candidate Attendance
(03-10-2014 02:44 PM)chrisattsu Wrote: (03-10-2014 02:27 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote: (03-10-2014 01:58 PM)chrisattsu Wrote: (03-09-2014 07:13 AM)johnbragg Wrote: (03-08-2014 11:14 PM)billings Wrote: UTEP is a BB school. MW BB is far better. They jump if they get the chance.
Paycheck is way better in MWC as well
It's also a university, though. Do they draw more students from Houston, Dallas, SAn ANtonio, or Denver, Albuquerque and California? And where do their donating alumni live, Dallas or Denver?
http://cierpdata.utep.edu/OnlineFactBook...egion.aspx
Their undergraduate enrollment this year is ~23000.
Based on their factbook data, 19,000 come from El Paso County.
The second highest Texas county is Dallas at 86. Followed by the rest of the list,
86 students from Dallas County
83 students from Harris County (Houston)
82 students came from Bexar County (San Antonio)
67 students from Tarrant (Fort Worth)
52 students from Travis (Austin)
By comparison they have more students coming in from
Mexico - 1481
New Mexico - 268
California - 163
Arizona - 60
I've always heard that UTEP stays in a Texas conference so they can play in front of alumni crowds throughout the state, but their footprint seems to be localized out west. There are 23 Division I programs (including 12 FBS teams) in Texas, they could join the MWC and play an OOC game in the eastern half of the state every year.
So what you are saying is after counting the 19,000 from El Paso, this is the breakdown by state:
the rest of Texas - 370
New Mexico - 268
California - 163
Arizona - 60
Also, you didn't provide the breakdown for where their alumni live. I work with two UTEP graduates in Fort Worth. When we played them this past football season, they brought around 3,000 to 4,000 fans to Apogee. They have much larger alumni populations in Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio, then you are giving them credit for.
It doesn't surprise me that they brought 4,000 to Apogee. I've heard that they have alumni bases in DFW, Houston, SA, and Austin and those fans love their Miners. That's why they want to stay in a conference with other Texas teams. However, unlike their enrollment data, they do not list any kind of membership numbers on their website.
Their alumni page shows the geographic chapters are based in Austin, Dallas, El Paso, Houston, San Antonio, and Juarez. They don't mention groups outside the state which leads me to believe that the numbers in places like Denver or ABQ are smaller/unorganized.
The total number of undergraduate Texans at UTEP is 20,119 with 19,378 coming from El Paso County. The rest of Texas accounts for 741 students. The "370" number comes from only those 5 counties.
It may not matter, but the truth is those 4K UTEP fans that showed up at Apogee helped North Texas far more than UTEP. UTEP (and El Paso) would have been better off if half that number had road tripped for a game in El Paso. That might happen more if the Miners are not playing regularly in Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio. I don't have time to look, but it would be interesting to see if their football attendance has increased or dropped since joining CUSA.
EDIT--I could only find limited numbers on the NCAA site from that long ago--but the numbers were much higher a couple of years after joining CUSA than the year prior to joining CUSA. Of course, most of those teams they played are no longer in CUSA---that said, the numbers were over 10K higher--so its a very significant difference. That might have to do with UTEP having a better team in those years---hard to tell. It would tend to indicate there may be something to having more Texas teams on the schedule. Of course, the strange thing is, in the last year in the MW, they played some Texas teams.....so idk....
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2014 04:44 PM by Attackcoog.)
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