(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

LOL our founding fathers weren't even Christian more than likely

How have you never heard of Shreveport or the Independence Bowl???

Way to be a football fan....

(02-24-2014 05:31 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:29 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  This is the one bowl I would NOT go to. First off I'm not spending money to go to some place I've never heard of, second I won't spend money that benefits the duck dynasty characters in ANY way.

are you also a homosexual like that guy from Troy?

no. but i definitely support gay rights and i WILL NOT support sexists and racist people.

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

How has this thread gone this far without being deleted???

I think it has been fairly civil though.

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

Imagine that, the guy that I've seen spew hate and talk down to others on here is extremely Christian and is foolish enough to think we are a Christian nation. No we aren't a Christian nation we are a secular nation founded by a bunch of intelligent men who were deist. No the bible and the constitution don't tie in. No there is nothing wrong with being unreligious but there is a problem lacking morals, thing is I'm an agnost and I follow a strict moral code of kindness with no qualifications to receive that kindness and there is no benefit to me from this kindness past my own happiness at doing right. People that claim religion is needed for values disgust me so much there is nothing moral about passing judgement on another for any sort of social difference; gender,race,religion,sexual orientation, none of these things matter as long as they aren't harmful to your own existence, if a Hindu were preaching at you he would be wrong if I were to be telling you to stop believing in Christ that would be wrong. Don't stop your belief system but stop acting like there is no other way to be a decent human being.


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(02-24-2014 05:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um... the backlash against those boycotting CFA/Phil Robertson was absolutely incongruous, accusations of infringing on first amendment rights, being called overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity is not simply "the other side of the boycott".

Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

Exactly.

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How has this thread gone this far without being deleted???

I think it has been fairly civil though.

I've dumped a few posts that took the wrong approach civil discussion. A couple of which were by a certain AAC Troll.

As long as the discussion is civil, I see no reason to lock it.

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

Well stated. Is someone else posting using your account?!

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um... the backlash against those boycotting CFA/Phil Robertson was absolutely incongruous, accusations of infringing on first amendment rights, being called overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity is not simply "the other side of the boycott".

Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

(02-24-2014 05:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:19 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  All...all of these type shows are awful.

Pretty much.

Only thing I know from watching some of the show is that the Duck dynasty people are fairly socially unaware, and Phil Robertson's comments prove that.

What I take away from it is...

they believe what they say and act as they believe which is refreshing.

I'm not talking about the silly scripted part of the show but actual beliefs. Most people talk the talk but never walk the walk especially when it comes to something that might hurt their bank account or their time or their freedom.

If you truly believe in something money , time, or freedom should never stand in the way. That's a conviction and I believe he has it. Now the way he goes about saying somethings I think it could be said in a different way and not the harsh words.


But I believe they would walk away from the money if it came to it and that separates most people. A lot of people believes in causes...


till it affects them money wise, time wise or freedom wise then it becomes less important. Or not important at all. Like I said I don't believe the bible is meant as a book to be taken...word by word but if you do it's refreshing to see a person stand by their beliefs no matter what

(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um... the backlash against those boycotting CFA/Phil Robertson was absolutely incongruous, accusations of infringing on first amendment rights, being called overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity is not simply "the other side of the boycott".

Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

(02-24-2014 05:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How has this thread gone this far without being deleted???

I think it has been fairly civil though.

I've dumped a few posts that took the wrong approach civil discussion. A couple of which were by a certain AAC Troll.

As long as the discussion is civil, I see no reason to lock it.

Ya I deleted one too.... I'm watching this thread like a hawk.

(02-24-2014 05:37 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

Well stated. Is someone else posting using your account?!

I spent an hour yesterday reading about what happens to people in Russia who protest against Vladamir Putin and his different laws. I felt the need to clarify some differences between here and there.

(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:23 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Um... the backlash against those boycotting CFA/Phil Robertson was absolutely incongruous, accusations of infringing on first amendment rights, being called overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity is not simply "the other side of the boycott".

Even conservatives on Fox News were continually pointing out that Phil's case was not about the First Amendment (even I corrected some people on facebook about that). As for the accusations of "overly sensitive/overly PC/attacking Christianity", I'm not seeing how that matters, or is any different than accusations of anti-gay/bigot/attacking homosexuals that came from the other side - those are simply a furtherance of the position that each side was taking and what they were responding to.

The reactions in each instance were very simple:
- You want to punish CFA's position by boycotting them? Fine, we will give them a week's worth of profit in one day.
- You want to punish Phil Robertson for saying something we agree with? Fine, we will boycott your network AND buy tons of their branded stuff, and the stuff made by people who are standing by them (like Under Armour).

Just because it was a reaction to a reaction doesn't make it a somehow illegitimate reaction.

How about Arizona trying to ban gays from business... But only to turn around and say never mind because there are businesses who were planning relocating to Phoenix since the Super Bowl is going to held there next and there are all backing out Because of this law they were trying to pass.

Arizona is about to lose out on a ton of money because of their law makers.

Is there a question for me here? Arizona should do whatever they want, AND be prepared to suffer whatever consequences people can bring against them for it.

Georgia is discussing it now too... But there's a big protest going on downtown. It won't pass. Kansas tried too.


Also The Atlanta mayor today announced he helped kick off a $1 million national campaign today to bring same sex marriage to georgia and other southern states

(02-24-2014 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:37 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

Well stated. Is someone else posting using your account?!

I spent an hour yesterday reading about what happens to people in Russia who protest against Vladamir Putin and his different laws. I felt the need to clarify some differences between here and there.

Russia will kill u for being gay.

(02-24-2014 05:44 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:37 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:26 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This whole thread is a lot of what is wrong with this country today.

We are a Christian country founded on Christian values, as we lose those values we will lose our country.

The constitution provides for all sorts of freedoms...it does not provide from freedom of consequences.

Cougar King is perfectly free and welcome to say whatever he wants bad about the Sun Belt and its posters...but as a Mod, I can remove his posts and take that freedom away if I feel it violates our rules.

I cant throw him in jail for it and persecute him for it. But I can provide consequences for what he says.

Phil Robertson is completely free to speak his mind about whatever he wants. But A&E is completely free to suspend him from the show if it doesn't conform to their values. And thousands of Americans are completely free to stop watching the show because of the comments, or threaten to boycott A&E for suspending him, but their bosses are completely free to fire them from their jobs if they get seen out on the sidewalk holding signs indicating that being gay is a sin.

We're a country based on freedoms, but freedom from consequence is not one of those.

Well stated. Is someone else posting using your account?!

I spent an hour yesterday reading about what happens to people in Russia who protest against Vladamir Putin and his different laws. I felt the need to clarify some differences between here and there.

Russia will kill u for being gay.

No Russia will imprison you for talking to minors about homosexuality still bad but not that bad


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(02-24-2014 05:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 05:19 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  All...all of these type shows are awful.

Pretty much.

Only thing I know from watching some of the show is that the Duck dynasty people are fairly socially unaware, and Phil Robertson's comments prove that.

What I take away from it is...

they believe what they say and act as they believe which is refreshing.

I'm not talking about the silly scripted part of the show but actual beliefs. Most people talk the talk but never walk the walk especially when it comes to something that might hurt their bank account or their time or their freedom.

If you truly believe in something money , time, or freedom should never stand in the way. That's a conviction and I believe he has it. Now the way he goes about saying somethings I think it could be said in a different way and not the harsh words.

But I believe they would walk away from the money if it came to it and that separates most people. A lot of people believes in causes...

till it affects them money wise, time wise or freedom wise then it becomes less important. Or not important at all. Like I said I don't believe the bible is meant as a book to be taken...word by word but if you do it's refreshing to see a person stand by their beliefs no matter what

This pretty much suns up what A&E didn't understand about the family. A&E arranged the interview, they had a representative at the interview, yet said nothing until the interview came out. It is clear that they thought they could use it to get rid of Phil (who was the one who insisted they stop editing the word "Jesus" out of his prayers), but they never dreamed that the entire family would be willing to walk away from the whole thing. A&E was clearly not used to dealing with people with true convictions.