(02-24-2014 10:28 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:12 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I think that the loser is Manziel being offiically measured at 5'11.

Actually just a hair under 6'. Is there really any difference between 5' 11 3/4" and 6' even or even 6'1".

Is there any difference between "6'1" or "6'3" or "6'4"? Or for that matter "5'11 3/4" and "6'4"?

(02-24-2014 11:32 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Is there any difference between "6'1" or "6'3" or "6'4"? Or for that matter "5'11 3/4" and "6'4"?

In theory no, but historically there is. Now I don't think Johnny being 1/4 shorter than the established minimum (6'0) is a big deal, and neither is one inch here or there. But, you cannot combine the two. I.e. if 6'0 isn't much different than 6'1 and 6'1 isn't much different than 6'2, it doesn't work to say 6'0 isn't much different than 6'2.

For Johnny, being short doesn't mean he cannot make it. But statistically (as in based on results of 6'0 and under QB's in the past taken as a group), his chances to make it are smaller than the same skillset on a taller player. More alarming by those numbers, is that only the best "short" QB's ever even get a chance, while more marginal QB's get more opportunities.

There is a great, great in depth analaysis of the subject of height as it pertains to quarterbacks. Now this one was more about the affect on draft status than results, but you can find it below. I will quote the final analysis as it pertains to the topic at hand.

Seahawks' Russell Wilson: A Deep Analysis of Height, QBs, the NFL Draft, and Bucking the Trend part II

Quote:Final Thoughts:

What's undeniable? That the NFL seriously considers height when it comes to quarterbacks. Height even seems to take precedent over college success, experience, going to a big name school, and many other aspects of being a signal-caller. Went to four bowl games and set records? Sorry, you're 6'0".

Never started a college game but you're 6'5"? Let's take a 7th round flier on this guy!

Consider that there have been a number of 6'0" college QBs with great success but only a small fraction of those get drafted. And I don't buy for a second that it's because NFL GMs won't give them a chance simply because there is a "misnomer" about how you need height to be successful as a QB in the NFL. No, you don't need it, as Brees has proven, but you have to be really special to overcome it. And NFL GMs don't often ignore what's in their best interest. A few bad GMs? Sure. But there are not 32 bad NFL GMs.

Also, Drew Brees is one of the most special quarterbacks to ever play the game, a record-setter, and a generational athlete and quarterback that you won't see come along very often. Just when you consider his height relative to his success you can basically say that you might only see one "Drew Brees" in your lifetime. What does that say for Russell Wilson?

And the best line of all

Quote:Andrew Luck has to overcome the odds against failure and Russell Wilson has to overcome the odds against success, but odds against the likely aren't a death sentence; they're an opportunity to give sports the "amazing."

It appears that Wilson knows the game of football as well as any college QB and he'll have to if he's going to become even a regular starter in the NFL. In order to overcome his one handicap of height, he'll have to heighten every other sense, skill and attribute in his arsenal by reading defenses perfectly, drawing off defenses, opening lanes, making quick decisions in the pocket, and making off-the-cuff moves when his pocket disappears or he has to rollout.

And if he couldn't already do things like that, he wouldn't have just had one of the best seasons by a college QB ever. Again, he's already bucking trends.

I can't believe people think Bridgewater is immobile. He simply chooses not to run. He is extremely athletic and will run 4.6ish in the forty.

(02-24-2014 01:10 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  I can't believe people think Bridgewater is immobile. He simply chooses not to run. He is extremely athletic and will run 4.6ish in the forty.

Lmao no


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(02-24-2014 01:20 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 01:10 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  I can't believe people think Bridgewater is immobile. He simply chooses not to run. He is extremely athletic and will run 4.6ish in the forty.

Lmao no


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Don't understand all the Hate from ucf??
FLossY out...

Pick a time bucko

(02-24-2014 01:10 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  I can't believe people think Bridgewater is immobile. He simply chooses not to run. He is extremely athletic and will run 4.6ish in the forty.

Simply chooses to not run? I've never heard of someone who can run choosing not to. In most cases, it's that they don't like to or can't do it as well as they should.

I was actually really surprised at how little he ran when watching him against UCF (the first time I really got to see him). The only significant run I remembered was the huge fourth down play he made in the Cinci game to keep the drive and game alive.

Just for fun, I watched a few Bridgewater highlight tapes just to see if my impressions of him in the two games I watched (UCF and Cinci) carried over throughout the year. Other than the big Cinci run, none of the highlight tapes I watched showed him running either on a designed run or broken play. Not even once. You'd think that there would be at least a few plays of him running, but I didn't find any.

He does move around well in the pocket to extend the play, but he won't likely get such good protection in the NFL. Everyone will be coming faster and he'll likely be on a team with a weaker o-line so being able to move outside the pocket will be an asset.

How will can he prove to NFL teams he can do this effectively without much tape of him doing it on a consistent basis?

He has a throw first mindset. Even when a play breaks down, he looks to throw. I'm sure he doesn't like to run. Doesn't mean he CAN'T run. You guys are saying he's immobile and can't run. I'm saying he doesn't like to or chooses not to. If you don't understand the difference, I can't help you.

He's athletic and his recruiting profile lists his 40 time as 4.6 in high school. I anticipate he will run 4.6ish (betweeen a 4.60 and 4.69) in his 40 for his pro day.

(02-24-2014 01:44 PM)NattyKnight Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 01:10 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  I can't believe people think Bridgewater is immobile. He simply chooses not to run. He is extremely athletic and will run 4.6ish in the forty.

Simply chooses to not run? I've never heard of someone who can run choosing not to. In most cases, it's that they don't like to or can't do it as well as they should.

This is what he means:













Most of the time, instead of running, he uses his mobility to extend plays and make a throw. However he can run if need be. He does not have elite speed, but has elusive quickness. Sort of in the mold of a young Jake Plummer.

Exactly. Even when forced to run, he goes down once he gets a first down. I guess he doesn't like getting popped if he doesn't have to. I'll say he doesn't like to run, but he's clearly not immobile (except the one against Rutgers with the sprained ankle).

(02-24-2014 01:31 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 01:20 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 01:10 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  I can't believe people think Bridgewater is immobile. He simply chooses not to run. He is extremely athletic and will run 4.6ish in the forty.

Lmao no


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Don't understand all the Hate from ucf??
FLossY out...

They blame cheating and getting put on probation on Louisville. They will get over it eventually.

Louisville doesn't care about January or February combines only March

(02-24-2014 02:41 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  Louisville doesn't care about January or February combines only March

That is pretty close to accurate.


We are "Results" oriented. Everything else is just talking.
FLossY out...

(02-24-2014 01:57 PM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  He has a throw first mindset. Even when a play breaks down, he looks to throw. I'm sure he doesn't like to run. Doesn't mean he CAN'T run. You guys are saying he's immobile and can't run. I'm saying he doesn't like to or chooses not to. If you don't understand the difference, I can't help you.

He's athletic and his recruiting profile lists his 40 time as 4.6 in high school. I anticipate he will run 4.6ish (betweeen a 4.60 and 4.69) in his 40 for his pro day.

Recruiting profile? LOL ok yah those are always so accurate. So you are saying Bridgewater is as fast as Manziel but just didn't feel like running. UL fans get a grip. He's a good qb and passer but is immobile and wouldn't run anywhere close to a 4.6.most likely in 4.9 range.

It's not hate it's just being real.


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Manzell ran a 4.5 something, so no, not just as fast.

4.9 ! LMAO. Bortles ran faster than that.