(02-22-2014 04:37 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:33 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:16 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 03:26 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Williamson evades tag along the baseline and is safe at first! Kop to 3rd.

Those at Reckling or watching video can explain in detail.

Williamson stopped halfway down the line, fielder looked away then back at Williamson who then stepped back down the line one or two steps. At that point Purdue threw the ball back to the pitcher and Williamson went to first. Purdue argued, and I believe correctly, that Williamson should be out for going back towards home but Blue conferred and called him safe.

Here's a link to the NCAA rule book (pdf): https://www.arbitersports.com/Groups/105...20Book.pdf

Base running section is pp 70-80. I glanced through it and didn't see anything about a runner heading to first being out when stopping or reversing direction. But maybe I missed it ... or it's in a different section.

Stopping is OK. Backing up is not. Think about NL pitcher's sac bunts and 1b fields it and runs towards hitter as soon as he starts back towards home you see him called out...see it fairly often in that situation. Now maybe NCAA rules are different but I didn't think so.

I found this Q/A on Steve Orinick's umpire website:

Quote:There's a runner on third with less than two outs, and the batter hits a weak grounder down the first base line. The runner on third breaks for home. The pitcher fields the ball and tries to tag the runner going to first, but he tries to avoid the tag by running back towards home and is called out. The runner on third crossed home plate before the fieler tried to tag out the player heading for first. Does the run count?
John Piazza
Highland Heights, OH - 7/7/12

There is no rule in baseball that says the batter-runner can not retreat toward home. If the runner retreats and touchs the plate, the runner is out. You stated that there was less than 2 outs at the time of the pitch. The run would count even if the incorrect call was made as you indicated.

LauraMac rolling-pinned me

Rutter appears to be injured. Trainer out to the mound. Pitching change - Trevor T.

Rutter with a coaching visit maybe with an injury T9

(02-22-2014 05:06 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:37 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:33 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:16 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 03:26 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Williamson evades tag along the baseline and is safe at first! Kop to 3rd.

Those at Reckling or watching video can explain in detail.

Williamson stopped halfway down the line, fielder looked away then back at Williamson who then stepped back down the line one or two steps. At that point Purdue threw the ball back to the pitcher and Williamson went to first. Purdue argued, and I believe correctly, that Williamson should be out for going back towards home but Blue conferred and called him safe.

Here's a link to the NCAA rule book (pdf): https://www.arbitersports.com/Groups/105...20Book.pdf

Base running section is pp 70-80. I glanced through it and didn't see anything about a runner heading to first being out when stopping or reversing direction. But maybe I missed it ... or it's in a different section.

Stopping is OK. Backing up is not. Think about NL pitcher's sac bunts and 1b fields it and runs towards hitter as soon as he starts back towards home you see him called out...see it fairly often in that situation. Now maybe NCAA rules are different but I didn't think so.

I found this Q/A on Steve Orinick's umpire website:

Quote:There's a runner on third with less than two outs, and the batter hits a weak grounder down the first base line. The runner on third breaks for home. The pitcher fields the ball and tries to tag the runner going to first, but he tries to avoid the tag by running back towards home and is called out. The runner on third crossed home plate before the fieler tried to tag out the player heading for first. Does the run count?
John Piazza
Highland Heights, OH - 7/7/12

There is no rule in baseball that says the batter-runner can not retreat toward home. If the runner retreats and touchs the plate, the runner is out. You stated that there was less than 2 outs at the time of the pitch. The run would count even if the incorrect call was made as you indicated.

I was just about to post the same link. There does appear to be a rule in softball that this is illegal, but not NCAA or ML baseball.

OT: MBB off to a 3-16 start at ECU. Ugh. (11:19 left in 1H)

3-21 .... 9:59 left in 1H.

Teykl in for Rutter: BB, PO6, K, 1B (2 on, 2 out),
3-2 count...F8

Rutter's pitches were nasty

Purdue 1-7-1
Rice 9-12-0

Great game Owls. Skyler adds two RBIs to his total

WTG, Rice!!!

(02-22-2014 05:06 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:37 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:33 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 04:16 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-22-2014 03:26 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  Williamson evades tag along the baseline and is safe at first! Kop to 3rd.

Those at Reckling or watching video can explain in detail.

Williamson stopped halfway down the line, fielder looked away then back at Williamson who then stepped back down the line one or two steps. At that point Purdue threw the ball back to the pitcher and Williamson went to first. Purdue argued, and I believe correctly, that Williamson should be out for going back towards home but Blue conferred and called him safe.

Here's a link to the NCAA rule book (pdf): https://www.arbitersports.com/Groups/105...20Book.pdf

Base running section is pp 70-80. I glanced through it and didn't see anything about a runner heading to first being out when stopping or reversing direction. But maybe I missed it ... or it's in a different section.

Stopping is OK. Backing up is not. Think about NL pitcher's sac bunts and 1b fields it and runs towards hitter as soon as he starts back towards home you see him called out...see it fairly often in that situation. Now maybe NCAA rules are different but I didn't think so.

I found this Q/A on Steve Orinick's umpire website:

Quote:There's a runner on third with less than two outs, and the batter hits a weak grounder down the first base line. The runner on third breaks for home. The pitcher fields the ball and tries to tag the runner going to first, but he tries to avoid the tag by running back towards home and is called out. The runner on third crossed home plate before the fieler tried to tag out the player heading for first. Does the run count?
John Piazza
Highland Heights, OH - 7/7/12

There is no rule in baseball that says the batter-runner can not retreat toward home. If the runner retreats and touchs the plate, the runner is out. You stated that there was less than 2 outs at the time of the pitch. The run would count even if the incorrect call was made as you indicated.

Thanks for the update...obviously I was wrong (as was Purdue).
Case Play 8.1.1A in all levels of baseball.

A very satisfying day at The Reck, beginning with an always enjoyable Rice Baseball Parents-hosted tailgate. Yet another solid pitching and defensive effort, and lo and behold, the offense erupted against a quality left-handed pitcher, with almost eveyone contributing.

Game Ball #1: The offensive quartet of Skyler Ewing (2-4, BB, 2 RBIs), Michael Aquino (2-3, double, BB, 3 runs scored), Keenan Cook (2-3, BB, 2 runs scored, RBI) and Ford Stainback (1-3, SF, 3 RBIs). Ewing and Aquino hit the ball hard even when they made outs.

Game Ball #2: Blake Fox (W#2, 5.1 IP, 6 hits, 1 run, 2 BBs, 1 HBP, 0 Ks) who did not have his "swing and miss" stuff, and was hit hard on occassion, but got the big outs when he needed to. I believe Blake is now a perfect 8-0 in his still young Rice career.

Game Ball #3: Evan Rutter (2.2 IP, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 BBs, 1 HBP, 4 Ks) in what may very well have been his best career performance at Rice. Hopefully, the injury (he appeared to pull something in his oblique or a muscle by the side of his rib cage) is not serious, and he'll be back on the mound within the next week or two. Evan has always had nasty, nasty stuff; the issue has always been one of focus and control. Let's hope this represents his at long last breakout performance.

Honorable mentions to both Shane Hoelscher and Hunter Kopycinski.

Let's get the sweep tomorrow and put a wrap on a successful 4-1 week. Go Owls!