(02-09-2014 10:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Are we still hiring one assistant coach? It seems like we lost one coach but so far, just promoted the titles of two current coaches.

I thought we were promoting one of the grad asst's to a full time position meaning that we really just need a new grad asst.

(02-09-2014 10:34 AM)owl40 Wrote:  Not defending the situation as I agree w/ most here about co anything.. but from DB's eyes one could argue hiring Coach Z from outside was a disaster and promoting Thurmond when Dreisbach left from w/in was a success and and thus having continuity in staff is/was part of the reasoning. You know what you are getting when you promote people who already have worked for you. When you hire from outside, it is a crapshoot. You can get something better..can get something worse as many factors (fit w/ players, staff, culture, philosophy, style, knowledge of game, fit w/ 'Rice', etc.). All of those things can make something go wrong....and even though we won 11-games, Rice OC job is not the A&M OC job so the quality of candidates will have more risk as you have guys unproven on way up and will be out-the-door to next thing after a season or two (Applewhite, Herman, etc.) who won't have loyalty or continuity or guys who are proven but are past prime (Dreisbach, Z, etc.)..so I'm sure this is DB logic.

When someone asks me about DB, I say his biggest strengths and weaknesses are the same....continuity and loyalty. At least he is predictable.

this makes sense. whether it works the way DB (or this board) wants only time will tell.

(02-09-2014 10:39 AM)RiceDoc Wrote:  Anybody know whether they are truly co-OCs or were they both given titles to justify more cash to the bean counters while in practice we really only have one OC and one to give advise in run or pass game scripting?

could be, and regardless, I expect that there has been a written description of the division of responsibility/scopes of work pulled together.

(02-09-2014 12:15 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:50 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Are we still hiring one assistant coach? It seems like we lost one coach but so far, just promoted the titles of two current coaches.

I thought we were promoting one of the grad asst's to a full time position meaning that we really just need a new grad asst.

I thought that was already announced.

I'm new to this news, and oh my yikes. Co-coordinaters too? Even worse. I'm sorry to say I think this is real bad news for the program. Hopefully they can prove me wrong on the field.

Is DB an example of nice-guy-ness and loyalty and 'getting' academics/Rice being a serious hindrance to being a successful head coach on the football field? Obvious counter-examples I'm missing?

(02-10-2014 01:01 AM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  I'm new to this news, and oh my yikes. Co-coordinaters too? Even worse. I'm sorry to say I think this is real bad news for the program. Hopefully they can prove me wrong on the field.

Is DB an example of nice-guy-ness and loyalty and 'getting' academics/Rice being a serious hindrance to being a successful head coach on the football field? Obvious counter-examples I'm missing?

You mean besides the back-to-back bowl game appearances and the first outright conference title since 1957?

(02-10-2014 07:58 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:01 AM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  I'm new to this news, and oh my yikes. Co-coordinaters too? Even worse. I'm sorry to say I think this is real bad news for the program. Hopefully they can prove me wrong on the field.

Is DB an example of nice-guy-ness and loyalty and 'getting' academics/Rice being a serious hindrance to being a successful head coach on the football field? Obvious counter-examples I'm missing?

You mean besides the back-to-back bowl game appearances and the first outright conference title since 1957?

Again, the result primarily of a much less competitive schedule; not due to great coaching. Sorry, but given Edmonson's coaching history-- both here as QB coach and in a couple stints in the OC role-- there is absolutey no rationale for feeling good about this coaching decision...and making it a co-coordinator role only increases one's skepticism and disappointment. There is no possible way to sugar coat this and paint an optimistic picture going forward. The best one can hope for is maintaining the status quo and, quite honestly, that's a stretch with Edmondson's track record.

(02-10-2014 09:20 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 07:58 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:01 AM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  I'm new to this news, and oh my yikes. Co-coordinaters too? Even worse. I'm sorry to say I think this is real bad news for the program. Hopefully they can prove me wrong on the field.

Is DB an example of nice-guy-ness and loyalty and 'getting' academics/Rice being a serious hindrance to being a successful head coach on the football field? Obvious counter-examples I'm missing?

You mean besides the back-to-back bowl game appearances and the first outright conference title since 1957?

Again, the result primarily of a much less competitive schedule; not due to great coaching. Sorry, but given Edmonson's coaching history-- both here as QB coach and in a couple stints in the OC role-- there is absolutey no rationale for feeling good about this coaching decision...and making it a co-coordinator role only increases one's skepticism and disappointment. There is no possible way to sugar coat this and paint an optimistic picture going forward. The best one can hope for is maintaining the status quo and, quite honestly, that's a stretch with Edmondson's track record.

So, if I am understanding you correctly, then we should reconsider what the team accomplished this year since it was "the result primarily of a much less competitive schedule"? Because if what the coaches did wasn't great, then I would assume the players didn't accomplish anything great either since it should have been so easy, right?

I don't get the warm fuzzies about this decision either. But, DB has made his choice and I'll review it at the end of the season to see if it worked out or not.

(02-08-2014 09:54 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 10:57 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:19 PM)mrbig Wrote:  Oh well. Hope it works out but certainly not holding my breath. At least Coach Bailiff apparently looked outside the program and don't just settle for what was readily available.

How can we be so sure? This was the rumor since immediately after the Liberty Bowl and turned out to be the case. He might have interviewed several other simply for process purposes and to go through the motion.

"I'll have the #2 with mustard and fries...btw any experience as an football offensive coordinator? No, well thanks".

This help?