Rivals had WMU ranked 60th nationally and us 111. We were ranked 8th in the MAC. At the bottom of the MAC was Miami (O) Chuck Martin. CC's first class is ranked fairly closely to Genyk's classes. I expect CC to pull this ranking up next year.

If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

(02-06-2014 05:42 PM)All_EMU Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

Does for a living, but can't even use the correct official logo of the department? Can't do that, I don't trust your rankings.

? Don't follow you, unless he has changed the logo. Which logo are you referring?

(02-06-2014 02:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

Allen had a guy in Toledo's class write-up that's not been apart of it for a while.

One thing to keep in mind, there are (well) over 200 D-I (both FBS and FCS) schools and if the typical school signs say 20 prospects that would equal (over) 4,000 recruits.

So in any given year they are following those 4K current year recruits and maybe 1K or more next year recruits. Now they start all over and repeat the process.

All in all the 'managers' like Allen do a very good job.

(02-06-2014 02:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

OK guys I am very suspect of this class. How is it possible that so many highly rated kids that are three stars did not get offers from Michigan, Michigan State, etc? How did they not have any defections? The majority of these kids are from Michigan. If PJ was such a great recruiter he would have also got more high level kids from other states like Florida, but he didnt. Can we find out if the same rating service or person at that rating service ended up evaluating these kids? Was Allen at Scout the main rater? Does he tend to rate higher then other raters? The Rivals guys might now who does the rating but I see a trend that no other MAC school accomplished let alone other auto qualifiers. I am very suspect about this?

(02-07-2014 09:51 AM)tampabayrocketfan Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

OK guys I am very suspect of this class. How is it possible that so many highly rated kids that are three stars did not get offers from Michigan, Michigan State, etc? How did they not have any defections? The majority of these kids are from Michigan. If PJ was such a great recruiter he would have also got more high level kids from other states like Florida, but he didnt. Can we find out if the same rating service or person at that rating service ended up evaluating these kids? Was Allen at Scout the main rater? Does he tend to rate higher then other raters? The Rivals guys might now who does the rating but I see a trend that no other MAC school accomplished let alone other auto qualifiers. I am very suspect about this?

Spot on, and, oh, Allen, is a BROwNCOw, which explains a lot.

Dear tampabayrocketfan,
If you check the Scout.com Western site, everyone of their three star commits received more than one offer, except one. Some had offers from Big Ten schools, and many had a slew of offers from MAC schools.
Generally, Big Ten schools, like Michigan and Michigan State, look for four and five star recruits before looking at three star athletes. So, to me, that partially answers the questions you have posed. Does that mean they wouldn't look at three star athletes? No. They have signed some, but to claim that there is something fishy about the fact that Western's recruits didn't receive an offer from the two Big Ten schools in Michigan is iffy at best.

(02-07-2014 09:51 AM)tampabayrocketfan Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

OK guys I am very suspect of this class. How is it possible that so many highly rated kids that are three stars did not get offers from Michigan, Michigan State, etc? How did they not have any defections? The majority of these kids are from Michigan. If PJ was such a great recruiter he would have also got more high level kids from other states like Florida, but he didnt. Can we find out if the same rating service or person at that rating service ended up evaluating these kids? Was Allen at Scout the main rater? Does he tend to rate higher then other raters? The Rivals guys might now who does the rating but I see a trend that no other MAC school accomplished let alone other auto qualifiers. I am very suspect about this?

I don't doubt WMU's class.

EVERYTHING that I've seen from Scout, Rivals, etc. including write ups of top prospects by the Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, etc. including anecdotal stories of the big OT who was getting offered by a lot of excellent P-5 schools and wouldn't switch.

I've been following recruiting for 20 years and this appears to be a real deal MAC class. I don't consider it a bunch of hype.

Not how will it play out esp. in 2015 and 2016? There is so much which determines success and failure for a team.

(02-07-2014 10:23 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 09:51 AM)tampabayrocketfan Wrote:  

(02-06-2014 02:53 PM)emu steve Wrote:  If we have Rivals, I guess we need Scout.com. :)

http://easternmichigan.scout.com/2/1373483.html

Nice little write up by Allen Trieu who does this stuff for a living.

OK guys I am very suspect of this class. How is it possible that so many highly rated kids that are three stars did not get offers from Michigan, Michigan State, etc? How did they not have any defections? The majority of these kids are from Michigan. If PJ was such a great recruiter he would have also got more high level kids from other states like Florida, but he didnt. Can we find out if the same rating service or person at that rating service ended up evaluating these kids? Was Allen at Scout the main rater? Does he tend to rate higher then other raters? The Rivals guys might now who does the rating but I see a trend that no other MAC school accomplished let alone other auto qualifiers. I am very suspect about this?

I don't doubt WMU's class.

EVERYTHING that I've seen from Scout, Rivals, etc. including write ups of top prospects by the Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, etc. including anecdotal stories of the big OT who was getting offered by a lot of excellent P-5 schools and wouldn't switch.

I've been following recruiting for 20 years and this appears to be a real deal MAC class. I don't consider it a bunch of hype.

Not how will it play out esp. in 2015 and 2016? There is so much which determines success and failure for a team.

None of these three star recruits received offers from Michigan or Michigan State. Did they just sign better three star recruits? Those schools would trump WMU if they offered on most occasions whether we like it or not.

PJ appeared to be smart enough not to go after guys that State and UM were interested in. Except for that WR who was once committed to MSU and is now a bronco. But I think the biggest thing was he got in early on these guys. Most of the class was wrapped up before the season even started. Don't know what he did to keep them so loyal, but whatever it was it worked.

(02-07-2014 04:52 PM)Ubish Wrote:  PJ appeared to be smart enough not to go after guys that State and UM were interested in. Except for that WR who was once committed to MSU and is now a bronco. But I think the biggest thing was he got in early on these guys. Most of the class was wrapped up before the season even started. Don't know what he did to keep them so loyal, but whatever it was it worked.

Yep, he got in early and got good ones.

The one thing I haven't looked at is trying to project where some of these recruits MIGHT have gone had they not been committed to WMU so early.

What I'm getting at did some of these recruits rise to the level that they could have played themselves into a B1G scholarship had they been actively recruited during the fall?

Recruiting rankings are interesting but, in the end, meaningless. Michigan consistently is ranked very high in the recruiting rankings yet often does little with recruits it gets. Michigan State, on the other hand, is often ranked lower but has recently done more with less. It isn't so much where you start as it is where you finish. That's coaching.