(02-03-2014 06:08 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: (02-02-2014 01:30 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: Keystone XL isn't for us. Damn you guys are stupid.
Funny thing is, it IS partly for us. Some US companies have rights to oil up here. Sometimes it's best to cut your losses when you look like a fool.
Jesus Fcking Christ you are an idiot. You wouldn't know the truth if it kicked you in your non-existent balls.
1) That 50 job figure comes directly from the state department report you right-wing morons are waving around like a victory flag. Oil companies like pipelines so much because they don't need many workers to operate them. As for you argument of multiplier effects, the effects are likely to be negative you when take into account the higher energy prices and current bitumen processing that US consumer markets will lose due to Keystone XL.
4) How fcking stupid do you have to be to quote an October 2012 (in February 2014) article that doesn't even measure the very thing being discussed? So not only is that article a year and a half old (meaning it missed the $15 Billion purchase of Nexen by Chinese interests which was the largest foreign takeover in Chinese history), but it doesn't measure ownership of oil sands interests. It's only reporting ownership (as of 2012) in the ten largest current (as of 2012) bitumen producing fields. Allow me to enlighten you about Chinese ownership in the tar sands. In the last 10 years, China has supplied 52% of all foreign investment in the tar sands. They own 16.23 of Syncrude Canada, 100% of Nexen, 14.2% of MEG Energy, 100% of Athabasca Oil Sands, 29% of Sunshine Oilsands, 45% of the joint venture with Penn West Energy, 50% of Northern Lights, 100% of OPTI Canada, and 17.6% of Teck Resources. Canada got so fidgety about Chinese ownership that they put new restrictions on ownership of energy resources by state-owned companies (i.e. Chinese Oil companies). That slowed Chinese buying in 2013, but China is looking for loopholes and is projected to resume their ravenous buying of tar sand interests in 2014.
I would tell most people to do a little more research before posting idiotic things like you did, but there's no point in telling you that since you're clearly too stupid to understand the things you're reading.
5) There is not SOME truth to the dirty oil argument. There is overwhelming truth to the dirty oil argument. Quoting the Alberta government isn't going to get you anywhere since they are falling all over themselves to extract those dollars out of the ground. Even they admit that tar sands oil is 25% more polluting than traditional crude. Of course, more objective sources put that number as high as 300% more polluting, but the 25% figure is bad enough.
As for the northern gateway, it's not Canada's federal government that gets to decide whether it will be built. It is British Columbia's provincial government that will have the last say. There's no damn way they're going to green light a new bitumen pipeline across the Rockies. Enbridge went so far as to line up investment (you guessed it, chinese investment) to build that pipeline. They did so despite the fact that the BC government hadn't (and wasn't going to) give approval and Canada's federal government had put a hold on the northern gateway to investigate security implications. So why did they line up Chinese investment? Because they're desperate to pressure the US into approving Keystone XL.
If you could take off your stupid hat for a second, think about this - if Enbridge, and all Canadian tar sand interests, thought they build that pipeline entirely inside Canada and cut the US out of the equation, why wouldn't they do it? Especially when they can clearly get the funding for it? THEY WOULD! They know, just like everyone who understands anything about the Canadian political landscape, that there's never going to be a large bitumen pipeline across the Rockies through BC to the pristine BC coastline in BC's current political climate. Never going to happen.
As for you last dumb*** pronouncement that some Keystone XL bitumen would be for the US, then explain this - why are Canadian producers only half-filling the current pipelines into the Midwest? There's plenty of excess capacity in the current bitumen pipelines. So why do they want to build a new, bigger one going to the gulf? I know the answer. Everyone with a functioning brain knows the answer. Let's see if you know the answer - just for laughs.
I strongly suggest you take your own advice and cut your losses.
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State Department: Keystone XL not an environmental problem
