(02-03-2014 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:10 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

The original grammar hammer© says "Work on your grammar, Fitbud." We're in a discussion about intelligence.

Glad this fool isn't teaching my kids.

This is true

(02-03-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I just have one question. Who is at fault for this class not being "diverse enough?"

Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

(02-03-2014 04:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I just have one question. Who is at fault for this class not being "diverse enough?"

Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

(02-03-2014 04:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

Except the test isn't only identifying whites. If you look at the pictures of the classroom (or pics of most any gifted classroom) you'll see a range of races. In this particular case, there's one black girl, maybe 25% Asian and the rest are white in a classroom size of 14 by my count.

Quote:About This School

P.S. 193 Gil Hodges is a public elementary school in New York. The principal of P.S. 193 Gil Hodges is MR. FRANK A. CIMINO and can be contacted at [email protected]. 887 students go to P.S. 193 Gil Hodges and identify as Black, non-Hispanic; Native American or Native Alaskan; and Asian. 13% of the P.S. 193 Gil Hodges students have "limited English proficiency." 70% of the 887 students here have subsidized lunches. The ratio of students to teachers at P.S. 193 Gil Hodges is 12:1. Step-Special Torah Education Pr is one of the nearest elementary schools.

School District
Black, non-Hispanic 55% 44%
Native American or Native Alaskan 2% 0.3%
Asian 15% %
White, non-Hispanic 15% 26%
Asian/Pacific Islander 14% 16%
Hispanic 14% 13%
Multiracial 0% %
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander 0% %

36% of the students met or exceeded in English Language Arts.
29% of the students met or exceeded in Math

http://www.zillow.com/new-york-ny/school...ges-52662/

This school has shithole test scores and they/you are worried about certain students doing TOO WELL. Absolutely amazing. Why don't they try to copy what the successful students are doing?

Also, the article said this:

At least one parent described SOAR as largely white, while others disagreed, the report said.

One mother conceded the program did have a lot of white students

No where does it say there are no minorities. One parent said "largely white" and another said "a lot."

Would you not concede that we are bound to have anomalies from time to time when it comes to the intelligence range of any given class or any given age? What if there were no white kids and they were are black or Asian? Then what?

Your political correctness borders on outright racism.

My guess is the idiocy is in the decision making about this program. These parents or whomever look at the make up of the Schools racial breakdown and believe that is the % of representation that should be in this gifted class. When instead, the class will likely break down around much the same as you would see in any situation provided there is at least a certain number of all racial backgrounds.

This parent says "look, the school is half black, why aren't half the students in this class black"? When that ain't the way it works. The numbers are going to fall how the numbers fall, and with 17 kids, 2 black kids, 3 Asian and the rest white is about where the gross population is. 11% black is about right.

And if nothing else Cheerios can certainly save their money advertising in this District!

(02-03-2014 04:40 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

Except the test isn't only identifying whites. If you look at the pictures of the classroom (or pics of most any gifted classroom) you'll see a range of races. In this particular case, there's one black girl, maybe 25% Asian and the rest are white in a classroom size of 14 by my count.

Quote:About This School

P.S. 193 Gil Hodges is a public elementary school in New York. The principal of P.S. 193 Gil Hodges is MR. FRANK A. CIMINO and can be contacted at [email protected]. 887 students go to P.S. 193 Gil Hodges and identify as Black, non-Hispanic; Native American or Native Alaskan; and Asian. 13% of the P.S. 193 Gil Hodges students have "limited English proficiency." 70% of the 887 students here have subsidized lunches. The ratio of students to teachers at P.S. 193 Gil Hodges is 12:1. Step-Special Torah Education Pr is one of the nearest elementary schools.

School District
Black, non-Hispanic 55% 44%
Native American or Native Alaskan 2% 0.3%
Asian 15% %
White, non-Hispanic 15% 26%
Asian/Pacific Islander 14% 16%
Hispanic 14% 13%
Multiracial 0% %
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander 0% %

36% of the students met or exceeded in English Language Arts.
29% of the students met or exceeded in Math

http://www.zillow.com/new-york-ny/school...ges-52662/

This school has shithole test scores and they/you are worried about certain students doing TOO WELL. Absolutely amazing. Why don't they try to copy what the successful students are doing?

Also, the article said this:

At least one parent described SOAR as largely white, while others disagreed, the report said.

One mother conceded the program did have a lot of white students

No where does it say there are no minorities. One parent said "largely white" and another said "a lot."

Would you not concede that we are bound to have anomalies from time to time when it comes to the intelligence range of any given class or any given age? What if there were no white kids and they were are black or Asian? Then what?

Your political correctness borders on outright racism.

My guess is the idiocy is in the decision making about this program. These parents or whomever look at the make up of the Schools racial breakdown and believe that is the % of representation that should be in this gifted class. When instead, the class will likely break down around much the same as you would see in any situation provided there is at least a certain number of all racial backgrounds.

This parent says "look, the school is half black, why aren't half the students in this class black"? When that ain't the way it works. The numbers are going to fall how the numbers fall, and with 17 kids, 2 black kids, 3 Asian and the rest white is about where the gross population is. 11% black is about right.

And if nothing else Cheerios can certainly save their money advertising in this District!

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The program is flawed if there is no diversity.

The lack of diversity is not because someone wanted it to be that way.

I'm sure it wasn't intentional. However, most gifted programs are based on IQ. If there isn't diversity then something is wrong with the way they are determining who is and isn't gifted.

So what you're saying is we don't know how to measure gifted minorities, just whites. Nah, not buying it. The answer to a test is the answer to a test and color, sex, height, eye color, and all that other stuff has nothing to do with it. Any implication that one race scores differently on an intellectual test than another race is an implication that needs to be denied and/or covered up. Just look at California's high school exit exams - they were considered racist because not enough minorities were passing them. Adding 2 + 2 and getting 5 was not a product of being a dumb***, it was racism.

Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

I grew up in a poor area of rural Appalachia with a very low percentage of minorities. What went to my school were probably 10% max high IQ, 30%to 40% average kids, and the rest were dumba$$es and it had nothing to do with minority/diversity status. Bottom line, the majority of students walking in the door were poor AND DUMB. Apples don't fall far from the trees - maybe they were poor because their parents were dumb as well.

Hell, 75% of the students that go to that school are on free/reduced lunch which indicates to me that the parents of these kids aren't what one would identify as "successful". What the hell do you think the kids are going to reflect............... This isn't rocket science.

(02-03-2014 04:44 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 02:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  The lack of diversity is not because someone wanted it to be that way.

I'm sure it wasn't intentional. However, most gifted programs are based on IQ. If there isn't diversity then something is wrong with the way they are determining who is and isn't gifted.

So what you're saying is we don't know how to measure gifted minorities, just whites. Nah, not buying it. The answer to a test is the answer to a test and color, sex, height, eye color, and all that other stuff has nothing to do with it. Any implication that one race scores differently on an intellectual test than another race is an implication that needs to be denied and/or covered up. Just look at California's high school exit exams - they were considered racist because not enough minorities were passing them. Adding 2 + 2 and getting 5 was not a product of being a dumb***, it was racism.

Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

I grew up in a poor area of rural Appalachia with a very low percentage of minorities. What went to my school were probably 10% max high IQ, 30%to 40% average kids, and the rest were dumba$$es and it had nothing to do with minority/diversity status. Bottom line, the majority of students walking in the door were poor AND DUMB. Apples don't fall far from the trees - maybe they were poor because their parents were dumb as well.

Hell, 75% of the students that go to that school are on free/reduced lunch which indicates to me that the parents of these kids aren't what one would identify as "successful". What the hell do you think the kids are going to reflect............... This isn't rocket science.

Passing grades or else the district is racist, and eliminate anything the white devils excel at.

(02-03-2014 04:50 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Passing grades or else the district is racist, and eliminate anything the white devils excel at.

There goes golf, tennis, and swimming.

(02-03-2014 04:22 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:10 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

The original grammar hammer© says "Work on your grammar, Fitbud." We're in a discussion about intelligence.

Glad this fool isn't teaching my kids.

This is true

Oh my God. For Pete's sake it was a typo.

Quit bing grammar nazis.

(02-03-2014 04:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:22 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:13 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:10 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

The original grammar hammer© says "Work on your grammar, Fitbud." We're in a discussion about intelligence.

Glad this fool isn't teaching my kids.

This is true

Oh my God. For Pete's sake it was a typo.

Quit bing grammar nazis.

Grammar Hammer © here. I couldn't resist

(02-03-2014 04:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I just have one question. Who is at fault for this class not being "diverse enough?"

Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

Great example of this rip off. My mother in-law went to pick up my niece from school. She had to stop in the office to wait for the niece. While she was waiting on the secretary's desk there was a box of Kleenex (which was supposedly req'd for the classroom) with her last name on it (my in-laws label everything she takes to school). The secretary asked who my mom-in-law was waiting for so she pointed at the Kleenex box. Kind of makes you wonder wtf is going on with these bogus supply requirements.

(02-03-2014 05:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I just have one question. Who is at fault for this class not being "diverse enough?"

Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

Great example of this rip off. My mother in-law went to pick up my niece from school. She had to stop in the office to wait for the niece. While she was waiting on the secretary's desk there was a box of Kleenex (which was supposedly req'd for the classroom) with her last name on it (my in-laws label everything she takes to school). The secretary asked who my mom-in-law was waiting for so she pointed at the Kleenex box. Kind of makes you wonder wtf is going on with these bogus supply requirements.

Technically, it is against school policy to require school supplies from the students. You could fight that and win easy.

(02-03-2014 05:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I just have one question. Who is at fault for this class not being "diverse enough?"

Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

Great example of this rip off. My mother in-law went to pick up my niece from school. She had to stop in the office to wait for the niece. While she was waiting on the secretary's desk there was a box of Kleenex (which was supposedly req'd for the classroom) with her last name on it (my in-laws label everything she takes to school). The secretary asked who my mom-in-law was waiting for so she pointed at the Kleenex box. Kind of makes you wonder wtf is going on with these bogus supply requirements.

Not only are we buying supplies for the whole damn class, but this year a Christmas break a letter was sent home saying more supplies "for my child" were needed. I mean, damn, no kid needs 50 glue sticks. Ever. lol I think I spent over $100 for my two kids this school year.

(02-03-2014 03:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 03:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Im saying that if the test is only identifying whites then their is something wrong with the test.

Unless of course you believe that only whites can be "gifted"

Except the test isn't only identifying whites. If you look at the pictures of the classroom (or pics of most any gifted classroom) you'll see a range of races. In this particular case, there's one black girl, a black boy, 3 Asians and the rest are white in a classroom size of 17 by my count.

That is the way it is supposed to look.

(02-03-2014 05:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 01:52 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  I just have one question. Who is at fault for this class not being "diverse enough?"

Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

Great example of this rip off. My mother in-law went to pick up my niece from school. She had to stop in the office to wait for the niece. While she was waiting on the secretary's desk there was a box of Kleenex (which was supposedly req'd for the classroom) with her last name on it (my in-laws label everything she takes to school). The secretary asked who my mom-in-law was waiting for so she pointed at the Kleenex box. Kind of makes you wonder wtf is going on with these bogus supply requirements.

Technically, it is against school policy to require school supplies from the students. You could fight that and win easy.

No you can't. But my sister bought bought that much for my nephewsn and the one who went to the 8th grade got some really nice notebooks that he wanted. Turns out, when his notebook tore up and he brought it home, it wasn't even the one she bought him. Pissed, she wrote the school and got his 5 Star notebooks refunded to her.

That's some f*cked up BS that these schools are starting to do. And my kids can only wear jeans to school on Fridays IF they pay $2 each. Nevermind they're on the Honor Roll, they don't get special privileges, still gotta pay.

(02-03-2014 05:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:23 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Why the kids of course. In the liberal mind this is akin to their beliefs in income "inequality". In that, if little Susie is smarter than little Jenny, then clearly Susie most have stolen some of those smarts from Jenny, or some other dumb kid.

Just like there's only so much money to be divided up, the idiotic "pie" analogy, apparently there's only so much smartness to go around too.

Wait for the next great crusade of the statists- "Brain Capacity Inequality".

No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

Great example of this rip off. My mother in-law went to pick up my niece from school. She had to stop in the office to wait for the niece. While she was waiting on the secretary's desk there was a box of Kleenex (which was supposedly req'd for the classroom) with her last name on it (my in-laws label everything she takes to school). The secretary asked who my mom-in-law was waiting for so she pointed at the Kleenex box. Kind of makes you wonder wtf is going on with these bogus supply requirements.

Technically, it is against school policy to require school supplies from the students. You could fight that and win easy.

No you can't. But my sister bought bought that much for my nephewsn and the one who went to the 8th grade got some really nice notebooks that he wanted. Turns out, when his notebook tore up and he brought it home, it wasn't even the one she bought him. Pissed, she wrote the school and got his 5 Star notebooks refunded to her.

That's some f*cked up BS that these schools are starting to do. And my kids can only wear jeans to school on Fridays IF they pay $2 each. Nevermind they're on the Honor Roll, they don't get special privileges, still gotta pay.

Schools have had to resort to these kinds of tactics because the government no longer gives schools funds for these kinds of supplies. I've been on school budget committees. It is very common.

(02-03-2014 05:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:27 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 05:02 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 04:35 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  No doubt... Just like school supplies. Why the hell am I providing enough school supplies for three quarters of my son's class?

Furthermore, my nephew goes to a school that excels in test scores every year and happens to be predominately white. The district wants to take the predominately black schools within the district with terrible test scores, and combine them into the upper class schools. Why?

Great example of this rip off. My mother in-law went to pick up my niece from school. She had to stop in the office to wait for the niece. While she was waiting on the secretary's desk there was a box of Kleenex (which was supposedly req'd for the classroom) with her last name on it (my in-laws label everything she takes to school). The secretary asked who my mom-in-law was waiting for so she pointed at the Kleenex box. Kind of makes you wonder wtf is going on with these bogus supply requirements.

Technically, it is against school policy to require school supplies from the students. You could fight that and win easy.

No you can't. But my sister bought bought that much for my nephewsn and the one who went to the 8th grade got some really nice notebooks that he wanted. Turns out, when his notebook tore up and he brought it home, it wasn't even the one she bought him. Pissed, she wrote the school and got his 5 Star notebooks refunded to her.

That's some f*cked up BS that these schools are starting to do. And my kids can only wear jeans to school on Fridays IF they pay $2 each. Nevermind they're on the Honor Roll, they don't get special privileges, still gotta pay.

Schools have had to resort to these kinds of tactics because the government no longer gives schools funds for these kinds of supplies. I've been on school budget committees. It is very common.

Pay the central office folks less. BAM! Money for school supplies.