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(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.
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(01-29-2014 10:38 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  [Image: p2xd.jpg]

Support for laws like this poll very well, and yet you can bet your last dollar Obama will have the DOJ sue if the bill becomes law.

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — A contentious bill to screen welfare recipients for drug abuse and limit residents to buy only “nutritional” foods with food stamps is moving forward.

State representatives voted 71-22 in favor of the bill Tuesday.

The bill would require residents who receive money from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families to take a questionnaire screening for substance abuse and possibly face drug testing.

The bill also would restrict what can be bought through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as food stamps. Recipients only would be able to purchase foods deemed “nutritional” by the state, which state Rep. Jud McMillin of Brookville says likely would prohibit using benefits to buy candy and soda.


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/252575...house.html

How about Indiana passing a bill to make the state legislature, the governor, and all high ranking state officials take a drug test?
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(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.

I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.
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(01-29-2014 10:46 PM)RaiderATO Wrote:  I believe it was FL that did/does this.

Waste of money. COLOSSAL waste of money.

FL tested about less than 1% of their recipients, and I guarantee you they didn't go into any slum where 90% of the dwellers are on welfare.
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(01-30-2014 12:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I see this one getting overturned:

1) Recipients only would be able to purchase foods deemed “nutritional” by the state

That's a bad road to go down...

2) Take a questionnaire screening for substance abuse and possibly face drug testing.

Possibly? So it's "not set in stone"? So how do they decide who faces drug testing and who doesn't?

Yep, and you can bet that as soon as a certain ethnicity gets tested, it'll be racial profiling.
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(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

No, it's not unconstitutional. Pouring through tax payers' dollars and never working is unconstitutional.
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(01-30-2014 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.

I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.

They can randomly test students in public schools. What exactly is the difference?
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RE: Indiana House Passes Bill Requiring Welfare Recipients Be Screened For Drug Abuse…
(01-30-2014 02:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.

I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.

They can randomly test students in public schools. What exactly is the difference?

I know here they post signs at the schools...when you enter you are willingly giving up your right to protection from search and seizure.

I don't see how that can be legal.
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RE: Indiana House Passes Bill Requiring Welfare Recipients Be Screened For Drug Abuse…
(01-30-2014 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.

I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.

How can you find it constitutional to drug test someone who is getting a job, but not someone who refuses to work, and desires to live off of the working man's dollar? Why can't I keep my hard earned money instead? I made it, I worked for it, I got up at 5:45am every morning for it, I drove 50 miles round trip every day for it, I sat behind a desk and wrote contracts and answered prison bids all day for it, it's mine. Why should I have to take care of LaThugnizzay DeTravamarcus Jenkins-Jackson VI just because he/she wants to sit around and smoke pot all day and not work?

THAT'S unconstitutional. If I fail a drug test, I won't make anymore money.
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RE: Indiana House Passes Bill Requiring Welfare Recipients Be Screened For Drug Abuse…
Private employers are just that...private.

Also, not all employers drug test...I worked over 4 years at Apple...they don't believe in drug testing.
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(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How about Indiana passing a bill to make the state legislature, the governor, and all high ranking state officials take a drug test?

I'd support that, too.
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(01-30-2014 02:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's unconstitutional.

Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.

I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.

They can randomly test students in public schools. What exactly is the difference?

I know here they post signs at the schools...when you enter you are willingly giving up your right to protection from search and seizure.

I don't see how that can be legal.

They can't post signs at welfare offices?
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RE: Indiana House Passes Bill Requiring Welfare Recipients Be Screened For Drug Abuse…
(01-30-2014 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Obamacare penalizes people financially by making smokers pay more for insurance than non-smokers.

But you're saying it's NOT ok to financially penalize drug users for living a life style that's even worse than smoking - and buying drugs is a crime no less.

I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.

They can randomly test students in public schools. What exactly is the difference?

I know here they post signs at the schools...when you enter you are willingly giving up your right to protection from search and seizure.

I don't see how that can be legal.

They can't post signs at welfare offices?

I already said I don't see how that can be legal...
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RE: Indiana House Passes Bill Requiring Welfare Recipients Be Screened For Drug Abuse…
Because it's not a solution to the actual problem ya nitwits, it's just another viscerally pleasing attempt at gaining simpletons votes.

So we take them off welfare and then what? Jobs magically appear? They magically become better parents and support their children? They become 'job creators'?
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How far should a government go to insulate people from their decision-making?
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RE: Indiana House Passes Bill Requiring Welfare Recipients Be Screened For Drug Abuse…
And people wonder why the war on drugs is not working. It's a crime to sell illegal drugs. It's a crime to buy illegal drugs. It's a crime to use illegal drugs. So what do we do? We hand out money to people who could be selling, buying and using illegal drugs.

No one is putting a gun to the heads of people who want Welfare.
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(01-30-2014 03:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 03:40 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:51 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:46 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 02:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm no legal expert but I think it's going to come down to how it's done. Here in Texas, you have to fill out papers, if those papers reveal probably cause then the test can be given. However, there is something illegal about testing everyone without probable cause.

In much the same way, Obamcare isn't testing everyone, they are simply going by information that is volunteered.

They can randomly test students in public schools. What exactly is the difference?

I know here they post signs at the schools...when you enter you are willingly giving up your right to protection from search and seizure.

I don't see how that can be legal.

They can't post signs at welfare offices?

I already said I don't see how that can be legal...

Ugh, jesus people do we really need to go over how children in school have long been held to a different standard when it comes to their civil liberties? Teachers are government agents, and because they're ostensibly responsible for the safety and the edification of the students in their classrooms, they are granted rights not given to other government employees.

I can call a government employee about any name I want to without any real recourse by the state, but kids can be forced into detention. Thems the facts.
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(01-30-2014 03:49 PM)Smaug Wrote:  How far should a government go to insulate people from their decision-making?

I'm not doing it out of some dignified response to human suffering, I'm doing it because kicking drug addicts off of welfare isn't a smart thing to do, from a safety and pragmatic standpoint. Not only does it create a class of very desperate and very poor people, it punishes those peoples children. Unless we're going to say that a single failed drug test should remove all parental rights and make them wards of the state, which is absurd, all you're doing is hurting the child for being the kid of that worthless f*ck-up.

Add to that the sheer idiocy of the 'if they're not desperate and starving, how will they be motivated to work?' line of thinking.
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I'm not hurting the child, the worthless f*ck up is hurting the child.
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(01-30-2014 03:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(01-30-2014 03:49 PM)Smaug Wrote:  How far should a government go to insulate people from their decision-making?

I'm not doing it out of some dignified response to human suffering, I'm doing it because kicking drug addicts off of welfare isn't a smart thing to do, from a safety and pragmatic standpoint. Not only does it create a class of very desperate and very poor people, it punishes those peoples children. Unless we're going to say that a single failed drug test should remove all parental rights and make them wards of the state, which is absurd, all you're doing is hurting the child for being the kid of that worthless f*ck-up.

Add to that the sheer idiocy of the 'if they're not desperate and starving, how will they be motivated to work?' line of thinking.

If I didn't know better I'd say you're OK with unemployed Welfare drug addicts with kids continuing to be unemployed Welfare drug addicts with kids at our expense. I'd also say you don't seem to mind drug addicts having kids and continuing to be drug addicts. Should drug addicts even have kids? Where is CPS when we need them?
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