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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
Yeah, ESPN would never be able to see any rules passed that they prefer. Keep thinking that they could go that far.

Kansas's rights are a short term investment not a long term one. ESPN are the inside traders. They know what will be happening and they purchased something that they know the value is about to go up on.
02-07-2014 07:19 AM
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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
To get back on track the SEC could go to 16 out of the Big 12 with any of these combinations:

Texas and Oklahoma

Oklahoma and Kansas

Texas and Oklahoma State

Oklahoma and Kansas State

Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas minus one present SEC member.

Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State minus one present member.

Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas State minus one present SEC member.

Texas, Oklahoma State and Kansas State minus one present SEC member.

Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor minus one present SEC member.

Maybe there are one or two other acceptable combinations, but T.C.U. is out of any mix that includes one of Texas, Oklahoma, or Oklahoma State. Baylor is only in the mix if Texas and Oklahoma are the other two.

Texas Tech is a fine school which is too far away, but if Texas insisted they might get in the mix.

Think about those everyone (except 10th I already know what you think.)
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Obviously I don't want the burnt orange cancer or their lap dog minions ruining this conference.

But more importantly, I think that doubling up in TX (Austin is now the highest SEC viewership rate in the state) and no market OK is a vastly inferior choice to doing whatever it takes to land a VA and NC ACC school and thereby increase the footprint by 18 million new people, the equivalent of adding a second Florida to the ranks.

IMO a western strategy is simply not preferable to an eastern one based on pure numbers.
02-08-2014 12:31 AM
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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
Well unlike the angry G5 posters on the CS & CR board, and the N.D. supporters who think everyone ought to be independent in spite of the fact that not many athletic programs (maybe a dozen or so) can make it on their own, and a few guys living in the past that want to return to conferences of 8 contrary to all of the remaining reasons driving consolidation, I do think we will move to at least 3, possibly 4 conferences of 16. Then depending upon profitability, academic association, political factors, or the need to defray any lawsuits I think we will gradually see some conferences of up to 18. But as long as there are 4 conferences I don't see any of us going to 20. The PAC is the one conference that may stay at 12, or just expand to 14, although they too could choose to go to 16. The networks are driving all of this and structure is much more important to them than to the conferences per se.

I think the ACC will be safe and will only get closer in relationship with the SEC. This will happen because of our shared culture, our political relationships on the Southern end of the ACC, and because it pleases ESPN. If the ACC can reach economic parity (within reason) to the Big 10 then we will stay at 4 conferences unless the PAC can't keep pace.

That is part of why I think the SEC, ACC, and Big 10 will expand to no more than 16 out of the Big 12 whether that is in 2 years or longer, depending upon what the PAC chooses to do, or is paid to do.

If we stay at 5 conferences for a while it is just a transitional phase until consolidation to 4 conferences may legally take place. The earning disparity for the bottom 7 of the Big 12 will drive the change inevitably more so than the desires of the top 3 who all have alternative contracts to keep them competitive.
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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
(02-08-2014 12:31 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Obviously I don't want the burnt orange cancer or their lap dog minions ruining this conference.

But more importantly, I think that doubling up in TX (Austin is now the highest SEC viewership rate in the state) and no market OK is a vastly inferior choice to doing whatever it takes to land a VA and NC ACC school and thereby increase the footprint by 18 million new people, the equivalent of adding a second Florida to the ranks.

IMO a western strategy is simply not preferable to an eastern one based on pure numbers.


26 Million is a lot of people and a lot of TV sets. If Texas alone can gain 8 to 10 million TV viewers in Tejas, it would be more viewers than Carolina could deliver in North Carolina.
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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
(02-09-2014 03:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-08-2014 12:31 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Obviously I don't want the burnt orange cancer or their lap dog minions ruining this conference.

But more importantly, I think that doubling up in TX (Austin is now the highest SEC viewership rate in the state) and no market OK is a vastly inferior choice to doing whatever it takes to land a VA and NC ACC school and thereby increase the footprint by 18 million new people, the equivalent of adding a second Florida to the ranks.

IMO a western strategy is simply not preferable to an eastern one based on pure numbers.


26 Million is a lot of people and a lot of TV sets. If Texas alone can gain 8 to 10 million TV viewers in Tejas, it would be more viewers than Carolina could deliver in North Carolina.

And that doesn't include their national audience, or those who might follow Oklahoma should the Sooners come with them. It is also more viewers than Kansas and Oklahoma would deliver together. But with the Sooners in addition you really deliver the region.
02-09-2014 04:29 PM
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(02-09-2014 04:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2014 03:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-08-2014 12:31 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Obviously I don't want the burnt orange cancer or their lap dog minions ruining this conference.

But more importantly, I think that doubling up in TX (Austin is now the highest SEC viewership rate in the state) and no market OK is a vastly inferior choice to doing whatever it takes to land a VA and NC ACC school and thereby increase the footprint by 18 million new people, the equivalent of adding a second Florida to the ranks.

IMO a western strategy is simply not preferable to an eastern one based on pure numbers.


26 Million is a lot of people and a lot of TV sets. If Texas alone can gain 8 to 10 million TV viewers in Tejas, it would be more viewers than Carolina could deliver in North Carolina.

And that doesn't include their national audience, or those who might follow Oklahoma should the Sooners come with them. It is also more viewers than Kansas and Oklahoma would deliver together. But with the Sooners in addition you really deliver the region.

Oklahoma is like adding another Texas school without adding another Texas school. They are popular in Texas, especially in DFW. If you can just get them to drop the OSU tag-a-long they would be perfect. OU, Arkansas and A&M would make UT fans want the SEC. Those are their 3 big traditional rivals.
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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
(02-09-2014 08:01 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  
(02-09-2014 04:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-09-2014 03:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-08-2014 12:31 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Obviously I don't want the burnt orange cancer or their lap dog minions ruining this conference.

But more importantly, I think that doubling up in TX (Austin is now the highest SEC viewership rate in the state) and no market OK is a vastly inferior choice to doing whatever it takes to land a VA and NC ACC school and thereby increase the footprint by 18 million new people, the equivalent of adding a second Florida to the ranks.

IMO a western strategy is simply not preferable to an eastern one based on pure numbers.


26 Million is a lot of people and a lot of TV sets. If Texas alone can gain 8 to 10 million TV viewers in Tejas, it would be more viewers than Carolina could deliver in North Carolina.

And that doesn't include their national audience, or those who might follow Oklahoma should the Sooners come with them. It is also more viewers than Kansas and Oklahoma would deliver together. But with the Sooners in addition you really deliver the region.

Oklahoma is like adding another Texas school without adding another Texas school. They are popular in Texas, especially in DFW. If you can just get them to drop the OSU tag-a-long they would be perfect. OU, Arkansas and A&M would make UT fans want the SEC. Those are their 3 big traditional rivals.

I agree totally. In 1992 the goal was Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Arkansas in the West and Clemson and Florida State in the East. Clemson was ambivalent at best so we took South Carolina who was happy. Florida State switched on us at the last moment so we took just Arkansas because A&M and Texas got locked down in state politics and Oklahoma wasn't coming without Texas. So in a way when we added Missouri and A&M the goal was always to get Oklahoma, and Texas if they would come. Boone Pickens is what has made it difficult. OSU has come a heckuva long way since 1992.
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You can add Tech and Baylor to that list too. They will never let UT just walk away from them. Too much of their money and security is wrapped up in being in the same conference as UT (it's the only thing that gets a kid to choose Tech or Baylor over schools like UNT, UH and TXST)

The SEC isn't going to waste precious expansion slots on 2-3 redundant schools that bring nothing of value.
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RE: 16 Team Realignment Scenarios? As If This Hasn't Been Done Before
If when the time comes ESPN tries to land Texas and Oklahoma and they want to place them in the SEC here is what the West would look like:

Arkansas, L.S.U., Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

The SEC East would be familiarly reminiscent of the old SEC:

Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Even if Texas were to head to the SEC for an N.D. style deal just replace them in the line up Kansas or Kansas State and its still pretty darned solid.

While I'm not claiming that this will be the eventual line up I think you can certainly see how it would be attractive and convenient travel wise for Texas and Oklahoma.
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NOW I see why you want western expansion so badly vs eastern, you want expansion that will push Auburn back into the east with UGA, TN and UF!

Case solved!

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