(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:43 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:32 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  I want retributions for their training.

Retribution? or Restitution?

Reparations, actually.


However, this is a very ignorant story from Johnson. Having ancestors from 150 years ago doesn't make you a faster, more athletic runner.

Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:43 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:32 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  I want retributions for their training.

Retribution? or Restitution?

Reparations, actually.


However, this is a very ignorant story from Johnson. Having ancestors from 150 years ago doesn't make you a faster, more athletic runner.

Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:43 AM)Hitch Wrote:  Retribution? or Restitution?

Reparations, actually.


However, this is a very ignorant story from Johnson. Having ancestors from 150 years ago doesn't make you a faster, more athletic runner.

Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

Jerry Rice's kid may be more athletic than yours or mine but not because Jerry Rice worked out but because of what the kid inherited in his genes.

If I work out for the next year and become a body builder there is no connection to my kid. My kid won't be a muscle head thanks to my lifting.

Didn't Chris Rock do a bit on this? Saying the NBA and NFL are proof of natural selection.

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:43 AM)Hitch Wrote:  Retribution? or Restitution?

Reparations, actually.


However, this is a very ignorant story from Johnson. Having ancestors from 150 years ago doesn't make you a faster, more athletic runner.

Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see how it all fits in. You could work on a farm you're whole life and have a kid that doesn't do anything and that kid isn't going to be as tough or hard labor willed as that farm working father he had. As far as my kids and JR's, I was the fastest guy on my baseball team AND football team which was about a 50/50 ethnic ratio, and I was a running back so that may not be true.

Edit: My nephew has flat feet and runs like a duck, my kids have arched feet like mine so they will probably run fast like me, or faster, once I teach them to stride like I was taught.

(01-27-2014 11:49 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Jimmy?

yes he did.. and he got fired for saying it.

(01-27-2014 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Reparations, actually.


However, this is a very ignorant story from Johnson. Having ancestors from 150 years ago doesn't make you a faster, more athletic runner.

Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

Jerry Rice's kid may be more athletic than yours or mine but not because Jerry Rice worked out but because of what the kid inherited in his genes.

If I work out for the next year and become a body builder there is no connection to my kid. My kid won't be a muscle head thanks to my lifting.

I bet Jerry Rice's grandfather was faster and more athletic than your grandfather and that had nothing to do with Jerry working out.

(01-27-2014 01:31 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

Jerry Rice's kid may be more athletic than yours or mine but not because Jerry Rice worked out but because of what the kid inherited in his genes.

If I work out for the next year and become a body builder there is no connection to my kid. My kid won't be a muscle head thanks to my lifting.

I bet Jerry Rice's grandfather was faster and more athletic than your grandfather and that had nothing to do with Jerry working out.

That's my point, its based on genetics not experience. You made it out as if experience would impact children; it doesn't in the slightest.

(01-27-2014 01:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:50 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Reparations, actually.


However, this is a very ignorant story from Johnson. Having ancestors from 150 years ago doesn't make you a faster, more athletic runner.

Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see how it all fits in. You could work on a farm you're whole life and have a kid that doesn't do anything and that kid isn't going to be as tough or hard labor willed as that farm working father he had. As far as my kids and JR's, I was the fastest guy on my baseball team AND football team which was about a 50/50 ethnic ratio, and I was a running back so that may not be true.

Edit: My nephew has flat feet and runs like a duck, my kids have arched feet like mine so they will probably run fast like me, or faster, once I teach them to stride like I was taught.

Just because you look the way to do today, doesn't mean that your descendants will look like you. Environment plays a huge role in the way we look and perform. Part genetics, part environment.

If MJ is right, blacks will be terrible athletes by 2100.

The only exercising the millennial blacks do is run from the popo or play knockout.

(01-27-2014 01:45 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  If MJ is right, blacks will be terrible athletes by 2100.

The only exercising the millennial blacks do is run from the popo or play knockout.

Comment of the day.

(01-27-2014 01:45 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  If MJ is right, blacks will be terrible athletes by 2100.

The only exercising the millennial blacks do is run from the popo or play knockout.

Still going in the first round though.

(01-27-2014 01:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:31 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

Jerry Rice's kid may be more athletic than yours or mine but not because Jerry Rice worked out but because of what the kid inherited in his genes.

If I work out for the next year and become a body builder there is no connection to my kid. My kid won't be a muscle head thanks to my lifting.

I bet Jerry Rice's grandfather was faster and more athletic than your grandfather and that had nothing to do with Jerry working out.

That's my point, its based on genetics not experience. You made it out as if experience would impact children; it doesn't in the slightest.

Environment plays a big role.

(01-27-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 11:54 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Is there any truth to it though? You don't see many of our best basketball and football players coming directly from Africa and you cannot deny that, generally speaking with exceptions, blacks in America are naturally better athletes.

Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see how it all fits in. You could work on a farm you're whole life and have a kid that doesn't do anything and that kid isn't going to be as tough or hard labor willed as that farm working father he had. As far as my kids and JR's, I was the fastest guy on my baseball team AND football team which was about a 50/50 ethnic ratio, and I was a running back so that may not be true.

Edit: My nephew has flat feet and runs like a duck, my kids have arched feet like mine so they will probably run fast like me, or faster, once I teach them to stride like I was taught.

Just because you look the way to do today, doesn't mean that your descendants will look like you. Environment plays a huge role in the way we look and perform. Part genetics, part environment.

Yep, and I'm from the South, where the best athletes are bred. My 11 year old can already throw a perfect, accurate spiral almost 40 yards (rainbow arched of course) with a High School sized football, and he likes to tuck and run when pressured.

(01-27-2014 01:49 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:03 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Besides basketball all around, the only athletic department blacks clearly win is in running and jumping. I can't explain the science, but I don't think it comes from slavery.

It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see how it all fits in. You could work on a farm you're whole life and have a kid that doesn't do anything and that kid isn't going to be as tough or hard labor willed as that farm working father he had. As far as my kids and JR's, I was the fastest guy on my baseball team AND football team which was about a 50/50 ethnic ratio, and I was a running back so that may not be true.

Edit: My nephew has flat feet and runs like a duck, my kids have arched feet like mine so they will probably run fast like me, or faster, once I teach them to stride like I was taught.

Just because you look the way to do today, doesn't mean that your descendants will look like you. Environment plays a huge role in the way we look and perform. Part genetics, part environment.

Yep, and I'm from the South, where the best athletes are bred. My 11 year old can already throw a perfect, accurate spiral almost 40 yards (rainbow arched of course) with a High School sized football, and he likes to tuck and run when pressured.

That's because he can go outside now instead of trying to keep warm.

The reason is because it's warmer year round, so there is more activity year round and there are more blacks.

(01-27-2014 01:49 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:32 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:31 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

Jerry Rice's kid may be more athletic than yours or mine but not because Jerry Rice worked out but because of what the kid inherited in his genes.

If I work out for the next year and become a body builder there is no connection to my kid. My kid won't be a muscle head thanks to my lifting.

I bet Jerry Rice's grandfather was faster and more athletic than your grandfather and that had nothing to do with Jerry working out.

That's my point, its based on genetics not experience. You made it out as if experience would impact children; it doesn't in the slightest.

Environment plays a big role.

Environment and your parents environment are two different things.

Your kid won't know anything about dentistry out of the womb even if every person in your family for the last 500 years was one.

(01-27-2014 01:53 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:49 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 01:06 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  It doesn't come from slavery, it comes from generations of physical activity(whatever you want to call it). White Americans in general are more athletic than their British relatives. Jerry Rice's kid most likely will be faster and more athletic than your kid.

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see how it all fits in. You could work on a farm you're whole life and have a kid that doesn't do anything and that kid isn't going to be as tough or hard labor willed as that farm working father he had. As far as my kids and JR's, I was the fastest guy on my baseball team AND football team which was about a 50/50 ethnic ratio, and I was a running back so that may not be true.

Edit: My nephew has flat feet and runs like a duck, my kids have arched feet like mine so they will probably run fast like me, or faster, once I teach them to stride like I was taught.

Just because you look the way to do today, doesn't mean that your descendants will look like you. Environment plays a huge role in the way we look and perform. Part genetics, part environment.

Yep, and I'm from the South, where the best athletes are bred. My 11 year old can already throw a perfect, accurate spiral almost 40 yards (rainbow arched of course) with a High School sized football, and he likes to tuck and run when pressured.

That's because he can go outside now instead of trying to keep warm.

The reason is because it's warmer year round, so there is more activity year round and there are more blacks.

Shiiiit, not this winter... Global Warming really put a hurting on us. The average temp this year is about 28 degrees down here.

(01-27-2014 11:31 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Oldish story, but worthy of discussion:

Quote:Four-time gold medalist Michael Johnson believes the question of why black athletes dominate Olympic sprint competitions shouldn't be taboo. In the lead-up to the London Games, he's trying to broach the controversial topic.

Johnson, who recently had his lineage traced back to West Africa as part of a British documentary, told the Daily Mail that slavery has "left an imprint through the generations."

The eight men who ran in the 100-meter finals -- all African-American or African-Caribbean -- in Beijing are believed to have been descended from slaves, according to the documentary.

"Difficult as it was to hear," Johnson said, "slavery has benefited descendants like me. I believe there is a superior athletic gene in us."

The Daily Mail explains:

Some scientists believe a combination of selective breeding by slave owners and appalling conditions meant that only the strongest slaves endured, creating a group predisposed to record-breaking athletic performance.

African slaves underwent a rigorous selection process and only the fittest were transported on ships.

Johnson's views on the genetics of slavery and his allusions to eugenics have been mostly ignored in the United States. The interview with the Daily Mail was published last Wednesday and barely made ripples across the pond. For good reason: It's a third rail topic in the states. Even intelligent debate on the subject runs the risk of becoming controversial. Any statement is treated as polarizing.

The comments section on the Daily Mail piece is a fine example. Either Johnson is a hero for bringing his views to light or he's ignorant for his "trash" beliefs. There's no middle ground in a topic like this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-f...--oly.html

Complete nonsense. You can't breed humans to get desired attributes in less than 300 years.

(01-27-2014 02:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Complete nonsense. You can't breed humans to get desired attributes in less than 300 years.

You missed the point, again

(01-27-2014 02:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-27-2014 02:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Complete nonsense. You can't breed humans to get desired attributes in less than 300 years.

You missed the point, again

There is no point. It's completely racist to believe that black athletes are better because of slavery.