My opinion is we'll never know. Too many factors. Same with whether Frank was a good idea or not. No way to measure it against any control.

(01-26-2014 11:32 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Actually, 7% does justify my theory....36.5% would put us at #88, as opposed to #290 out of 294 at the time Fran was let go. That 7% would equate to an extra 3 points per game...would be the difference in losing to Florida

We were shooting 36-37% 3PT% during the 2011-2012 seasons while Frank was our S&C Coach. Please explain why Frank's training methods were the problem this season...did he change his training methods this season vs the prior two seasons as our coach or did they remain constant? If his training methods remained constant, then I don't see the logical explanation for his training methods as the reason for the change in 3PT % this season. I would expect 3PT% to remain constant along with his training methods.

(01-27-2014 03:50 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:32 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Actually, 7% does justify my theory....36.5% would put us at #88, as opposed to #290 out of 294 at the time Fran was let go. That 7% would equate to an extra 3 points per game...would be the difference in losing to Florida

We were shooting 36-37% 3PT% during the 2011-2012 seasons while Frank was our S&C Coach. Why was Frank the problem this season...did he alter his training methods this season vs the prior two seasons as our coach? If he did not alter his methods, then I don't see the logical explanation for his training methods as the reason for the drop off in 3PT %, rather I see them as just an easy scapegoat.

Thank you.

(01-26-2014 06:48 PM)holyterror Wrote:  Just ask Wilt. His problem may have been too many women, tho, come to think...

I think it was drake and zeke that did the math to check his claims, some 7-8 years ago.

I remember them mentioning that it'd have to have been something like a different lady every day from age 20 till death and a hat trick every sunday...
fwiw

(01-26-2014 08:44 PM)TigeRM Wrote:  Part of the problem is in the mechanics of shooting the free throw. A free throw should start in the legs and finish with a follow through. This is not happening with some of our players.

No doubt, and it drives me nuts when kids with so much athletic ability miss free throws. I guess I'm getting old.

(01-26-2014 08:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 06:25 PM)dan o Wrote:  So why are we still abysmal at the free throw line?

Ask Calipari. He started it.

To be serious for a moment, they asked Pastner on camera today. He said he had no idea, that he had tried everything he could think of to address it. Cal obviously never figured it out either.

I think it's a matter of concentration, stamina, and psychology. Probably the only one who can fix it is each individual player.

Caligula still has that problem at Ky.

(01-27-2014 10:02 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 08:33 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 06:25 PM)dan o Wrote:  So why are we still abysmal at the free throw line?

Ask Calipari. He started it.

To be serious for a moment, they asked Pastner on camera today. He said he had no idea, that he had tried everything he could think of to address it. Cal obviously never figured it out either.

I think it's a matter of concentration, stamina, and psychology. Probably the only one who can fix it is each individual player.

Caligula still has that problem at Ky.

Caligula, nice reference i'd have an issue wuth free throws after a ring in the >>>

(01-26-2014 05:48 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  Pastner said that the training Frank Matrisciano was using on the Tigers, was making them too tired to jump high enough on their 3's. I think he was right, and the numbers back it up.

Since Frank Matrisciano was let go, the 3 point % has improved by 7.15%.

First 6 games 32.2%
Next 7 games 26.9% 29.3% up till that point

Next 7 games 36.5%, after Frank was let go.
Season Total 30.4%

You see that as the season went on, the 3 point % decreased....after Frank was let go, it increased....seems that Pastner was right.

Hope the upward trend continues.

Actually, if you are saying that 3 point shooting has improved from 29.35% to 36.5%, then the 3 point shooting has improved by ~24.4%, not 7.15%. This is a dramatic improvement, equivalent of making one extra attempt per every 4 shots.

I think you could not ask for a better training regimen than Frank has developed in the off season. All of his accolades have come from his off season training of high caliber players. Unfortunately off season training is quite different from training during the season and I don't think Frank fully grasped that concept.

(01-27-2014 02:44 AM)TigerJJ Wrote:  I don't think the poor 3 point shooting can or can't be attributed to tired legs. There are a number of factors involved: more open shots, better mechanics, more concentration, more confidence, etc. I don't think we'll ever know. My personal opinion is that tired legs was not the reason for the poor shooting.

I agree with the better shot selection because of the ball movement.

AND I disagree. Tired legs is one of the greatest culprits. When your legs are tired you usually tend to jump without bending you knees. The same goes with free throws, using your legs by bending your knees give you more of a vertical arc, thus concentration on the front of the rim and flipping your wrist results in made baskets. Help the guys out when they are on the free throw line shout "Bend Your Knees, Flip your wrist" but do it before they shoot. My whole section has started doing it call me superstitious.
GO TIGERS

The bottom line, Frank was the greatest thing since sliced bread while he was here ...

Now that he's gone, he was holding us back. How come I'm not shocked ...

(01-28-2014 08:30 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  The bottom line, Frank was the greatest thing since sliced bread while he was here ...

Now that he's gone, he was holding us back. How come I'm not shocked ...

because it is a fan template