What law(s) did McDonnel break?

(01-23-2014 09:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  What law(s) did McDonnel break?

Election fraud - supporting Democrats by not distributing RNC money to Cuccinelli's campaign.

(01-23-2014 09:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  What law(s) did McDonnel break?

According to the feds (innocent until proven guilty): Wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, obtaining property under color of official right (using his office to get loot), giving false statement, and obstruction of an official proceeding.

(01-23-2014 08:43 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 09:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  What law(s) did McDonnel break?

According to the feds (innocent until proven guilty): Wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, obtaining property under color of official right (using his office to get loot), giving false statement, and obstruction of an official proceeding.

My big brother taught me when I was in about the 3rd or 4th grade that no matter what happens, deny everything. Caught red handed, deny, deny, deny. "It wasn't me, I didn't do it. I don't know what happened." It really served me well as a kid.

I think this is the problem with so many people in adulthood. They think that what worked as a kid makes sense as a grownup. As I said on the Christie thread, if you mess with the Feds they will hound you to the end of the earth. You just can't lie to a US Attorney and expect not to pay a heavy price.

(01-23-2014 09:40 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 08:43 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 09:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  What law(s) did McDonnel break?

According to the feds (innocent until proven guilty): Wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, obtaining property under color of official right (using his office to get loot), giving false statement, and obstruction of an official proceeding.

My big brother taught me when I was in about the 3rd or 4th grade that no matter what happens, deny everything. Caught red handed, deny, deny, deny. "It wasn't me, I didn't do it. I don't know what happened." It really served me well as a kid.

I think this is the problem with so many people in adulthood. They think that what worked as a kid makes sense as a grownup. As I said on the Christie thread, if you mess with the Feds they will hound you to the end of the earth. You just can't lie to a US Attorney and expect not to pay a heavy price.

If we could just get that US Attorney to do some hounding.

(01-23-2014 08:43 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 09:32 AM)VA49er Wrote:  What law(s) did McDonnel break?

According to the feds (innocent until proven guilty): Wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, obtaining property under color of official right (using his office to get loot), giving false statement, and obstruction of an official proceeding.

Thanks for the info. Those indictments are merely allegations and not proof of any wrong doing. Having said that, if found guilty, he should be prosecuted as should anyone that breaks the law in such a manner.

Political posturing.

Quote:The motion for discovery — a request for recordings of communications between the prosecutors and grand jury — said, among other things, that if the conduct McDonnell is accused of is illegal, then both President Barack Obama and Sen. Tim Kaine, McDonnell's Democratic predecessor as governor, are also guilty.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/politics/...1217.story

Quote:Both pleaded not guilty on the 14 corruption counts federal prosecutors filed against them earlier this week. Their jury trial will begin July 28, Judge James R. Spencer announced, and is expected to last five or six weeks.

If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.

They got the guy to help pay for their daughter's wedding! Now that is just plain sorry. Even if they weasel their way out of these charges that is one heck of a indictment on their character.

He's not the caricature mslsd and that maddow fella would make him out to be.

(01-26-2014 11:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  They got the guy to help pay for their daughter's wedding! Now that is just plain sorry. Even if they weasel their way out of these charges that is one heck of a indictment on their character.

Can you start commented only on the stories that you know something about please?

2 separate issues. Don't get me wrong - I hope he does time, but you have no clue what you're talking about.

(01-26-2014 11:31 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  They got the guy to help pay for their daughter's wedding! Now that is just plain sorry. Even if they weasel their way out of these charges that is one heck of a indictment on their character.

Can you start commented only on the stories that you know something about please?

2 separate issues. Don't get me wrong - I hope he does time, but you have no clue what you're talking about.

He is accused of receiving a Rolex watch, use of a Ferrari, and having part of his daughter's wedding paid for by this businessman. How is that not correct?

So what exactly am I missing? The fact that the laws in Virginia aren't very strict when it comes to gifts to politicians? Sure he might not be convicted, but there seems to be little dispute that Jonnie Williams showered the Governor's family with gifts while at the same time sought a business advantage.


$15,000 catering bill that Williams paid for the 2011 wedding of McDonnell’s daughter at Virginia’s historic Executive Mansion.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/f...story.html

A prominent political donor purchased a Rolex watch for Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell, according to two people with knowledge of the gift, and the governor did not disclose it in his annual financial filings.

The $6,500 luxury watch was provided by wealthy businessman Jonnie R. Williams Sr., the people said. He is the chief executive of dietary supplement manufacturer Star Scientific and the person who paid for catering at the wedding of the governor’s daughter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/d...story.html

Former Virginia governor Robert F. McDonnell and his wife, Maureen, were charged Tuesday with illegally accepting gifts, luxury vacations and large loans from a wealthy Richmond area businessman who sought special treatment from state government.

Authorities allege that for nearly two years, the McDonnells repeatedly asked executive Jonnie R. Williams Sr. for loans and gifts of money, clothes, golf fees and equipment, trips, and private plane rides. The gifts and loans totaled at least $165,000.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virg...story.html

(01-26-2014 11:40 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:31 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  They got the guy to help pay for their daughter's wedding! Now that is just plain sorry. Even if they weasel their way out of these charges that is one heck of a indictment on their character.

Can you start commented only on the stories that you know something about please?

2 separate issues. Don't get me wrong - I hope he does time, but you have no clue what you're talking about.

He is accused of receiving a Rolex watch, use of a Ferrari, and having part of his daughter's wedding paid for by this businessman. How is that not correct?

The loan for his wife's business loan was originally the argument, which has been re-payed.

I guess changing the argument isn't beyond Eric Holder, but initially the catering bill wasn't a big deal.

(01-26-2014 04:48 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:40 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:31 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:17 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  They got the guy to help pay for their daughter's wedding! Now that is just plain sorry. Even if they weasel their way out of these charges that is one heck of a indictment on their character.

Can you start commented only on the stories that you know something about please?

2 separate issues. Don't get me wrong - I hope he does time, but you have no clue what you're talking about.

He is accused of receiving a Rolex watch, use of a Ferrari, and having part of his daughter's wedding paid for by this businessman. How is that not correct?

The loan for his wife's business loan was originally the argument, which has been re-payed.

I guess changing the argument isn't beyond Eric Holder, but initially the catering bill wasn't a big deal.

At least $165k is a big deal. You don't really think Williams was doing this out of the goodness of his heart do you?

What I want to know is where he got the money to pay back the "loans".

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