(02-01-2014 11:53 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:47 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:45 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:40 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  How would USF-UCF be a "cross-division" rival? -__-

Or actually any of the first 5 games mentioned?

They would be in the same division for all sports....I don't understand your ?.

I think his question was in reference to the OP, not your division line-up.

Yea, it was directed at the OP

Ya the cross-division rival thing didn't make sense to me either. And Villanova was listed in 2 cross-divisional rivalries, while UCONN wasn't included...

(02-01-2014 11:30 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  To keep up with "division 4" expenses coming down the pike, I'm hoping say espn, CBS and Directv-sports (root) agree to a joint tv contract of a best-of-the-rest mega-AAC.

$3MM/yr from both espn and CBS and $1.5MM/yr from dtv/root where espn, CBS and dtv agree to go in joint venture creating an all-sports AAC channel where dtv gives espn/CBS sweetheart deals on there channel lineup....this also allows dtv to expand subscriber bases across the entire country as root/AAC-Network would be demanded in all our footprints/DMAs.

We'd have to get approval from this new "div4" governing body to set up our divisions without having to play cross divisi games unless we want to. ( this limits travel to what we pretty much have now).

East blue division:

Army (FB-only)
Umass
UCONN
Temple
Marshall
Cincy
UCF
USF

East red div:

Navy (FB-only)
Odu
Uncc
ECU
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Houston

West blue div:

Tulsa
SMU
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico
Air force
Colo st
Wyo

West red div:

Hawaii (FB-only)
Fresno
San Diego
UNLV
Nevada
Boise
Utah st
BYU



For basketball, we have two 15 team divisons with only wichita st as a non-FB member. We'd play 14 games in division and 2 cross divison games, home & away, verse: 1e vs 1w, 2e vs 2w, 3e vs 3w and so on toward the end of the regular season to beef up our top teams' rpi....sort of our intra-conference bracket busters.


Crazy, I know...hence my name. ;P

SMU and Tulsa would get an extra travel bonus annually.

As we all know---I'm a huge supporter of the national G5 conference. But you have way too many uneeded teams in here to make it work--the money wont be big enough to support all those schools. Needs to be culled down to 16-24 total teams. 18-20 is probably the best. If pods were approved (with a 4 team internal conference playoff, then 24 would be ok---four 6-team pods). This proposal needs to be trimmed way back. Basically add Army and 5 MW teams to the AAC and you have it. Most of the population is in the east, thus the conference should have an eastern tilt--but with enough MW schools to be viable. You could tack on UMass and VCU as non-football additions to balance the Army/Navy football-only schools (on top of the 16-24).

(02-01-2014 11:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:30 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  To keep up with "division 4" expenses coming down the pike, I'm hoping say espn, CBS and Directv-sports (root) agree to a joint tv contract of a best-of-the-rest mega-AAC.

$3MM/yr from both espn and CBS and $1.5MM/yr from dtv/root where espn, CBS and dtv agree to go in joint venture creating an all-sports AAC channel where dtv gives espn/CBS sweetheart deals on there channel lineup....this also allows dtv to expand subscriber bases across the entire country as root/AAC-Network would be demanded in all our footprints/DMAs.

We'd have to get approval from this new "div4" governing body to set up our divisions without having to play cross divisi games unless we want to. ( this limits travel to what we pretty much have now).

East blue division:

Army (FB-only)
Umass
UCONN
Temple
Marshall
Cincy
UCF
USF

East red div:

Navy (FB-only)
Odu
Uncc
ECU
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Houston

West blue div:

Tulsa
SMU
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico
Air force
Colo st
Wyo

West red div:

Hawaii (FB-only)
Fresno
San Diego
UNLV
Nevada
Boise
Utah st
BYU



For basketball, we have two 15 team divisons with only wichita st as a non-FB member. We'd play 14 games in division and 2 cross divison games, home & away, verse: 1e vs 1w, 2e vs 2w, 3e vs 3w and so on toward the end of the regular season to beef up our top teams' rpi....sort of our intra-conference bracket busters.


Crazy, I know...hence my name. ;P

SMU and Tulsa would get an extra travel bonus annually.

What was the criteria in determining the 32 teams?

A number of things depending on the school.

poo poo some of the mw schools I added (only nixed san jose...crappy attendance)....but all mw teams have very good basketball and football is all top for g5 and we'd need a large western time zone continent anyway.

utep good basketball and strong fanbase for a medium market.

utsa, good dma and high ceiling and can only get better in basketball.

usm has good basketball and strong football tradition.

Marshall = football following (somewhat nationally, really).

odu/charlotte = dma's and good basketball with football will only get better.

umass = basketball

byu = byu

all 3 military academies!!!

who'd I miss?

(02-01-2014 12:49 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:49 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 11:30 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  To keep up with "division 4" expenses coming down the pike, I'm hoping say espn, CBS and Directv-sports (root) agree to a joint tv contract of a best-of-the-rest mega-AAC.

$3MM/yr from both espn and CBS and $1.5MM/yr from dtv/root where espn, CBS and dtv agree to go in joint venture creating an all-sports AAC channel where dtv gives espn/CBS sweetheart deals on there channel lineup....this also allows dtv to expand subscriber bases across the entire country as root/AAC-Network would be demanded in all our footprints/DMAs.

We'd have to get approval from this new "div4" governing body to set up our divisions without having to play cross divisi games unless we want to. ( this limits travel to what we pretty much have now).

East blue division:

Army (FB-only)
Umass
UCONN
Temple
Marshall
Cincy
UCF
USF

East red div:

Navy (FB-only)
Odu
Uncc
ECU
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Houston

West blue div:

Tulsa
SMU
UTSA
UTEP
New Mexico
Air force
Colo st
Wyo

West red div:

Hawaii (FB-only)
Fresno
San Diego
UNLV
Nevada
Boise
Utah st
BYU



For basketball, we have two 15 team divisons with only wichita st as a non-FB member. We'd play 14 games in division and 2 cross divison games, home & away, verse: 1e vs 1w, 2e vs 2w, 3e vs 3w and so on toward the end of the regular season to beef up our top teams' rpi....sort of our intra-conference bracket busters.


Crazy, I know...hence my name. ;P

SMU and Tulsa would get an extra travel bonus annually.

What was the criteria in determining the 32 teams?

A number of things depending on the school.

poo poo some of the mw schools I added (only nixed san jose...crappy attendance)....but all mw teams have very good basketball and football is all top for g5 and we'd need a large western time zone continent anyway.

utep good basketball and strong fanbase for a medium market.

utsa, good dma and high ceiling and can only get better in basketball.

usm has good basketball and strong football tradition.

Marshall = football following (somewhat nationally, really).

odu/charlotte = dma's and good basketball with football will only get better.

umass = basketball

byu = byu

all 3 military academies!!!

who'd I miss?

Nix Nevada, Utah state, Hawai'i, utep, utsa, southern miss, odu, uncc, Marshall, and umass. Those are unnecessary adds that only hinder our progress. It's more than just sport performance that goes into an addition (hence Tulane over usm for example)

Programs need to have proven investment in facilities and on the field performance. They need at least decent academics, or compensate adequately in another field, they need market, and they need potential, as well as (and this is important) deep pockets. Look at the endowment of Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane for example. Those three schools probably have more combined wealth than the entire MWC

Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

(02-01-2014 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

We could (and should) do that now.

(02-01-2014 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

We could (and should) do that now.

NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

We could (and should) do that now.

NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

Did anyone ever make a poll about whether we should add Olympic sports-only members? Public opinion seems pretty split, but I'd like to see how the numbers actually fall on this board.

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

We could (and should) do that now.

NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

We could (and should) do that now.

NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

VCU and WSU at the least, have the same fan support as memphis, if their BBall program is any indication...

On a not so unrelated side note, Rams and Shockers are unique to the conference! Though they are both black and gold / yellow

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  VCU and WSU at the least, have the same fan support as memphis, if their BBall program is any indication...

not even close.

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take VCU, WSU, and 1 more bb school. We would end with a nice all around league.

We could (and should) do that now.

NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

Mean like Villanova?

Even Univ Presidents can't be fully trusted...let alone a Commissioner as some would even fight for Div I-AA program with almost no support as long as they were a Basketball/Olympic member....

That's why you don't even allow that option and/or attract basketball only (Olympic sport schools), as you could have a Villanova/UMASS football "problem".

(02-02-2014 12:54 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  We could (and should) do that now.

NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

Mean like Villanova?

Even Univ Presidents can't be fully trusted...let alone a Commissioner as some would even fight for Div I-AA program with almost no support as long as they were a Basketball/Olympic member....

That's why you don't even allow that option and/or attract basketball only (Olympic sport schools), as you could have a Villanova/UMASS football "problem".

How is that a problem? If in the future a VCU type non-football AAC member wanted to join as a football playing member, you vote them down---just like they did with Nova. Unless the football schools want them, it ain't going to happen. Three "yes" votes out of 15 is a losing vote for expansion last time I checked. If a school like VCU were to be added in football, it would be because a majority of the FOOTBALL playing schools voted FOR it. The irrational fear of non-football members is totally out of control in some of you guys.

(02-02-2014 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 12:54 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

Mean like Villanova?

Even Univ Presidents can't be fully trusted...let alone a Commissioner as some would even fight for Div I-AA program with almost no support as long as they were a Basketball/Olympic member....

That's why you don't even allow that option and/or attract basketball only (Olympic sport schools), as you could have a Villanova/UMASS football "problem".

How is that a problem? If in the future a VCU type non-football AAC member wanted to join as a football playing member, you vote them down---just like they did with Nova. Unless the football schools want them, it ain't going to happen. Three "yes" votes out of 15 is a losing vote for expansion last time I checked. If a school like VCU were to be added in football, it would be because a majority of the FOOTBALL playing schools voted FOR it. The irrational fear of non-football members is totally out of control in some of you guys.

I don't want non fb members but if thats the direction we go, we might as well have tired to retain Gtown, Nova, Marquette, etc. Those guys kill anybody you all have thrown out.

Wichita State is better served joining a conference like the Big East or A-10 that caters to its wants and needs. We need to do what is needed to not get left behind and die a slow football death. Adding Wichita State is like waving a white flag, saying that we know we can't do anything for our football so we're just going to focus on having a good basketball conference.

Ultimately, I think the only way the G5 are going survive in the long run is for the strongest programs to get together and form a best of the rest type conference. This means the biggest G5 all-sports names with the best athletic budgets, attendance, and history of success. Wichita State just doesn't fit into this model, which is why I don't agree with their inclusion (or VCU or UMASS or any other Olympic sports-only additions).

(02-02-2014 01:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 12:54 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

Mean like Villanova?

Even Univ Presidents can't be fully trusted...let alone a Commissioner as some would even fight for Div I-AA program with almost no support as long as they were a Basketball/Olympic member....

That's why you don't even allow that option and/or attract basketball only (Olympic sport schools), as you could have a Villanova/UMASS football "problem".

How is that a problem? If in the future a VCU type non-football AAC member wanted to join as a football playing member, you vote them down---just like they did with Nova. Unless the football schools want them, it ain't going to happen. Three "yes" votes out of 15 is a losing vote for expansion last time I checked. If a school like VCU were to be added in football, it would be because a majority of the FOOTBALL playing schools voted FOR it. The irrational fear of non-football members is totally out of control in some of you guys.

I don't want non fb members but if thats the direction we go, we might as well have tired to retain Gtown, Nova, Marquette, etc. Those guys kill anybody you all have thrown out.

They didn't want to be retained. That's like saying we shouldn't have added UCF, Navy, and Houston, we should have just held onto Pitt, Syracuse, and W Virginia. They wanted to leave and they did. There was no way to "retain" them short of dropping FBS football and continuing as a Olympic-sports league.

The C7 created a new Big East by replacing Louisville, Cinci, and UConn with teams like Butler and Xavier. I don't think they are as good, but they got 4 million a school for that. I'd say adding a Olympic members like VCU and UMass should allow us to make OUR basketball more valuable as well. I'd say we could take as many as 3 A-10 members to bolster basketball to the point of being every bit as valuable as the C7's new Big East membership. As it is, we are looking a 5 NCAA bids---and that's with one of our better program suffering through an off year (Temple).

You are wrong. Non-football school degrade the league.

(02-02-2014 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 12:54 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 01:55 PM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  NO. 3 basketball schools? SLOWLY but surely we'd end up how the Big East ended.

12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

Mean like Villanova?

Even Univ Presidents can't be fully trusted...let alone a Commissioner as some would even fight for Div I-AA program with almost no support as long as they were a Basketball/Olympic member....

That's why you don't even allow that option and/or attract basketball only (Olympic sport schools), as you could have a Villanova/UMASS football "problem".

How is that a problem? If in the future a VCU type non-football AAC member wanted to join as a football playing member, you vote them down---just like they did with Nova. Unless the football schools want them, it ain't going to happen. Three "yes" votes out of 15 is a losing vote for expansion last time I checked. If a school like VCU were to be added in football, it would be because a majority of the FOOTBALL playing schools voted FOR it. The irrational fear of non-football members is totally out of control in some of you guys.

(02-02-2014 02:04 PM)eastside cat Wrote:  You are wrong. Non-football school degrade the league.

(02-02-2014 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-02-2014 12:54 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-01-2014 02:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  12 FB schools and 3 Olympic schools. Being the old big east would be a compliment. They did pretty well over the decades.

3 basketball schools would have zero impact on FB and enhance hoops.

If anything, i'd much rather bring in BB only schools with the stipulation that if they can get a decent FBS program going they will get inclusion.

Mean like Villanova?

Even Univ Presidents can't be fully trusted...let alone a Commissioner as some would even fight for Div I-AA program with almost no support as long as they were a Basketball/Olympic member....

That's why you don't even allow that option and/or attract basketball only (Olympic sport schools), as you could have a Villanova/UMASS football "problem".

How is that a problem? If in the future a VCU type non-football AAC member wanted to join as a football playing member, you vote them down---just like they did with Nova. Unless the football schools want them, it ain't going to happen. Three "yes" votes out of 15 is a losing vote for expansion last time I checked. If a school like VCU were to be added in football, it would be because a majority of the FOOTBALL playing schools voted FOR it. The irrational fear of non-football members is totally out of control in some of you guys.

Non-football schools cannot degrade the football league. Only members who actually play FBS football can degrade the football league. The football league will be what the football teams make it.

(01-26-2014 05:43 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  What I like about these adds is the interest and regional markets.

What could ODU bring that Georgetown couldn't do better? Outside of football interest, Georgetown has the advantage in basketball prestige, name prestige, endowment, market, and more.

V'nova injects even more interest in the Philly market, and brings everything that G'town does. Of the options of UMass, USM, ODU, UNCC, UTSA, UNM, UNLV, Fresno State, SDSU, Boise and the private eastern schools, I take the private eastern schools 99 times out of 100.

Georgetown will never offer FBS football. That much I can say with certainty.

They have no FBS-quality stadium and no room for building one. There isn't any local interest in them having one. In short, they not only fit the Big East profile, they define it.

(02-02-2014 04:37 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Georgetown will never offer FBS football. That much I can say with certainty.

They have no FBS-quality stadium and no room for building one. There isn't any local interest in them having one. In short, they not only fit the Big East profile, they define it.

Georgetown's facilities, parking & access are inadequate for D1 lacrosse.
I can't believe the Patriot League accepts them for football.

DC college football "fans" don't even turn out for Maryland in the ACC=>B1G, located inside the Beltway.