(01-26-2014 09:31 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  As long as no one leaves the B12, I think they are set for at least a couple of years. Until they get near renewal time there is no reason to do anything. If they are going to add it makes sense to do it 1 to 3 years before TV is due to be renewed. You bring the in at 1/2 rate and champ game will pay for 2 new schools. You likely can crack open early negotiations with new schools on board without any risk of losing $$.

I can see the Big 12 losing Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. The American adding Iowa State, , TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia.

(01-26-2014 09:38 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 09:31 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  As long as no one leaves the B12, I think they are set for at least a couple of years. Until they get near renewal time there is no reason to do anything. If they are going to add it makes sense to do it 1 to 3 years before TV is due to be renewed. You bring the in at 1/2 rate and champ game will pay for 2 new schools. You likely can crack open early negotiations with new schools on board without any risk of losing $$.

I can see the Big 12 losing Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State. The American adding Iowa State, , TCU, Baylor, and West Virginia.

I think that this is the group the PAC makes a play for at some point.

It would allow them to keep their current divisions so all the traditional PAC schools have their Cali access while adding a new 6 team division that brings them the coveted CTZ divisions for their coastal/mountain teams to play games in.


The rest are SOL because none of the current power conferences want/have need of them.

Their only hope is that the B1G and SEC respond to the PAC by raiding the ACC to get themselves to 16/18 each which will force the ACC and B12 remnants together, possibly with a promoted American team or two.

ACC would just grab WVU and Cincinnati to 16 and ND. No one's leaving after filling in the gaps . If Pac goes to 18 We bring in UConn and or Baylor/TCU or Navy.

when your low man on totumpole, u better be looking for ways to expand to improve your brand,
or you'll be looking for UNLV & Tulane to save your a$$

(01-26-2014 10:16 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  ACC would just grab WVU and Cincinnati to 16 and ND. No one's leaving after filling in the gaps . If Pac goes to 18 We bring in UConn and or Baylor/TCU or Navy.

So you think B1G would stand pat in your scenario? I guess that's just as likely as anything else here, but my money would be on the B1G grabbing a few ACC properties if the PAC grabs the better B12 names.

(01-25-2014 10:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:35 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  For the sake of this board, please stop all these crazy threads. The Big 12 is not expanding any TIME SOON.

Thank you.

Finally! Another sane person.

When is Oklahoma's announcement to the the B1G? I heard you are bringing along Kansas, Houston and Tulane.

(01-25-2014 05:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The results of the Maryland case might trigger round 2

I'm getting no indication it will be in Maryland's favor.

I do think 18 might be the new key number for leagues instead of the much thought 16. If you go with 18, than you can break off into 3 pods of 6 and play a 5-2-2 format. Than you can have a 2 game playoff of the 3 pod winners the first 2 weeks of december with one team getting a bye. Who does each league target to get to 18?

PAc 12: texas, texas tech, OU, Ok state, KU, Kan state
big 10: 4 ACC school's to pod with rutgers, maryland.
SEC: could east with 4 from UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NC state or west Texas, Tex Tech, OU, OK state

I don't see the acc or big 12 going for the 18 format. Rather those 2 leagues should go for the 24 or 28 team format in a merger to find off the other leagues going to the 18 team format. As for the big 10, I like them adding UVA, GTech, FSU and one from unc, vtech or syracuse to get 3 pods of 6. Yet, if they can pull those school's in going to 3 pods of 7 might be the end game.

(01-26-2014 11:09 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 05:54 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The results of the Maryland case might trigger round 2

I'm getting no indication it will be in Maryland's favor.

That's because they won't know until it's actually decided---which will never happen. The ACC can't afford to lose. They will settle. They have to. Thier case is not that good. The only advantage the ACC has is time---and they may not even have that.

(01-26-2014 11:33 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I do think 18 might be the new key number for leagues instead of the much thought 16. If you go with 18, than you can break off into 3 pods of 6 and play a 5-2-2 format. Than you can have a 2 game playoff of the 3 pod winners the first 2 weeks of december with one team getting a bye. Who does each league target to get to 18?

PAc 12: texas, texas tech, OU, Ok state, KU, Kan state
big 10: 4 ACC school's to pod with rutgers, maryland.
SEC: could east with 4 from UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NC state or west Texas, Tex Tech, OU, OK state

I don't see the acc or big 12 going for the 18 format. Rather those 2 leagues should go for the 24 or 28 team format in a merger to find off the other leagues going to the 18 team format. As for the big 10, I like them adding UVA, GTech, FSU and one from unc, vtech or syracuse to get 3 pods of 6. Yet, if they can pull those school's in going to 3 pods of 7 might be the end game.

We want Penn State to be in an Eastern division, whether it be three or four divisions, that doesn't change the basic premise.

That means if we are going to 18 in The Big Ten, it wont be with just Eastern expansion. If you think all those Big 12 schools are excited with the prospect of going West, then you are mistaken. They were willing to do it when it was the only offer on the table. When it no longer is, then the PAC is in a very bad position when it comes to making a sales pitch.

This Big XII is more stable than the ACC. It's not even a contest.

The acc is a strong as UVA and UNC desire to remain, which i think is pretty strong no matter how much money the big 10 or sec throw at them + you always got the chance ND maybe putting their football program in the acc to stop movements. Ditto the big 12 as strong as texas, ou and kU stick around. I would guess KU is gone if they ever get a big 10 invite. OU is gone with a big 10 invite and probably gone if the sec or pac 12 invite ou and ok state. I do think if the ball gets rolling with the big 10, you can really roll into all the way to 40 teams of 4 divisions of 10, basically pretty hard to pick a stopping point if things get cracked. Also, such a setup basically is a split from the ncaa with the league acting as the ncaa. I don't' think a pac 18 with Ku, KSU, OU, OSU, Texas and texas tech is that bad of deal for those school's. The pac 12 does have the advantage over of the big 10 of keeping together state school as a package ala texas-texas tech, ou-osu, ku-ksu. A pac 20 concept might be better with 2 leagues under one banner with just football champ game being the tie. I'd guess right now its just a big ? how things finish. THe present setup doesn't work though. Either the big 10, sec, and pac 12 need to finish off the big 12 and acc or the big 12 and acc need to have football only merger. Thus, you can get 4 paths to a playoff. You got a lot of agenda's clashing in how things get finished.

(01-26-2014 01:29 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This Big XII is more stable than the ACC. It's not even a contest.

hmmmm based on what? Your opinion?


Between the B12 and the ACC which one has had more teams bail on them in the past five years? That should tell you something right there.

B12 will not add anyone outside of the P5 (ACC really). Ten teams works or fails. If it fails the B12 comes apart. If they do expand to 12 due to playoff pressure (with non P5 schools) to have a CCG, look for UT, KU, and OU and probably OSU, WVU, and TTU to leave once the GoR is not an obstacle.

I think the time zone problem will hurt the PAC in landing schools unless they go big and invite 6-8 so that most of the games played by the ex-B12 schools are in the CST. It would make it hard on Texas, OU, and KU to leave their little brothers behind and go to the B1G or SEC if that offer is on the table. Plus, you need 8 schools to dissolve the conference. Probably have to add ISU and Baylor or TCU unless you can get the SEC/B1G/ACC to take a couple.

KU and OU, IMO, would jump at a B1G invite if they get one and the GoR is no longer an obstacle. I am sure they would be doing their best to get Texas on board the B1G train as well. I feel that the B1G will go to 18 or 20 if they can get all 3.

OU has a lot of options if they are willing to leave OSU behind, but so far they have not been willing to.

Who knows what Texas would do. They have so many options. Be interesting to see if OU and Texas stick together if things come apart. They might even team up with ND and create their own conference from the best of the ACC and B12 plus a few schools outside those conferences. The ND/UT relationship bears watching.

(01-26-2014 05:25 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 01:29 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This Big XII is more stable than the ACC. It's not even a contest.

hmmmm based on what? Your opinion?


Between the B12 and the ACC which one has had more teams bail on them in the past five years? That should tell you something right there.

The ACC schools obviously like their conference more than the B12 schools liked their conference. Question is will the financial pressure the ACC will feel much more than the B12 in the next few years be enough to crack that solidarity before the B12 schools conference dissatisfaction cracks the B12.

Both conferences have 2 schools that if one leaves the conference will come apart. If either FSU or especially UNC leave the ACC it will bleed schools. If OU or especially Texas leave the B12, it will bleed schools. IMO, I think UNC and UT like being kings of their conferences and will hold out as long as possible. FSU and OU would be willing to leave for the right conference; however, OU has the most options, either alone or paired with KU, of the two (SEC/PAC/B1G). Therefore, right now I think the B12 is more vulnerable than the ACC. That could change if the ACC/UMD case changes the ACC status quo.

We can't go ONE DAMN DAY WITHOUT THIS DAMN THING BEING TALKED ABOUT...DAMN

the only conf that could go to 18 is the B-12, to get CCG, the biggest prize out there is Conn.
Conn & Cin would get B-12 CCG, The orginal B-12 schools are gonna balk about not be included with Tex schools.
bring 6 more eastern schools give conf even split, div sign their media deal & doesn't cost B-12 schools any money.
20 million market bump would help LHN, which stabilizes conf.

(01-25-2014 11:51 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 10:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:35 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  For the sake of this board, please stop all these crazy threads. The Big 12 is not expanding any TIME SOON.

Thank you.

Finally! Another sane person.

Yep. When there are worthy candidates who improve our footprint, increase our revenue and bring some things we lost with Nebraska, we might expand.

There are no candidates already existing within a p5 conference with those attributes that would move to the b12. The b12 looks to be the weakest of the p5. If there is any expansion for the b12 forthcoming, it's coming from the AAC. Of course half of the AAC schools bring more to the table than some existing b12 schools.

(01-27-2014 07:13 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 11:51 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(01-25-2014 10:45 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-24-2014 05:35 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  For the sake of this board, please stop all these crazy threads. The Big 12 is not expanding any TIME SOON.

Thank you.

Finally! Another sane person.

Yep. When there are worthy candidates who improve our footprint, increase our revenue and bring some things we lost with Nebraska, we might expand.

There are no candidates already existing within a p5 conference with those attributes that would move to the b12. The b12 looks to be the weakest of the p5. If there is any expansion for the b12 forthcoming, it's coming from the AAC. Of course half of the AAC schools bring more to the table than some existing b12 schools.

I am constantly amazed at the poor perception some of the B12 schools seem to have with some posters on this board.
Prey tell which B12 schools are so lowly that HALF of the AAC schools bring more to the table?
Enlighten me.
Nothing against the AAC but that's just plain silly.

West Virginia would join the ACC in a New York minute if asked.

Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State would join the Big 10 in a New York minute if asked.

That is all you need to know about the Big 12's stability!