Interesting to see how the conference shakes out here. All the FB member schools are listed among the top 200 research schools, while only 2 (ND & Georgetown) non FB members make the list. The most often mentioned expansion candidates have UCF, Memphis, and Temple making the list. ECU and Marshall did not.

BEFC Schools
#24 - Pitt
#51 - Rutgers
#53 - Cinci
#62 - USF
#74 - UConn
#114 - Louisville
#117 WVU
#149 - Syracuse

BE Schools

#106 - Georgetown
#137 - Notre Dame

Expansion candidates
#121 - UCF
#135 - Temple
#167 - Memphis

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf06323/pdf/tab30.pdf

I was suprised to see Cinci and USF ranked so high in the conference. For those who like to question why they were added, this may help to explain it.

Shannon Panther Wrote:BEFC Schools
#24 - Pitt

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf06323/pdf/tab30.pdf

Did you guys figure out how to run faster yet ???

Shannon Panther Wrote:I was suprised to see Cinci and USF ranked so high in the conference. For those who like to question why they were added, this may help to explain it.

What - you mean football attendance was not the sole criteria for gaining entry into the Big East Conference? How can this be? A lot of people seem to think that it's the only thing that counts. ;-) :shhh:

Do these rankings look really off to anyone else?

I mean 50 year old schools like UCF and USF ahead of Notre Dame?! Many public schools over older big money private schools?

Quote:[quote="st932253"]Do these rankings look really off to anyone else?

I mean 50 year old schools like UCF and USF ahead of Notre Dame?! Many public schools over older big money private schools?

Maybe it simply means that being old and private does not necessarily equal being a better research institution. By the way, a list of schools playing in bowls the last 3 years in a row + winning at least 2 NCAA basketball tournament games + making that list of research institutions would be rather small wouldn't it? And even smaller if for those who WON their bowl game and made it to the Elite 8.

st932253 Wrote:Do these rankings look really off to anyone else?

I mean 50 year old schools like UCF and USF ahead of Notre Dame?! Many public schools over older big money private schools?

Notre Dame is dedicated to education of it's students vs research. Not all schools are research universities. I posted the information because it shows the similarities in mission the FB schools have vs the non FB schools. It also provides some some insight into what other factors besides athletics might go into any future expansion decisions.

bearcatfan Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:I was suprised to see Cinci and USF ranked so high in the conference. For those who like to question why they were added, this may help to explain it.

What - you mean football attendance was not the sole criteria for gaining entry into the Big East Conference? How can this be? A lot of people seem to think that it's the only thing that counts. ;-) :shhh:

And you think university research had anything to do with it? Seriously?

3601 Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:I was suprised to see Cinci and USF ranked so high in the conference. For those who like to question why they were added, this may help to explain it.

What - you mean football attendance was not the sole criteria for gaining entry into the Big East Conference? How can this be? A lot of people seem to think that it's the only thing that counts. ;-) :shhh:

And you think university research was an important criteria? Seriously? If so, you're naive.

Wait until UCF opens the medical school next year. You will see UCF take money from every other state school in Florida.

Shannon Panther Wrote:

st932253 Wrote:Do these rankings look really off to anyone else?

I mean 50 year old schools like UCF and USF ahead of Notre Dame?! Many public schools over older big money private schools?

Notre Dame is dedicated to education of it's students vs research. Not all schools are research universities. I posted the information because it shows the similarities in mission the FB schools have vs the non FB schools. It also provides some some insight into what other factors besides athletics might go into any future expansion decisions.

I was going to point out the same thing about ND's focus. I've also heard (from the few ND alumni I have known) that one thing keeping ND and the Big Televen apart is this focus. The Big Televen would want ND to place more emphasis on research.

Sir Galahad Wrote:Wait until UCF opens the medical school next year. You will see UCF take money from every other state school in Florida.

lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao

99Tiger Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:

st932253 Wrote:Do these rankings look really off to anyone else?

I mean 50 year old schools like UCF and USF ahead of Notre Dame?! Many public schools over older big money private schools?

Notre Dame is dedicated to education of it's students vs research. Not all schools are research universities. I posted the information because it shows the similarities in mission the FB schools have vs the non FB schools. It also provides some some insight into what other factors besides athletics might go into any future expansion decisions.

I was going to point out the same thing about ND's focus. I've also heard (from the few ND alumni I have known) that one thing keeping ND and the Big Televen apart is this focus. The Big Televen would want ND to place more emphasis on research.

I find it hard to believe that is the reason that ND has declined overtures from the Big 10.

3601 Wrote:I find it hard to believe that is the reason that ND has declined overtures from the Big 10.

I never stated that was the reason...just what I've heard from ND alums.

USFMike Wrote:

Sir Galahad Wrote:Wait until UCF opens the medical school next year. You will see UCF take money from every other state school in Florida.

lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao

Sadly, he's spot on. With the limited resources available for education in the state of Florida, the fact that they've now agreed to open two brand new medical schools - schools that will almost certainly take 20 years to become financially stable and self-sustaining - will result in less state money being available to all of the other state schools. The decision to green light those schools was fiscally irresponsible, and the ramifications will be felt almost immediately.

USFFan

Sir Galahad Wrote:Wait until UCF opens the medical school next year. You will see UCF take money from every other state school in Florida.

How?

Do you think UCF is going to just open their doors and earn peer reviewed funding?

Not a flame but you really have no idea who the process works.

usffan Wrote:

USFMike Wrote:

Sir Galahad Wrote:Wait until UCF opens the medical school next year. You will see UCF take money from every other state school in Florida.

lmfao lmfao lmfao lmfao

Sadly, he's spot on. With the limited resources available for education in the state of Florida, the fact that they've now agreed to open two brand new medical schools - schools that will almost certainly take 20 years to become financially stable and self-sustaining - will result in less state money being available to all of the other state schools. The decision to green light those schools was fiscally irresponsible, and the ramifications will be felt almost immediately.

USFFan

I guess if you look at that from the State Funding point of view I guess he is right. UCF is going to get some state funding that would otherwise go to the 3 other medical schools prior to the recent startups at FAU, FIU and UCF.

However, we both know that you have to earn your reputation by winning peer reviewed funding. If he thinks UCF is going to improve their status with state funding he really has no idea about how the process works. Especially nowadays when less than 1 and 10 grants are getting funded.

BTW...it wont be long before USF breaks into that Top 50 national public research school barrier. There is A LOT of optimism on campus about the future. What Frank Borkowski started has really taken hold...

I won't act as if I know much about this but, every school seems to specialize in something, for UF, it's cancer and burns, for USF it appears to be alzheimerslth and cancer and so on. I am not sure what UCF will try to specialize in, but with the possible Vererans hospital being built next to UCF's medical school, I expect UCF do to very well, quickly.

Quote:but with the possible Vererans hospital being built next to UCF's medical school,

Do they still have the VA hospital in Orlando next to where the base was? I was stationed at the base there right before it shutdown.

3601 Wrote:

bearcatfan Wrote:

Shannon Panther Wrote:I was suprised to see Cinci and USF ranked so high in the conference. For those who like to question why they were added, this may help to explain it.

What - you mean football attendance was not the sole criteria for gaining entry into the Big East Conference? How can this be? A lot of people seem to think that it's the only thing that counts. ;-) :shhh:

And you think university research had anything to do with it? Seriously?

dork.

Expansion candidates
#121 - UCF
#135 - Temple
#167 - Memphis

Shannon Panther, Glad to see you don't list ECU as an expansion candidate but what position did they hold on the list?