(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  You also listed *PRIVATE* schools. The first Amendment is first and foremost a prohibition on *GOVERNMENT* not private employers.

/thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

(01-21-2014 03:19 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Now it's your turn Torchy.

My turn at what?

Torchy
Here's another http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...e-petition This was pretty sickening.

More on Charleston Southern http://www.newnownext.com/student-inspir...y/09/2013/

Pensacola Christian (they are the worst ones) actually just expelled a student for not turning in someone who was Gay http://www.change.org/petitions/pensacol...l-students

Westmount http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/16/...t-20110216

California Baptist http://www.towleroad.com/2013/10/califor...d-her.html

I can keep going if you want.

(01-21-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Torchy
Here's another http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...e-petition This was pretty sickening.

More on Charleston Southern http://www.newnownext.com/student-inspir...y/09/2013/

Pensacola Christian (they are the worst ones) actually just expelled a student for not turning in someone who was Gay http://www.change.org/petitions/pensacol...l-students

Westmount http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/16/...t-20110216

California Baptist http://www.towleroad.com/2013/10/califor...d-her.html

I can keep going if you want.

Still waiting for non privately controlled entities here..

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  You also listed *PRIVATE* schools. The first Amendment is first and foremost a prohibition on *GOVERNMENT* not private employers.

/thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars. Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple. Its not just student loans. Its bricks and mortar. Its grants. Not just to the students, but to the schools.

(01-21-2014 03:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Torchy
Here's another http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/...e-petition This was pretty sickening.

More on Charleston Southern http://www.newnownext.com/student-inspir...y/09/2013/

Pensacola Christian (they are the worst ones) actually just expelled a student for not turning in someone who was Gay http://www.change.org/petitions/pensacol...l-students

Westmount http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/16/...t-20110216

California Baptist http://www.towleroad.com/2013/10/califor...d-her.html

I can keep going if you want.

Still waiting for non privately controlled entities here..

And proof that his examples are taking gov't funding.

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  You also listed *PRIVATE* schools. The first Amendment is first and foremost a prohibition on *GOVERNMENT* not private employers.

/thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars. Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

I don't like my money going to Planned Parenthood.

(01-21-2014 03:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  /thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars. Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

I don't like my money going to Planned Parenthood.

But Planned Parenthood doesn't discriminate in the provision of services. Lots of Christians get health care there (by the way, PP is a major provider of non-birth control health services).

There's a difference.

Back to the OT. A Murdoch owned, far right wing paper, said that leftist college administrators squelch free speech and used a study that included PRIVATE colleges. But its obvious that right wing colleges were not included in this study.

I'd argue that there is way more anti-moderate/progressive bias in college education today than the other way round. Its time that these, unfortunately not rare, and not unique cases of right wing abuse of freedom of speech and association be aired.

(01-21-2014 03:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars. Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

I don't like my money going to Planned Parenthood.

But Planned Parenthood doesn't discriminate in the provision of services. Lots of Christians get health care there (by the way, PP is a major provider of non-birth control health services).

There's a difference.

Not in the sense that we simply don't like the way they operate. I don't like how PP discriminates against children's lives.

My point is we all pay for crap we don't like, support, or think is fair etc.

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  You also listed *PRIVATE* schools. The first Amendment is first and foremost a prohibition on *GOVERNMENT* not private employers.

/thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars.

No, they're expelling students for breaking the rules. It's that simple.

Quote: Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

Curiously, when I say that about public school dollars, it's met w/ disdain from leftists. So which is it tom?

Quote: Its not just student loans. Its bricks and mortar. Its grants. Not just to the students, but to the schools.

That's where it gets unclear to me. I know that may alma mater stopped taking gov't funds (other than student loans) to avoid these issues. That was 30 years ago.

So your claims may or may not have some merit, but they're not universal.

(01-21-2014 03:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars. Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

I don't like my money going to Planned Parenthood.

But Planned Parenthood doesn't discriminate in the provision of services. Lots of Christians get health care there (by the way, PP is a major provider of non-birth control health services).

There's a difference.

Not in the sense that we simply don't like the way they operate. I don't like how PP discriminates against children's lives.

My point is we all pay for crap we don't like, support, or think is fair etc.

But at least you aren't being discriminated against at PP, like I would be at Samford University with taxpayer subsidies. (By the way, Samford is actually - gasp - pretty liberal - when it comes to a SBC school, but still is really discriminatory).

Yea, but the OT says that "Leftist college administrators squelch free speech". My entire point is that right wing schools do the same thing, perhaps even worse. And there are way more right wing schools than left wing ones.

(01-21-2014 03:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  /thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars.

No, they're expelling students for breaking the rules. It's that simple.

Quote: Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

Curiously, when I say that about public school dollars, it's met w/ disdain from leftists. So which is it tom?

Quote: Its not just student loans. Its bricks and mortar. Its grants. Not just to the students, but to the schools.

That's where it gets unclear to me. I know that may alma mater stopped taking gov't funds (other than student loans) to avoid these issues. That was 30 years ago.

So your claims may or may not have some merit, but they're not universal.

How are the public schools discriminating? Do they ban Fundamentalists from attending? No. Do they ban fundamentalists from employment? No. Do they fire/expel employees/students for going to church? No.

Do the right wing schools discriminate? Yes. Do they ban Gays and non-Christians from attending/employment? Some do. Do they fire/expel employees/students for being openly Gay? Some do.

Do they both take direct taxpayer dollars? YES.

As far as I know, only 2 schools have walked away from TAXPAYER funding (College of the Cumberlands is heavily subsidized by state taxpayers in KY, btw). Pensacola Christian and Bob Jones.

(01-21-2014 03:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:53 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars.

No, they're expelling students for breaking the rules. It's that simple.

Quote: Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

Curiously, when I say that about public school dollars, it's met w/ disdain from leftists. So which is it tom?

Quote: Its not just student loans. Its bricks and mortar. Its grants. Not just to the students, but to the schools.

That's where it gets unclear to me. I know that may alma mater stopped taking gov't funds (other than student loans) to avoid these issues. That was 30 years ago.

So your claims may or may not have some merit, but they're not universal.

How are the public schools discriminating? Do they ban Fundamentalists from attending? No. Do they ban fundamentalists from employment? No. Do they fire/expel employees/students for going to church? No.

Yes, they actually do. You just don't care to read about it, or perhaps you delight in it. Nevertheless, that is exactly what this thread referenced, and you paid it no credence, rather you reacted w/ a sofar unsubstantiated claim.

Quote:Do the right wing schools discriminate? Yes. Do they ban Gays and non-Christians from attending/employment? Some do. Do they fire/expel employees/students for being openly Gay? Some do.

Wait, so Christian schools are now required to employ non-Christians? Your logic is warped.

Quote:Do they both take direct taxpayer dollars? YES.

As far as I know, only 2 schools have walked away from TAXPAYER funding (College of the Cumberlands is heavily subsidized by state taxpayers in KY, btw). Pensacola Christian and Bob Jones.

*shrug* As far as you know. Maybe you don't know nearly as much as you claim. As I mentioned, my alma mater foresaw this 30 years ago and reacted. It was no secret, so I believe others did as well.

(01-21-2014 03:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:20 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 03:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 02:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:22 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  You also listed *PRIVATE* schools. The first Amendment is first and foremost a prohibition on *GOVERNMENT* not private employers.

/thread

But we still subsidize those schools. (open) thread.

This is why i distrust liberals... They want the government to provide everything for everyone while at the same time seeing government provision as a reason to stifle rights...

Uh, the fact of the matter is that these schools are EXPELLING students for being Gay while at the same time taking taxpayer dollars.

When you give everyone money you *should* lose the right to tell everyone what to do... I'm not the one that wants a big government, that would be you.

Quote:Take my MONEY, don't discriminate. Its that simple.

They are not just taking your money and your wants and needs disagree with others. You're a rather self important little man aren't you..

Hey I don't like the fact anyone is getting federal dollars for private schools, or planned parenthood, or this or that.... Im all with you lets yank it all back and let the markets decide how these schools do.

(01-21-2014 03:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  (by the way, PP is a major provider of non-birth control health services).

No.