(01-21-2014 11:25 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:06 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 10:24 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Wouldn't you think Louisville is glad that didn't work out and are elated to be in the ACC?

I have never felt good about our chances in the Big XII, but since I live in Texas I would love it. They only need two. Do they want to drift over to SEC territory to make up for A&M and Missouri?

Some of the prior selections don't make sense, West Virginia?

Yes, Louisville is ecstatic with the way it worked out. If they had been given a simultaneous choice, they would have picked the ACC. And they were devastated when WVU beat them out for the B12.

I heard (don't know 100%) that WVU got in at the last minute over UL in the B12, b/c ESPN told the B12 that WVU was a more national football name, and thus was worth more as a TV property, than was Louisville, and that was enough to tip the scales away from UL.

Would you think Memphis and Cincy would satisfy the Big XII quest for more exposure into new areas? Cincy kind of ties into West VA and Memphis battles SEC.

I think Cincy has a better case than we do, for a list of reasons I don't want to take the time to type out. I think they are perhaps the clear cut front runner, if the B12 does expand.

I think after that, there are a number of schools that could be considered. We would be one of them, obviously, b/c we've definitely been talking to them on and off for a while now.

Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us.

But to answer your question, yes, if Cincy did get an invite to the B12, then that probably helps our chances, b/c of our location, and perhaps a little more b/c of our history together..

I was listening to a talk show here in Dallas while driving home one day last year, almost a year ago, and the skittle was that the Big XII was looking at Florida State, and about other ACC schools Clemson, GA Tech, and VA Tech to bring the league to 14. I think that was Chip Brown of Orangebloods, but it was a while back. It all hinged on Florida State.

That's all dead now and to be honest was a little bit of "where theres smoke theres fire" but the fire was concerning something else entirely.

I'm just guessing but after watchin KU-BU last night it just looked like the league we would fit in better with . As a matter of fact I actually thought that while watching the game .

"Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us."

... this is the sort of statement that really concerns me. That makes you very pessimistic as to the future. All the work, communication, effort, support from connected, wealthy business people - and to still be a last ditch choice.

(01-21-2014 11:49 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:25 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:06 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:00 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Yes, Louisville is ecstatic with the way it worked out. If they had been given a simultaneous choice, they would have picked the ACC. And they were devastated when WVU beat them out for the B12.

I heard (don't know 100%) that WVU got in at the last minute over UL in the B12, b/c ESPN told the B12 that WVU was a more national football name, and thus was worth more as a TV property, than was Louisville, and that was enough to tip the scales away from UL.

Would you think Memphis and Cincy would satisfy the Big XII quest for more exposure into new areas? Cincy kind of ties into West VA and Memphis battles SEC.

I think Cincy has a better case than we do, for a list of reasons I don't want to take the time to type out. I think they are perhaps the clear cut front runner, if the B12 does expand.

I think after that, there are a number of schools that could be considered. We would be one of them, obviously, b/c we've definitely been talking to them on and off for a while now.

Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us.

But to answer your question, yes, if Cincy did get an invite to the B12, then that probably helps our chances, b/c of our location, and perhaps a little more b/c of our history together..

I was listening to a talk show here in Dallas while driving home one day last year, almost a year ago, and the skittle was that the Big XII was looking at Florida State, and about other ACC schools Clemson, GA Tech, and VA Tech to bring the league to 14. I think that was Chip Brown of Orangebloods, but it was a while back. It all hinged on Florida State.

That's all dead now and to be honest was a little bit of "where theres smoke theres fire" but the fire was concerning something else entirely.

Right --- don't all the P5 conferences (except the SEC) have some sort of 'grant of rights' like thing that makes leaving hugely, if not prohibitively, expensive?

(01-21-2014 11:56 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:49 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:25 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:13 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:06 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Would you think Memphis and Cincy would satisfy the Big XII quest for more exposure into new areas? Cincy kind of ties into West VA and Memphis battles SEC.

I think Cincy has a better case than we do, for a list of reasons I don't want to take the time to type out. I think they are perhaps the clear cut front runner, if the B12 does expand.

I think after that, there are a number of schools that could be considered. We would be one of them, obviously, b/c we've definitely been talking to them on and off for a while now.

Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us.

But to answer your question, yes, if Cincy did get an invite to the B12, then that probably helps our chances, b/c of our location, and perhaps a little more b/c of our history together..

I was listening to a talk show here in Dallas while driving home one day last year, almost a year ago, and the skittle was that the Big XII was looking at Florida State, and about other ACC schools Clemson, GA Tech, and VA Tech to bring the league to 14. I think that was Chip Brown of Orangebloods, but it was a while back. It all hinged on Florida State.

That's all dead now and to be honest was a little bit of "where theres smoke theres fire" but the fire was concerning something else entirely.

Right --- don't all the P5 conferences (except the SEC) have some sort of 'grant of rights' like thing that makes leaving hugely, if not prohibitively, expensive?

except for the SEC which doesn't need a GoR.

(01-21-2014 11:54 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  "Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us."

... this is the sort of statement that really concerns me. That makes you very pessimistic as to the future. All the work, communication, effort, support from connected, wealthy business people - and to still be a last ditch choice.

Well I think we all know why --- and it wasn't the state of the basketball program. Fix football like Louisville or TCU and frankly I see no reason why we don't become them --- considering our location and 'market.'

(01-21-2014 11:54 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  "Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us."

... this is the sort of statement that really concerns me. That makes you very pessimistic as to the future. All the work, communication, effort, support from connected, wealthy business people - and to still be a last ditch choice.

Absolutely true. But for every checkmark in the negative column, there is usually a brighter side, too.

In this case, assuming it ever really came to this, the priority list for each conference is usually strikingly different. What the BE was looking for when we were invited was mostly football schools that could give them a better chance of retaining their AQ status. We all know now how misguided that idea was.

The B12, IF they ever added anybody, would not necessarily be looking for the best football school, although it is a safe assumption they would want whatever schools could give them the best bang for their buck, from a national awareness standpoint. And that normally goes back to football rep. But the B12's footprint is much different from the Big East/AAC's, too

HOWEVER, again assuming the GoRs in other conferences hold up to any legal challenges, the B12's only source of candidate schools would reside in the G5 ranks, which makes it a little easier on us.

Also, assuming the B12 stays intact, and we didn't get an invite from a watered down B12, they have enough good football schools for it not to be the ONLY factor.

I would say the all encompassing general list of G5 B12 candidates, in no particular order, would include (but not be limited to):

Cincy
UCF/USF (one or both)
UConn
Temple
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
Rice
UTEP
Colorado State
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV

I'm not going to debate the list, just wanted to throw up all the G5 schools that come to mind, with any chance whatsoever, IMO, so I can make a point, and that is:

When you compare us to THAT LIST, and not the entire universe of P5 schools, too, then we have a much better chance, b/c ALL of those have obvious flaws, when judged next to, say, FSU or Clemson.

Oh, and I omitted BYU and AFA, b/c I think those two have already had a turn at bat, and whiffed.

(01-21-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:54 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  "Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us."

... this is the sort of statement that really concerns me. That makes you very pessimistic as to the future. All the work, communication, effort, support from connected, wealthy business people - and to still be a last ditch choice.

Absolutely true. But for every checkmark in the negative column, there is usually a brighter side, too.

In this case, assuming it ever really came to this, the priority list for each conference is usually strikingly different. What the BE was looking for when we were invited was mostly football schools that could give them a better chance of retaining their AQ status. We all know now how misguided that idea was.

The B12, IF they ever added anybody, would not necessarily be looking for the best football school, although it is a safe assumption they would want whatever schools could give them the best bang for their buck, from a national awareness standpoint. And that normally goes back to football rep.

HOWEVER, again assuming the GoRs in other conferences hold up to any legal challenges, the B12's only source of candidate schools would reside in the G5 ranks, which makes it a little easier on us.

Also, assuming the B12 stays intact, and we didn't get an invite from a watered down B12, they have enough good football schools for it not to be the ONLY factor.

I would say the all encompassing general list of G5 B12 candidates, in no particular order, would include (but not be limited to):

Cincy
UCF/USF (one or both)
UConn
Temple
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
Rice
UTEP
Colorado State
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV

I'm not going to debate the list, just wanted to throw up all the G5 schools that come to mind, with any chance whatsoever, IMO, so I can make a point, and that is:

When you compare us to THAT LIST, and not the entire universe of P5 schools, too, then we have a much better chance, b/c ALL of those have obvious flaws, when judged next to, say, FSU or Clemson.

Oh, and I omitted BYU and AFA, b/c I think those two have already had a turn at bat, and whiffed.

This is almost as confusing as salary caps

(01-21-2014 12:54 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 11:54 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  "Of course, we talked on and off to the Big East for years, and turned out to be the fifth one in when we finally got the call, and only then b/c several others turned down an invitation in front of us."

... this is the sort of statement that really concerns me. That makes you very pessimistic as to the future. All the work, communication, effort, support from connected, wealthy business people - and to still be a last ditch choice.

Absolutely true. But for every checkmark in the negative column, there is usually a brighter side, too.

In this case, assuming it ever really came to this, the priority list for each conference is usually strikingly different. What the BE was looking for when we were invited was mostly football schools that could give them a better chance of retaining their AQ status. We all know now how misguided that idea was.

The B12, IF they ever added anybody, would not necessarily be looking for the best football school, although it is a safe assumption they would want whatever schools could give them the best bang for their buck, from a national awareness standpoint. And that normally goes back to football rep.

HOWEVER, again assuming the GoRs in other conferences hold up to any legal challenges, the B12's only source of candidate schools would reside in the G5 ranks, which makes it a little easier on us.

Also, assuming the B12 stays intact, and we didn't get an invite from a watered down B12, they have enough good football schools for it not to be the ONLY factor.

I would say the all encompassing general list of G5 B12 candidates, in no particular order, would include (but not be limited to):

Cincy
UCF/USF (one or both)
UConn
Temple
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
Rice
UTEP
Colorado State
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV

I'm not going to debate the list, just wanted to throw up all the G5 schools that come to mind, with any chance whatsoever, IMO, so I can make a point, and that is:

When you compare us to THAT LIST, and not the entire universe of P5 schools, too, then we have a much better chance, b/c ALL of those have obvious flaws, when judged next to, say, FSU or Clemson.

Oh, and I omitted BYU and AFA, b/c I think those two have already had a turn at bat, and whiffed.

This is almost as confusing as salary caps

Yep. Best thing to do is not worry about it, unless you really enjoy following this stuff in detail.

(01-21-2014 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Cincy
UCF/USF (one or both)
UConn
Temple
ECU
Tulane
Memphis
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
Rice
UTEP
Colorado State
Boise State
Fresno State
UNLV

That actually wouldn't be that bad of a league in and of itself.

If we get squeezed out of the P5 split off, maybe the AAC and MWC could merge and give us something like this:

East - UConn, Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincy, Memphis, Tulane
West- SDSU, Boise, Fresno, New Mexico, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, UNLV

Gives you a good group of FB (UCF, Houston, Fresno, ECU, Boise, Cincy) and the basketball would be awesome (UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, UNLV, SDSU, New Mex)

Louisville gets all the luck. Who would have thought that losing out to WVU on the Big XII invite would turn out to be a good thing?

I'm hoping for the ACC one day. Maybe, just maybe.

(01-23-2014 02:20 PM)Jordai Wrote:  I'm hoping for the ACC one day. Maybe, just maybe.

That seems like a virtual impossibility these days, although you can never say never in realignment.

(01-21-2014 06:03 PM)3601 Wrote:  Louisville gets all the luck. Who would have thought that losing out to WVU on the Big XII invite would turn out to be a good thing?

But now they're starting in a conference that's really tough at the top, with a new Head Coach and how ever much new staff. They might find themselves in the gutter of the ACC for a while.

(01-23-2014 10:58 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(01-21-2014 06:03 PM)3601 Wrote:  Louisville gets all the luck. Who would have thought that losing out to WVU on the Big XII invite would turn out to be a good thing?

But now they're starting in a conference that's really tough at the top, with a new Head Coach and how ever much new staff. They might find themselves in the gutter of the ACC for a while.

That gutter is attached to a nice house. And they will get Notre Dame every now and then

I voted Big 12 for two reasons:

1. It seems to be the only conference that will expand in the future.
2. Texas drives that bus and seems to whore itself to PAC12, B1G, and ACC. I think they'll jump some day; maybe by themselves (ACC or B1G) or perhaps taking others with them. I thought the PAC10 was going to steal 6 of the Big 12 a few years ago. That could still occur in multiples of two (expand to 14 = Texas and TTU; expand to 16 = Texas, TTU, OU, and OSU).

Time will tell.

As TripleA and others have said, the more chaos in any realignment scenario...the BETTER it is for MEMPHIS.

My dream scenario is the PAC 12 expands to 16 and takes Texas, TTu, OU, and OSU. That guts the Big 12 down to 6 and they would add at least six very quickly. Possibly MORE to guard against future raids. Using the list TripleA cited earlier; here is how I would like to see the Big 12 rebuilt/reformed into a larger national 16 team conference footprint with a balance of strong FB and BB:

EAST - UConn, WVU, Cincy, UCF, MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, Tulane
WEST -Baylor, Kansas, K-State, Iowa St, TCU, Boise State, BYU, SDSU

FB plays a 9 games conference schedule (7 in division, and rotate 2 from other division every two years H&H). Over an 8 year period, every team has played every other team at least twice. The Big 12 championship game would be bid on by Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, San Diego, and Orlando.

BB plays 14 schools each season (14 games, rotate H&H every other year) and one team is a designated rival that is played H&H each year (2 games). For RPI purposes the conference can be sure to pair the better teams against each other twice (KU/KSU, UConn/Cincy, SDSU/MEMPHIS, WVU/ISU). Big 12 BB tournament would be bid on by KC, MEMPHIS, Dallas, SLC, San Diego, New Orleans, Houston, Hartford, Cincinnati, Orlando.

I think there is another scenario or two that has been debated in the media the last year or more, that doesn't involve Texas or anybody else leaving the B12.

When the shuffling presumably stops next July, the P5 conferences will have:

SEC - 14
ACC - 14 + ND in Olympic sports
B1G - 14
P12 - 12
B12 - 10

Several boards have had discussions, and cited media reports, that the B12 might decide at some point to go to 12 and add back a CCG, as they had before they lost 4 members and added back two. Or, the converse, where the pressure or dynamics of the CFP selection process will require the P5 to all have a CCG, to eliminate any perception of an advantage or disadvantage.

And about a year ago, the B12 commish held a meeting where all the schools discussed the pros and cons of going to 12, 14 or 16. Nothing happened, but situations can always change. The B12 schools were possibly hoping FSU and Clemson or Miami would break loose from the ACC, but with the ACC's GoR, that now seems unlikely, as posted earlier.

Point is, the B12 remains the most likely conference to expand, and if they did, they would likely have to pull from the ranks of the G5. Practically every school in the AAC, and several in the MWC have been mentioned in the media, and even more on message boards, lol. And if they did expand, that would give AAC/MWC schools hope, and Texas actually could still be in the conference.

Problem is, there is no way to tell if/when they would ever pull the trigger. Meanwhile, back in the AAC, things are looking up. MUCH better than what CUSA has become...

It all depends on timing. If the call comes/stuff goes down when we're momentarily hotter than the other candidates, we're in. If it comes when someone else is having their moment, it might not be us. Having followed this stuff since we got exploded a decade ago, I've learned that you can count on nothing but fickleness and shortsightedness ruling the day.

A (crooked) real estate broker once told me, "Where there is confusion, there is profit."

Seems like a lot of folks, including TV people, must be rakin' it in.

(01-20-2014 03:07 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  We are stuck in the American.