(01-19-2014 01:41 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 09:44 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  The day they start legally paying college players to play will be the day I find another hobby. The reason i have loved college and high school sports in the past is because of the amateur status involved.

you won't have to. the thing will collapse on it's own shortly thereafter. once "pay" is allowed into the conversation, then the real argument will begin; "I want more money for my guys than they get for their guys".

there is no way high cost states won't plead "cost of living" to give their players more money. there is no way that, say, alabama will be content "paying" their guys the same thing uab pays their guys -- sheer snobbery will prevent that. there is no way someone won't drag the whole thing into federal court to make sure that minorities aren't being discriminated against -- after all, it's actual money. and for that matter, there is probably no way that this doesn't violate title ix.

it's a disaster. retards are driving the ship.

Yes!

You are talking about opening Pandora's Box for the P5 guys to find new ways to cheat. Death Penalties will make a come-back.

And talk about your basic burning the barn down to kill a mouse. They should leave well enough and just be happy with what they are getting from ESPN, Fox and the rest.

Michigan AD said only about 22 of the 126 in the FBS are breaking even or making a profit. Seems to me this is more about AD's who can't seem to budget, raise monies and live within their means. I hope they fail with what they really want to do with all this. They really do seem hellbent on killing the goose that laid all their golden egg$.

GMG!

(01-19-2014 01:47 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  Michigan AD said only about 22 of the 126 in the FBS are breaking even or making a profit. Seems to me this is more about AD's who can't seem to budget, raise monies and live within their means. I hope they fail with what they really want to do with all this. They really do seem hellbent on killing the goose that laid all their golden egg$.

GMG!

I'm willing to bet that ESPN is behind all of this. They've already got their hands in the ESPN SEC Network with more conference networks to follow.

ESPN wants to compete with the NFL by owning all the teams and conferences and by forming their own version of the NCAA.

I don't understand why people are so anti the kids getting anything for getting out there and playing, especially considering for the P5 teams they make those schools MILLIONS of dollars in revenue every single year. Jersey sales, etc etc. For example, look at how much money Texas makes off of football alone. And some don't take into account that NOT all players receive full scholarships and still have to pay for at least part of school out of their own pockets. With school and practices, how many have time to work and make money for things they need? What about those that don't have campus housing? I see nothing wrong with giving them AT LEAST something to be able to live. The schools profit from it so I don't have an issue with it. Now if NCAA football wasn't a revenue sport I would oppose it but that's just not the case.

I don't understand why people think the urge to "give the kids a little something" has anything at all to do with the kids.

(01-19-2014 04:50 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  I don't understand why people are so anti the kids getting anything for getting out there and playing, especially considering for the P5 teams they make those schools MILLIONS of dollars in revenue every single year. Jersey sales, etc etc. For example, look at how much money Texas makes off of football alone. And some don't take into account that NOT all players receive full scholarships and still have to pay for at least part of school out of their own pockets. With school and practices, how many have time to work and make money for things they need? What about those that don't have campus housing? I see nothing wrong with giving them AT LEAST something to be able to live. The schools profit from it so I don't have an issue with it. Now if NCAA football wasn't a revenue sport I would oppose it but that's just not the case.

1. The sports are supposed to be there as a revenue creation device for the universities. The money is supposed to go back to the schools to fund other functions such as building new buildings, paying teachers, funding research, decreasing tuition... etc... It's media and administration hogging the money coming in that has changed this idea. Athletes get the athletic scholarships which are not connected a great deal to their academics because they are GETTING TO GO TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE. If they can't afford to buy toothpaste let them take out a small student loan like everybody else would have to.

2. It sounds harsh but, students that don't get full athletic scholarships should have been better at their respective sports or been better in the classroom so they might have warranted some academic scholarships. Or, they need to take out loans. There are plenty of students who don't get full academic scholarships who have to take out student loans to get through school. No one gives them stipend money just because they don't have full cost of attendance payed for.

The NCAA needs to more readily give money back to the schools to improve the state of our national education system, not the state of their own (or the schools' respective sports administrations') wallets.

(01-19-2014 05:31 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 04:50 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  I don't understand why people are so anti the kids getting anything for getting out there and playing, especially considering for the P5 teams they make those schools MILLIONS of dollars in revenue every single year. Jersey sales, etc etc. For example, look at how much money Texas makes off of football alone. And some don't take into account that NOT all players receive full scholarships and still have to pay for at least part of school out of their own pockets. With school and practices, how many have time to work and make money for things they need? What about those that don't have campus housing? I see nothing wrong with giving them AT LEAST something to be able to live. The schools profit from it so I don't have an issue with it. Now if NCAA football wasn't a revenue sport I would oppose it but that's just not the case.

1. The sports are supposed to be there as a revenue creation device for the universities. The money is supposed to go back to the schools to fund other functions such as building new buildings, paying teachers, funding research, decreasing tuition... etc... It's media and administration hogging the money coming in that has changed this idea. Athletes get the athletic scholarships which are not connected a great deal to their academics because they are GETTING TO GO TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE. If they can't afford to buy toothpaste let them take out a small student loan like everybody else would have to.

2. It sounds harsh but, students that don't get full athletic scholarships should have been better at their respective sports or been better in the classroom so they might have warranted some academic scholarships. Or, they need to take out loans. There are plenty of students who don't get full academic scholarships who have to take out student loans to get through school. No one gives them stipend money just because they don't have full cost of attendance payed for.

The NCAA needs to more readily give money back to the schools to improve the state of our national education system, not the state of their own (or the schools' respective sports administrations') wallets.

Agree +1

(01-19-2014 05:31 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 04:50 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  I don't understand why people are so anti the kids getting anything for getting out there and playing, especially considering for the P5 teams they make those schools MILLIONS of dollars in revenue every single year. Jersey sales, etc etc. For example, look at how much money Texas makes off of football alone. And some don't take into account that NOT all players receive full scholarships and still have to pay for at least part of school out of their own pockets. With school and practices, how many have time to work and make money for things they need? What about those that don't have campus housing? I see nothing wrong with giving them AT LEAST something to be able to live. The schools profit from it so I don't have an issue with it. Now if NCAA football wasn't a revenue sport I would oppose it but that's just not the case.

1. The sports are supposed to be there as a revenue creation device for the universities. The money is supposed to go back to the schools to fund other functions such as building new buildings, paying teachers, funding research, decreasing tuition... etc... It's media and administration hogging the money coming in that has changed this idea. Athletes get the athletic scholarships which are not connected a great deal to their academics because they are GETTING TO GO TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE OTHERWISE. If they can't afford to buy toothpaste let them take out a small student loan like everybody else would have to.

2. It sounds harsh but, students that don't get full athletic scholarships should have been better at their respective sports or been better in the classroom so they might have warranted some academic scholarships. Or, they need to take out loans. There are plenty of students who don't get full academic scholarships who have to take out student loans to get through school. No one gives them stipend money just because they don't have full cost of attendance payed for.

The NCAA needs to more readily give money back to the schools to improve the state of our national education system, not the state of their own (or the schools' respective sports administrations') wallets.

LOL....too bad this isn't really how any of the P5 teams that actually make money work. And I didn't even bother including booster money into the equation. If it was this simple then as much of those schools wouldn't be paying those kids under the table just to get them to sign...like many of them already do.