(01-18-2014 11:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  It isn't physically addictive, but then, neither is cocaine. It is very psychologically addictive and I know from experience. I had a much harder time getting off of pot after smoking it everyday for 2 years than even cigs.

I never had any problem with withdrawn symptoms from quitting either substance. I have known those that had mild to severe withdraw from tobacco and mild withdraw from cannabis. It seems to be different from person to person...maybe some genetic predisposition for addiction?

Is this another argument for legal weed?

Nope...Just my observation. I could care less if cannabis is legalized or not. If I wanted to purchase some? I could get it safely within minutes. The law would not concern me in the slightest.

Well, it should. Not just because you're admitting people are jailed for something you find personally harmless, but because a lot of your money and peoples futures are being ruined over something that asinine.

As for the withdrawals, I have seen nothing that would imply that quitting marijuana is anymore difficult than cutting out unhealthy food.

I have posted hundreds of times in support of cannabis legalization on this forum. I am just tired of arguing about it with authoritarians.

That I understand.

Too bad neither of you guys have any idea of what you are talking about.

Please, tell me what you know about the vast harm marijuana causes our society.

This thread just made me put my first poster on ignore since joining.

I'm honestly shocked there are still people virulently against pot smoking that aren't for complete prohibition. If you're a complete teetotaler, I can see where you're coming from and I won't begin to try to change your mind. But if you think alcohol should be legal and you're a strong proponent of marijuana being illegal, I just don't get how you'd come to that conclusion without either admitting it's an arbitrary distinction you're making or just being painfully ignorant of the topic itself?

EDIT: Not to say I don't understand those of you who just don't care either way, I completely understand apathy on this subject given the pothead morons that tend to speak about it. I just don't know understand the HOO-RAH attitude some people have for enforcing such a silly law while there is an actually dangerous substance being sold legally at every store/restaurant in the nation.

What? You guys never saw the documentary "Refer Madness", which taught that; if you are going to run around with your hair on fire, carry a fire extinguisher.

(01-18-2014 03:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm honestly shocked there are still people virulently against pot smoking that aren't for complete prohibition. If you're a complete teetotaler, I can see where you're coming from and I won't begin to try to change your mind. But if you think alcohol should be legal and you're a strong proponent of marijuana being illegal, I just don't get how you'd come to that conclusion without either admitting it's an arbitrary distinction you're making or just being painfully ignorant of the topic itself?

EDIT: Not to say I don't understand those of you who just don't care either way, I completely understand apathy on this subject given the pothead morons that tend to speak about it. I just don't know understand the HOO-RAH attitude some people have for enforcing such a silly law while there is an actually dangerous substance being sold legally at every store/restaurant in the nation.

I care...It just has been beaten to death here so many times that I am sick of discussing it now. We used to have some decent discussions on this at one time. We now have some that don't care to carry on a civil discussion and find common ground..but instead just want to argue. I have zero need for it.

(01-18-2014 03:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm honestly shocked there are still people virulently against pot smoking that aren't for complete prohibition. If you're a complete teetotaler, I can see where you're coming from and I won't begin to try to change your mind. But if you think alcohol should be legal and you're a strong proponent of marijuana being illegal, I just don't get how you'd come to that conclusion without either admitting it's an arbitrary distinction you're making or just being painfully ignorant of the topic itself?

EDIT: Not to say I don't understand those of you who just don't care either way, I completely understand apathy on this subject given the pothead morons that tend to speak about it. I just don't know understand the HOO-RAH attitude some people have for enforcing such a silly law while there is an actually dangerous substance being sold legally at every store/restaurant in the nation.

false argument. Pot is not the equalizer or the answer to alcohol. Pot legality will not lower alcohol use.

Pot causes a completely different set of problems for the self, family and society as a whole. "Because alcohol is legal is not a valid reason."

(01-18-2014 02:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Please, tell me what you know about the vast harm marijuana causes our society.

I think what I know is well known. I think people like you are not only in denial, but part of the problem in our society.

(01-18-2014 11:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 04:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  It isn't physically addictive, but then, neither is cocaine. It is very psychologically addictive and I know from experience. I had a much harder time getting off of pot after smoking it everyday for 2 years than even cigs.

I never had any problem with withdrawn symptoms from quitting either substance. I have known those that had mild to severe withdraw from tobacco and mild withdraw from cannabis. It seems to be different from person to person...maybe some genetic predisposition for addiction?

Is this another argument for legal weed?

Nope...Just my observation. I could care less if cannabis is legalized or not. If I wanted to purchase some? I could get it safely within minutes. The law would not concern me in the slightest.

Well, it should. Not just because you're admitting people are jailed for something you find personally harmless, but because a lot of your money and peoples futures are being ruined over something that asinine.

As for the withdrawals, I have seen nothing that would imply that quitting marijuana is anymore difficult than cutting out unhealthy food.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for legalization in my state, but less than 200 people are in jail for simple possession of marijuana.

Now, distribution has a lot more and I think that should be decriminalized. If you see it, destroy it and send that person on their way.

(01-19-2014 02:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:14 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I never had any problem with withdrawn symptoms from quitting either substance. I have known those that had mild to severe withdraw from tobacco and mild withdraw from cannabis. It seems to be different from person to person...maybe some genetic predisposition for addiction?

Is this another argument for legal weed?

Nope...Just my observation. I could care less if cannabis is legalized or not. If I wanted to purchase some? I could get it safely within minutes. The law would not concern me in the slightest.

Well, it should. Not just because you're admitting people are jailed for something you find personally harmless, but because a lot of your money and peoples futures are being ruined over something that asinine.

As for the withdrawals, I have seen nothing that would imply that quitting marijuana is anymore difficult than cutting out unhealthy food.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for legalization in my state, but less than 200 people are in jail for simple possession of marijuana.

Now, distribution has a lot more and I think that should be decriminalized. If you see it, destroy it and send that person on their way.

I will admit simple possession doesn't lead to high incarceration rates, but it's not as if that implies it does no harm. Good luck getting into any graduate program if you're caught. Good luck keeping your job if they find out you've been arrested for possession.

(01-19-2014 11:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 02:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Is this another argument for legal weed?

Nope...Just my observation. I could care less if cannabis is legalized or not. If I wanted to purchase some? I could get it safely within minutes. The law would not concern me in the slightest.

Well, it should. Not just because you're admitting people are jailed for something you find personally harmless, but because a lot of your money and peoples futures are being ruined over something that asinine.

As for the withdrawals, I have seen nothing that would imply that quitting marijuana is anymore difficult than cutting out unhealthy food.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for legalization in my state, but less than 200 people are in jail for simple possession of marijuana.

Now, distribution has a lot more and I think that should be decriminalized. If you see it, destroy it and send that person on their way.

I will admit simple possession doesn't lead to high incarceration rates, but it's not as if that implies it does no harm. Good luck getting into any graduate program if you're caught. Good luck keeping your job if they find out.

Good point. That's why I support decriminalization when it comes to possession. I don't even like it being a ticket-worthy offense.

Wait are you trying to say prohibition of drugs is a libertarian view point b/c its not. It may be a faux teaparty libertarian stance but not the actual libertarian stance imho. Decriminalize all drugs allow no official markets and use all money from fines for possession to go towards rehabilitation programs. Have the state directly control the pot supply and control the market like Canada does with alcohol. Use all that tax money for drug education and rehabilitation. Prohibition does not work IE war on drugs was an is a bigger failure than the vietnam war x 3.

Yeah, if one is being consistent in the application of their ideology, libertarianism is absolutely against the war on drugs or making what one does with their own body a legal issue. It goes against their core beliefs.

Then again, many NeoCon views were in direct opposition to true conservative views, and conservatives still gobbled it up and asked for more, so who knows?

(01-20-2014 03:24 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yeah, if one is being consistent in the application of their ideology, libertarianism is absolutely against the war on drugs or making what one does with their own body a legal issue. It goes against their core beliefs.

Then again, many NeoCon views were in direct opposition to true conservative views, and conservatives still gobbled it up and asked for more, so who knows?

The Libertarian view on almost everything centers around the principle of non aggression(theft,fraud,violence and destruction of property). Pretty much as long as you are not directly harming others with your actions...what one does is not anyone's business. Libertarians do though fully support punishment of violent people regardless of their sobriety. You are responsible for your actions...period.

(01-19-2014 11:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-19-2014 02:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:44 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-18-2014 11:40 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Is this another argument for legal weed?

Nope...Just my observation. I could care less if cannabis is legalized or not. If I wanted to purchase some? I could get it safely within minutes. The law would not concern me in the slightest.

Well, it should. Not just because you're admitting people are jailed for something you find personally harmless, but because a lot of your money and peoples futures are being ruined over something that asinine.

As for the withdrawals, I have seen nothing that would imply that quitting marijuana is anymore difficult than cutting out unhealthy food.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for legalization in my state, but less than 200 people are in jail for simple possession of marijuana.

Now, distribution has a lot more and I think that should be decriminalized. If you see it, destroy it and send that person on their way.

I will admit simple possession doesn't lead to high incarceration rates, but it's not as if that implies it does no harm. Good luck getting into any graduate program if you're caught. Good luck keeping your job if they find out you've been arrested for possession.

That is another reason it should be legalized, controlled and come under very similar laws as alcohol. One's life should not be ruined for responsibly consuming cannabis any more than booze. Cue someone to call foul in making the comparison...but...it is valid none the less.

I don't understand why bringing in prior experience and data from the most similar controlled substance is committing a foul? It'd be irresponsible and idiotic to not compare marijuana to it's closest analogues as a way to estimate it's overall affects legalizing it would have on the nation.

Drugs are our friend.

(01-20-2014 06:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't understand why bringing in prior experience and data from the most similar controlled substance is committing a foul? It'd be irresponsible and idiotic to not compare marijuana to it's closest analogues as a way to estimate it's overall affects legalizing it would have on the nation.

They call foul because they have nothing to counter the argument with other than saying you can't compare them. It is the argument of last resort with authoritarians who just want to control the lives of others. It smacks of dishonesty. I would just rather they be honest about their stance on this issue like Okie and admit they are against the personal freedoms of others. At least he has a basis for his stance...that being his belief that it protects children. I may think he is wrong..but..I respect the opinion.