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Any word on his condition?

(01-17-2014 08:20 AM)BlazerGrad88 Wrote:  Any word on his condition?

Watching in person, I think it wasn't a big deal. He stayed on the bench and got up during every time out to listen in the huddle.

He never came back into the game. That was a nasty fall he took, quite frankly, though the contact may not have been intentional, I thought it warranted a flagrant foul call of some kind.

(01-17-2014 08:37 AM)Matrix Wrote:  He never came back into the game. That was a nasty fall he took, quite frankly, though the contact may not have been intentional, I thought it warranted a flagrant foul call of some kind.

If it wasn't intentional, then, no it didn't warrant a flagrant

(01-17-2014 08:44 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:37 AM)Matrix Wrote:  He never came back into the game. That was a nasty fall he took, quite frankly, though the contact may not have been intentional, I thought it warranted a flagrant foul call of some kind.

If it wasn't intentional, then, no it didn't warrant a flagrant

I said, "may not have been". I was there, the player that fouled him, IMO, could have tried to catch Jordan or break his fall under those circumstances. If you've played basketball before, it's an unwritten rule of sorts to not undercut an opponent (not deliberately at least), it wasn't my style to do so, and I'd at least always try to catch a player in Jordan's plight if you could. The contact may or may not have been done on purpose, but it was excessive, & I think you can still draw a flagrant call even if it wasn't your intention to clock them... Just my observation. Happy Friday to you.

Dude definitely submarined Swing, but I don't think it was intentional. It's just the way their paths intersected. Little Smaug thought he hit his head on the floor, so I hope we can rule out a concussion.

(01-17-2014 08:58 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:44 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:37 AM)Matrix Wrote:  He never came back into the game. That was a nasty fall he took, quite frankly, though the contact may not have been intentional, I thought it warranted a flagrant foul call of some kind.

If it wasn't intentional, then, no it didn't warrant a flagrant

I said, "may not have been". I was there, the player that fouled him, IMO, could have tried to catch Jordan or break his fall under those circumstances. If you've played basketball before, it's an unwritten rule of sorts to not undercut an opponent (not deliberately at least), it wasn't my style to do so, and I'd at least always try to catch a player in Jordan's plight if you could. The contact may or may not have been done on purpose, but it was excessive, & I think you can still draw a flagrant call even if it wasn't your intention to clock them... Just my observation. Happy Friday to you.

Also, Matrix is a referee.

It appeared Swing was applying ice to his right hip or right side of his lower back.

#44 Keon Lewis was called for the foul. A few minutes later he undercut Rob Williams with another foul. Rob ended up on the floor as well.

(01-17-2014 09:44 AM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:58 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:44 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 08:37 AM)Matrix Wrote:  He never came back into the game. That was a nasty fall he took, quite frankly, though the contact may not have been intentional, I thought it warranted a flagrant foul call of some kind.

If it wasn't intentional, then, no it didn't warrant a flagrant

I said, "may not have been". I was there, the player that fouled him, IMO, could have tried to catch Jordan or break his fall under those circumstances. If you've played basketball before, it's an unwritten rule of sorts to not undercut an opponent (not deliberately at least), it wasn't my style to do so, and I'd at least always try to catch a player in Jordan's plight if you could. The contact may or may not have been done on purpose, but it was excessive, & I think you can still draw a flagrant call even if it wasn't your intention to clock them... Just my observation. Happy Friday to you.

Also, Matrix is a referee.

19 years, off and on, to be approximate. AHSAA.

(01-17-2014 09:56 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  It appeared Swing was applying ice to his right hip or right side of his lower back.

#44 Keon Lewis was called for the foul. A few minutes later he undercut Rob Williams with another foul. Rob ended up on the floor as well.

One time perhaps, you can chalk up to coincidence. Twice or more? Like I said, it's one of those occurrences where if the offending player is at least trying to do what he/she can to keep the other player's fall from being worse than it could get, discretion is advised in making your call. In an intramural game I played in at Bartow Arena several years ago, I once grabbed an opponent in mid-air as he was driving to the basket, the only reason I wasn't called for a flagrant or tossed from the game is because I held on to him on his way down to make sure he didn't hit the floor hard and let him know my intent was not malicious. I gave him a pat on his back and he went to the line, no hard feelings. The refs in that game gave me the benefit of the doubt.

Little things like that, officials take into notice sometimes and unadmittedly, sometimes factors into what they will call in situations like what happened with Jordan last night.

My arms would have been crossed after my whistle blew in that instance. Like Kev'Mo said, the same guy did it twice to 2 different players.

(01-17-2014 10:07 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:56 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  It appeared Swing was applying ice to his right hip or right side of his lower back.

#44 Keon Lewis was called for the foul. A few minutes later he undercut Rob Williams with another foul. Rob ended up on the floor as well.

One time perhaps, you can chalk up to coincidence. Twice or more? Like I said, it's one of those occurrences where if the offending player is at least trying to do what he/she can to keep the other player's fall from being worse than it could get, discretion is advised in making your call. In an intramural game I played in at Bartow Arena several years ago, I once grabbed an opponent in mid-air as he was driving to the basket, the only reason I wasn't called for a flagrant or tossed from the game is because I held on to him on his way down to make sure he didn't hit the floor hard and let him know my intent was not malicious. I gave him a pat on his back and he went to the line, no hard feelings. The refs in that game gave me the benefit of the doubt.

Little things like that, officials take into notice sometimes and unadmittedly, sometimes factors into what they will call in situations like what happened with Jordan last night.

My arms would have been crossed after my whistle blew in that instance. Like Kev'Mo said, the same guy did it twice to 2 different players.

To be fair, Rob Williams put himself in that position...Jordan Swing did not.

(01-17-2014 01:35 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 10:07 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:56 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  It appeared Swing was applying ice to his right hip or right side of his lower back.

#44 Keon Lewis was called for the foul. A few minutes later he undercut Rob Williams with another foul. Rob ended up on the floor as well.

One time perhaps, you can chalk up to coincidence. Twice or more? Like I said, it's one of those occurrences where if the offending player is at least trying to do what he/she can to keep the other player's fall from being worse than it could get, discretion is advised in making your call. In an intramural game I played in at Bartow Arena several years ago, I once grabbed an opponent in mid-air as he was driving to the basket, the only reason I wasn't called for a flagrant or tossed from the game is because I held on to him on his way down to make sure he didn't hit the floor hard and let him know my intent was not malicious. I gave him a pat on his back and he went to the line, no hard feelings. The refs in that game gave me the benefit of the doubt.

Little things like that, officials take into notice sometimes and unadmittedly, sometimes factors into what they will call in situations like what happened with Jordan last night.

My arms would have been crossed after my whistle blew in that instance. Like Kev'Mo said, the same guy did it twice to 2 different players.

To be fair, Rob Williams put himself in that position...Jordan Swing did not.

Actually, a bad, high pass put Williams in that position. Rob was going for the ball over the UTSA player.

(01-17-2014 02:38 PM)Marathon Blazer Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 01:35 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 10:07 AM)Matrix Wrote:  

(01-17-2014 09:56 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  It appeared Swing was applying ice to his right hip or right side of his lower back.

#44 Keon Lewis was called for the foul. A few minutes later he undercut Rob Williams with another foul. Rob ended up on the floor as well.

One time perhaps, you can chalk up to coincidence. Twice or more? Like I said, it's one of those occurrences where if the offending player is at least trying to do what he/she can to keep the other player's fall from being worse than it could get, discretion is advised in making your call. In an intramural game I played in at Bartow Arena several years ago, I once grabbed an opponent in mid-air as he was driving to the basket, the only reason I wasn't called for a flagrant or tossed from the game is because I held on to him on his way down to make sure he didn't hit the floor hard and let him know my intent was not malicious. I gave him a pat on his back and he went to the line, no hard feelings. The refs in that game gave me the benefit of the doubt.

Little things like that, officials take into notice sometimes and unadmittedly, sometimes factors into what they will call in situations like what happened with Jordan last night.

My arms would have been crossed after my whistle blew in that instance. Like Kev'Mo said, the same guy did it twice to 2 different players.

To be fair, Rob Williams put himself in that position...Jordan Swing did not.

Actually, a bad, high pass put Williams in that position. Rob was going for the ball over the UTSA player.

Yes, but that was on us more than it was on the defending player.