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Eliminate the corporate income tax
Quote:In the model, eliminating the United States’ corporate income tax produces rapid and dramatic increases in American investment, output and real wages, making the tax cut self-financing to a significant extent. Somewhat smaller gains arise from revenue-neutral corporate tax base broadening, specifically cutting the corporate tax rate to 9 percent and eliminating all corporate tax loopholes. Both policies generate welfare gains for all generations in the United States, but particularly for young and future workers. Moreover, all Americans can benefit, though by less, if foreign countries also cut their corporate tax rates.

The size of the potential economic and welfare gains are stunningly large and don’t reflect any extreme supply-side (a k a, voodoo economics) assumptions. Fully eliminating the corporate income tax and replacing any loss in revenues with somewhat higher personal income tax rates leads to a huge short-run inflow of capital, raising the United States’ capital stock (machines and buildings) by 23 percent, output by 8 percent and the real wages of unskilled and skilled workers by 12 percent. Lowering the corporate rate tax to 9 percent while also closing loopholes is roughly revenue neutral and also produces very rapid increases in capital (by 17 percent), output (by 6 percent) and real wages (by 8 percent).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/opinio....html?_r=0
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RE: Eliminate the corporate income tax
More drivel. The post by Warren Meyer shows that over regulation and bureaucratic entanglement is often worse than taxes.
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(01-07-2014 08:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  More drivel. The post by Warren Meyer shows that over regulation and bureaucratic entanglement is often worse than taxes.
Agree. Regulations and red tape are often cited by business owners as being a larger factor in investment/expansion/business location than taxes.
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Reducing the corporate income tax would help greatly.
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There needs to be either a flat tax or a fair tax that is applied equally across the board. Eliminating the corporate tax would be great for Wall Street at the detriment of small business and Main Street. We need to level the playing field, not make it less possible for small business to compete.
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Also, mercantilism has never worked well in the long-run.
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(01-07-2014 09:29 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 08:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  More drivel. The post by Warren Meyer shows that over regulation and bureaucratic entanglement is often worse than taxes.
Agree. Regulations and red tape are often cited by business owners as being a larger factor in investment/expansion/business location than taxes.

The problem is that the two together are a huge barrier. The big problem with regulations are not so much that they are overly burdensome in a substantive way, but that they are a huge procedural burden. A huge hunk of our regulations are designed not to improve the quality of air or water, or to make workplaces safer, but rather to protect and grow the jobs of bureaucrats to perform meaningless inspections and process useless paperwork.

Norway has much more stringent regulations for offshore drilling than we do. As a result, they've been drilling in deep water since the 1970s and have never had a Macondo-style incident. And if they did, they'd be much better equipped to deal with it than we were, because they have funded proper clean-up measures as they have gone along. The regulations add maybe $10 million to the cost of a well. But you can get a well approved in a fraction of the time it takes here. And businesses love certainty, so they'd rather pay the extra to get an answer. That's the kind of thing we can--and should--be doing.

Remember also that the members of OECD (basically the developed countries) collect on average 30% of their tax revenues from consumption and excise taxes. And their income tax rate structures are much flatter (less "progressive"). That allows them to have far greater government revenues as a percent of GDP than we do, with lower tax rates for corporations (in all cases) and generally without substantially higher tax rates for high-income individuals (often lower, particularly for investment income).

People like to criticize consumption taxes as regressive. But think about it, they are no more regressive than the corporate income tax. Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes. If one is regressive, then so is the other, and pretty much to the same extent.
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(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.

This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.
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Eliminating or reducing is one thing, simplifying is another and the most readily attainable.
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(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.

This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

You're so far underwater in most of your comments about anything that you've completely lost the horizon. It's fun to watch you continue to swim down and sideways when you think you're swimming back towards the surface.

03-lmfao
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(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.

This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Indeed.
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RE: Eliminate the corporate income tax
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.
This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.

In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.
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(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.
This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.

In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.
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(01-07-2014 07:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.
This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.

In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.

All I remember from economics is how many assumption are made in every theory I was taught. Economists could learn a few things from psychology when making theories.
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(01-07-2014 07:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.
This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.



In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.

So...a businesses taxes are not figured into it's overhead? Since when?

You don't need a high priced college education to know this. It is common sense.
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(01-07-2014 07:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.
This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.

In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.

Might be time to dummy up again. You're only confirming what most already suspect. lol
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(01-07-2014 08:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 07:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Corporations don't pay taxes, they load them onto the price of their products and collect them and pass them through to the government. That means the same people who pay consumption taxes pay corporate taxes.
This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.



In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.

So...a businesses taxes are not figured into it's overhead? Since when?

You don't need a high priced college education to know this. It is common sense.

Taxes are not part of overhead, and that's irrelevant to the discussion anyway. As I said before, it's shocking how little some people know about economics. They teach the applicable principles in any introductory micro class.
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(01-07-2014 10:41 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 08:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 07:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.



In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.

So...a businesses taxes are not figured into it's overhead? Since when?

You don't need a high priced college education to know this. It is common sense.

Taxes are not part of overhead, and that's irrelevant to the discussion anyway. As I said before, it's shocking how little some people know about economics. They teach the applicable principles in any introductory micro class.


Then I'd suggest you actually go take one. You continue to amaze.

For its and giggles, who do you think pays those taxes? This should be good. haha
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(01-07-2014 08:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  More drivel. The post by Warren Meyer shows that over regulation and bureaucratic entanglement is often worse than taxes.

Why not reduce both?
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(01-07-2014 10:41 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 08:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 07:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 06:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-07-2014 01:34 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  This is largely untrue. It's shocking how little economic knowledge some people have.

Maybe it's not true on the white board in a classroom.

In the real world, it's absolutely true.



In theory, theory works well in practice. In practice, it doesn't.

No it's not. It's dumb to say so.

So...a businesses taxes are not figured into it's overhead? Since when?

You don't need a high priced college education to know this. It is common sense.

Taxes are not part of overhead, and that's irrelevant to the discussion anyway. As I said before, it's shocking how little some people know about economics. They teach the applicable principles in any introductory micro class.

Your class failed you. Tax burden is most surely use as part of pricing good and services of ANY business...unless they are just plain stupid.
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