(01-01-2014 02:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I love how ASU fans think they are all of a sudden this juggernaut of a program.

So a WKU fan is acting all superior to ASU all of a sudden? Standing in judgment of our past in football?

Win a conference championship and bowl game in FBS before judging. Thanks.

I'm not standing in judgement of anything....

just pointing out the facts.

ASU is just as likely to go back to losing than taking the next step up and from the 7-5 season ASU just had maybe even closer to the losing seasons of the not too distant past.

(01-01-2014 02:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 10:52 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 10:13 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(12-31-2013 06:48 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  CUSA really stinks. In a few years, the rest of the nation will know what we already know. Completely overrated league

Is that why every single SBC member that has EVER been offered a spot in CUSA has readily accepted? Your criticism of CUSA can't be taken seriously when everyone knows that ASU would jump at an invitation from CUSA.

5 years ago, yes on jumping to CUSA. With the bigger programs leaving for the AAC, the added travel, the Fox Sports 1 ratings, the entry/exit fees, the diminishing tv money, and the mediocrity of the football - CUSA is not as attractive as it used to be

I think ASU would take an invite if it set up a western division but otherwise its really not that appealing

2014 CUSA and 2014 SBC are pretty equal I really hope realignment is over I will be perfectly happy with our rivals and the new teams coming

outside of USM, what powerhouse team are you eager to watch Tech play? I'm not suggesting that you would be any more fired up playing Troy/UL/ULM/ASU but there is also nothing exciting about playing the F_Us/UAB/UNCC/ODU ETC.

I've mentioned before, but ASU has no nearby teams that we feel we have to keep pace with to be successful. Tech has to be able to compete against Monroe, Tulane, and Lafayette. We're not going to get any respect out of in state media regardless what league to play in, and with no other FBS team in the state, we don't have anyone stepping forward to challenge our #2 rating.

Any ASU move would come primarily because of a bunch of disagreements with Sun Belt Leadership. If we could get a better TV situation, and a commitment from the league to sign more bowls and come up with a better set of conference guidelines that are enforced, we'd probably be happy where we are.

Our fans don't respect CUSA teams enough to increase attendance by simply scheduling them. We respect Southern Miss and that's about it. Tech would draw because its an old rivalry.

I love how ASU fans think they are all of a sudden this juggernaut of a program. But make no mistake about it...if CUSA called today with a invite ASU would be leaving the SBC.

Now back to the Juggernaut of a program called ASU..

lets not forget ASU had a winning record only 4 times in the past 20 seasons. Now I expect to see but we won the conference the past 3 years and went bowling the last 3 years and had 3 years straight of winning football. I also expect to see, well we had a awful coach before and that was the reason...

if you don't want to count your past then the only year that counts is this one....

if that's the case it looks like ASU is moving back toward the norm than taking that next step to beating the Bama's, of college football and getting in the playoffs.

We chose to move up to FBS when it was probably not the best situation to do so. We dealt with twenty years of Mediocrity along the way, but we're finally making progress.

We consider those twenty years simply paying the required dues of being an FBS member.

(01-01-2014 02:54 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  Don't you guys have something more important to worry about than cusa teams losing their bowl games? Like improving your team so you can move to cusa in the next round of realignment?

You're on our board ain't ya?

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  ASU is just as likely to go back to losing than taking the next step up and from the 7-5 season ASU just had maybe even closer to the losing seasons of the not too distant past.

And WKU is just as likely to go back to 18-game home losing streaks, or 20 years without a conference championship. See how that works?

Win a conference championship and bowl game at the FBS level first.

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 10:52 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 10:13 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Is that why every single SBC member that has EVER been offered a spot in CUSA has readily accepted? Your criticism of CUSA can't be taken seriously when everyone knows that ASU would jump at an invitation from CUSA.

5 years ago, yes on jumping to CUSA. With the bigger programs leaving for the AAC, the added travel, the Fox Sports 1 ratings, the entry/exit fees, the diminishing tv money, and the mediocrity of the football - CUSA is not as attractive as it used to be

I think ASU would take an invite if it set up a western division but otherwise its really not that appealing

2014 CUSA and 2014 SBC are pretty equal I really hope realignment is over I will be perfectly happy with our rivals and the new teams coming

outside of USM, what powerhouse team are you eager to watch Tech play? I'm not suggesting that you would be any more fired up playing Troy/UL/ULM/ASU but there is also nothing exciting about playing the F_Us/UAB/UNCC/ODU ETC.

I've mentioned before, but ASU has no nearby teams that we feel we have to keep pace with to be successful. Tech has to be able to compete against Monroe, Tulane, and Lafayette. We're not going to get any respect out of in state media regardless what league to play in, and with no other FBS team in the state, we don't have anyone stepping forward to challenge our #2 rating.

Any ASU move would come primarily because of a bunch of disagreements with Sun Belt Leadership. If we could get a better TV situation, and a commitment from the league to sign more bowls and come up with a better set of conference guidelines that are enforced, we'd probably be happy where we are.

Our fans don't respect CUSA teams enough to increase attendance by simply scheduling them. We respect Southern Miss and that's about it. Tech would draw because its an old rivalry.

I love how ASU fans think they are all of a sudden this juggernaut of a program. But make no mistake about it...if CUSA called today with a invite ASU would be leaving the SBC.

Now back to the Juggernaut of a program called ASU..

lets not forget ASU had a winning record only 4 times in the past 20 seasons. Now I expect to see but we won the conference the past 3 years and went bowling the last 3 years and had 3 years straight of winning football. I also expect to see, well we had a awful coach before and that was the reason...

if you don't want to count your past then the only year that counts is this one....

if that's the case it looks like ASU is moving back toward the norm than taking that next step to beating the Bama's, of college football and getting in the playoffs.

We chose to move up to FBS when it was probably not the best situation to do so. We dealt with twenty years of Mediocrity along the way, but we're finally making progress.

We consider those twenty years simply paying the required dues of being an FBS member.

So other programs don't get the same benefit of having bad years in the past...or even a couple down years in the present? I guess the only team that can improve is ASU.

Again I will point out that with a 7-5 (7-6 or 8-5) record and in those 3 years ASU has not even come CLOSE to beating a BCS school...

ASU is just as likely to fall back to losing as the FUs or any other program losing today are to start winning.

(01-01-2014 03:06 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  ASU is just as likely to go back to losing than taking the next step up and from the 7-5 season ASU just had maybe even closer to the losing seasons of the not too distant past.

And WKU is just as likely to go back to 18-game home losing streaks, or 20 years without a conference championship. See how that works?

Win a conference championship and bowl game at the FBS level first.

I think Western has a few conference championships in that 20 years along with a National Championship.

(01-01-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 10:52 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  5 years ago, yes on jumping to CUSA. With the bigger programs leaving for the AAC, the added travel, the Fox Sports 1 ratings, the entry/exit fees, the diminishing tv money, and the mediocrity of the football - CUSA is not as attractive as it used to be

I think ASU would take an invite if it set up a western division but otherwise its really not that appealing

2014 CUSA and 2014 SBC are pretty equal I really hope realignment is over I will be perfectly happy with our rivals and the new teams coming

outside of USM, what powerhouse team are you eager to watch Tech play? I'm not suggesting that you would be any more fired up playing Troy/UL/ULM/ASU but there is also nothing exciting about playing the F_Us/UAB/UNCC/ODU ETC.

I've mentioned before, but ASU has no nearby teams that we feel we have to keep pace with to be successful. Tech has to be able to compete against Monroe, Tulane, and Lafayette. We're not going to get any respect out of in state media regardless what league to play in, and with no other FBS team in the state, we don't have anyone stepping forward to challenge our #2 rating.

Any ASU move would come primarily because of a bunch of disagreements with Sun Belt Leadership. If we could get a better TV situation, and a commitment from the league to sign more bowls and come up with a better set of conference guidelines that are enforced, we'd probably be happy where we are.

Our fans don't respect CUSA teams enough to increase attendance by simply scheduling them. We respect Southern Miss and that's about it. Tech would draw because its an old rivalry.

I love how ASU fans think they are all of a sudden this juggernaut of a program. But make no mistake about it...if CUSA called today with a invite ASU would be leaving the SBC.

Now back to the Juggernaut of a program called ASU..

lets not forget ASU had a winning record only 4 times in the past 20 seasons. Now I expect to see but we won the conference the past 3 years and went bowling the last 3 years and had 3 years straight of winning football. I also expect to see, well we had a awful coach before and that was the reason...

if you don't want to count your past then the only year that counts is this one....

if that's the case it looks like ASU is moving back toward the norm than taking that next step to beating the Bama's, of college football and getting in the playoffs.

We chose to move up to FBS when it was probably not the best situation to do so. We dealt with twenty years of Mediocrity along the way, but we're finally making progress.

We consider those twenty years simply paying the required dues of being an FBS member.

So other programs don't get the same benefit of having bad years in the past...or even a couple down years in the present? I guess the only team that can improve is ASU.

Again I will point out that with a 7-5 (7-6 or 8-5) record and in those 3 years ASU has not even come CLOSE to beating a BCS school...

ASU is just as likely to fall back to losing as the FUs or any other program losing today are to start winning.

And I'd like to point out that we cant all be spoiled with games against Kentucky that are extremely winnable. Five of our last 6 BCS Opponents were ranked teams. Three of those 6 finished in the top 10 during those years, two played in BCS Bowls, and one is playing for the national title. How would WKU against those teams?

This year is exactly what it is. A year in which we replaced an all world QB, and most of our defense while breaking in our 3rd coach in as many years. 7-5 is very similar to what I expected.

(01-01-2014 03:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:06 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  ASU is just as likely to go back to losing than taking the next step up and from the 7-5 season ASU just had maybe even closer to the losing seasons of the not too distant past.

And WKU is just as likely to go back to 18-game home losing streaks, or 20 years without a conference championship. See how that works?

Win a conference championship and bowl game at the FBS level first.

I think Western has a few conference championships in that 20 years along with a National Championship.

You went from 1980 to 2000 without a conference championship. You won a National Championship and we lost one which I guess is a 1-game difference.

But we're at the FBS level now. Win a conference championship or three and win a bowl game first. Thanks.

(01-01-2014 03:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:06 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  ASU is just as likely to go back to losing than taking the next step up and from the 7-5 season ASU just had maybe even closer to the losing seasons of the not too distant past.

And WKU is just as likely to go back to 18-game home losing streaks, or 20 years without a conference championship. See how that works?

Win a conference championship and bowl game at the FBS level first.

I think Western has a few conference championships in that 20 years along with a National Championship.

You went from 1980 to 2000 without a conference championship. You won a National Championship and we lost one which I guess is a 1-game difference.

But we're at the FBS level now. Win a conference championship or three and win a bowl game first. Thanks.

Hard to win Bowls when you don't get to play in them because of the conference you are in, even though you are Bowl eligible.....and fwiw, in ArkSt's first 10 years as FBS, you had one winning season. In WKU's first 5 years, we've had 3 winning seasons. I'd say we're right on track to be successful. In fact, of the last 18 years, WKU has had 15 winning seasons.

(01-01-2014 03:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 03:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:42 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 02:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I've mentioned before, but ASU has no nearby teams that we feel we have to keep pace with to be successful. Tech has to be able to compete against Monroe, Tulane, and Lafayette. We're not going to get any respect out of in state media regardless what league to play in, and with no other FBS team in the state, we don't have anyone stepping forward to challenge our #2 rating.

Any ASU move would come primarily because of a bunch of disagreements with Sun Belt Leadership. If we could get a better TV situation, and a commitment from the league to sign more bowls and come up with a better set of conference guidelines that are enforced, we'd probably be happy where we are.

Our fans don't respect CUSA teams enough to increase attendance by simply scheduling them. We respect Southern Miss and that's about it. Tech would draw because its an old rivalry.

I love how ASU fans think they are all of a sudden this juggernaut of a program. But make no mistake about it...if CUSA called today with a invite ASU would be leaving the SBC.

Now back to the Juggernaut of a program called ASU..

lets not forget ASU had a winning record only 4 times in the past 20 seasons. Now I expect to see but we won the conference the past 3 years and went bowling the last 3 years and had 3 years straight of winning football. I also expect to see, well we had a awful coach before and that was the reason...

if you don't want to count your past then the only year that counts is this one....

if that's the case it looks like ASU is moving back toward the norm than taking that next step to beating the Bama's, of college football and getting in the playoffs.

We chose to move up to FBS when it was probably not the best situation to do so. We dealt with twenty years of Mediocrity along the way, but we're finally making progress.

We consider those twenty years simply paying the required dues of being an FBS member.

So other programs don't get the same benefit of having bad years in the past...or even a couple down years in the present? I guess the only team that can improve is ASU.

Again I will point out that with a 7-5 (7-6 or 8-5) record and in those 3 years ASU has not even come CLOSE to beating a BCS school...

ASU is just as likely to fall back to losing as the FUs or any other program losing today are to start winning.

And I'd like to point out that we cant all be spoiled with games against Kentucky that are extremely winnable. Five of our last 6 BCS Opponents were ranked teams. Three of those 6 finished in the top 10 during those years, two played in BCS Bowls, and one is playing for the national title. How would WKU against those teams?

This year is exactly what it is. A year in which we replaced an all world QB, and most of our defense while breaking in our 3rd coach in as many years. 7-5 is very similar to what I expected.

All I can say is to schedule games you can win, isn't that the goal? Hey we all lose key players, every year, and that's the point....

none of us are good enough or stocked piled enough talent to know what we are getting next season much less 2 or 3 years down the road.

So the point I was making, and made, ASU is not above any other schools as a football program and could just as easily fall back to your 4-8 ways as to take the next step. So what reason would ASU fans have to "not respect" any other program?

When we lose we all have excuses to why it happened

(01-01-2014 04:06 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Hard to win Bowls when you don't get to play in them because of the conference you are in, even though you are Bowl eligible.....and fwiw, in ArkSt's first 10 years as FBS, you had one winning season. In WKU's first 5 years, we've had 3 winning seasons. I'd say we're right on track to be successful. In fact, of the last 18 years, WKU has had 15 winning seasons.

It's not a problem to get into bowl games if you win your conference. Do that one or three times in a row and then maybe we can all be entertained comparing FCS records.

I honestly don't care. I just don't think you need to be here touting your on-trackness and questioning our on-trackness. In those last 5-years we've won three conference championships to your none. So your 5-year track ain't as good as ours. But somehow to you we are just as likely to fall back...but you are right "on-track" by doing worse. Cute, but no sale.

(01-01-2014 04:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So the point I was making, and made, ASU is not above any other schools as a football program and could just as easily fall back to your 4-8 ways as to take the next step.

We're on our 5th coaching staff in that time period and haven't fallen to 4-8 yet. It's a game so there is always the chance for every program to step back. But WKU probably needs to worry more about falling back to the same shape as Louisville and Arkansas when Petrino left. That's a historical trend too.

(01-01-2014 04:23 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:06 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Hard to win Bowls when you don't get to play in them because of the conference you are in, even though you are Bowl eligible.....and fwiw, in ArkSt's first 10 years as FBS, you had one winning season. In WKU's first 5 years, we've had 3 winning seasons. I'd say we're right on track to be successful. In fact, of the last 18 years, WKU has had 15 winning seasons.

It's not a problem to get into bowl games if you win your conference. Do that one or three times in a row and then maybe we can all be entertained comparing FCS records.

I honestly don't care. I just don't think you need to be here touting your on-trackness and questioning our on-trackness. In those last 5-years we've won three conference championships to your none. So your 5-year track ain't as good as ours. But somehow to you we are just as likely to fall back...but you are right "on-track" by doing worse. Cute, but no sale.

Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I was just merely pointing out facts. There's no doubt ArkSt has been the better program in the last three years at winning the conference. Even though WKU beat ArkSt 2 of those 3 years, we still couldn't win the conference championship. Kudo's to ArkSt.

I was merely pointing out that we just completed our transition to FBS recently so ARkSt had a leg up, having been FBS for 20 years.

(01-01-2014 04:38 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I was merely pointing out that we just completed our transition to FBS recently so ARkSt had a leg up, having been FBS for 20 years.

You can go back to last year and find where I have regularly praised WKU's transition to FBS and recommended that our new FCS additions look to WKU's experience when things got tough.

I've just heard the same BS about Arkansas State from Razorback fans every day for quite some time. They have not won a conference championship since 1989 and continuously assert that we are a fluke.

(01-01-2014 04:34 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:12 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So the point I was making, and made, ASU is not above any other schools as a football program and could just as easily fall back to your 4-8 ways as to take the next step.

We're on our 5th coaching staff in that time period and haven't fallen to 4-8 yet. It's a game so there is always the chance for every program to step back. But WKU probably needs to worry more about falling back to the same shape as Louisville and Arkansas when Petrino left. That's a historical trend too.

This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted that started you taking this in a different direction.

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

(01-01-2014 03:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  You went from 1980 to 2000 without a conference championship. You won a National Championship and we lost one which I guess is a 1-game difference.

Just a point of clarification but WKU was a I-AA Independent from 1982 to 1998 so there's a reason we didn't win any conference championships during that period....we couldn't.

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I understand your point of ASU has been the best team in the SBC for the last 3 year and no one is disagreeing with you on that. No one is saying you can't win it for the next 50 years.

But this never was about Western or what we did or didn't do on the football field. chiefsfan made a comment that ASU fans didn't respect anyone in CUSA other than S. Miss, enough to come out and watch it.

So I pointed out that other than the past 3 years and really just the 2 previous to this season...I think you would agree ASU backed into a share this year and clearly wasn't the "best team". ASU still gets to claim a championship and 5 years from now it won't matter how you got a share of it. The only thing important is ASU got a 3rd conference championship.

So even with that 3rd championship it was still a down year compared to the previous 2. What I should have done was to take the comment for what it was...

someone that hates CUSA and would never want to join the conference if it was up to him. If ASU was playing UNT or the MUTS or FAU close to the same amount of fans...maybe a little more, would still show up to watch that game.

(01-01-2014 05:41 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(01-01-2014 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This isn't about Western and you don't see Western fans saying any team is beneath us. This also isn't about the number of coaching changes ASU went through.....

the numbers pointed out that ASU isn't the juggernaut that you ASU fans seem to think you are. So why would any of you "not respect" and other program? As stated in the post I quoted.

It's about Western to the extent that Western fans are judging us. It's about our coaching changes in the context of our likelihood to fall-back to mediocrity at the first hard blow.

And the truth is that we have been the best team in the Sun Belt over the last 3-years despite chaos and there isn't much question about that.

As for respect, there are not many in this conference that I don't respect. I've respected USA since our homecoming last year. I respect Georgia State after their effort in our game this year. Anyone in this conference who doesn't respect Troy is foolish. ULL goes without saying. WKU has been an incredibly tight series. ULM is a giant-killer. Texas State will be a power.

I understand your point of ASU has been the best team in the SBC for the last 3 year and no one is disagreeing with you on that. No one is saying you can't win it for the next 50 years.

But this never was about Western or what we did or didn't do on the football field. chiefsfan made a comment that ASU fans didn't respect anyone in CUSA other than S. Miss, enough to come out and watch it.

So I pointed out that other than the past 3 years and really just the 2 previous to this season...I think you would agree ASU backed into a share this year and clearly wasn't the "best team". ASU still gets to claim a championship and 5 years from now it won't matter how you got a share of it. The only thing important is ASU got a 3rd conference championship.

So even with that 3rd championship it was still a down year compared to the previous 2. What I should have done was to take the comment for what it was...

someone that hates CUSA and would never want to join the conference if it was up to him. If ASU was playing UNT or the MUTS or FAU close to the same amount of fans...maybe a little more, would still show up to watch that game.

I would imagine some fans would come out to a game against LA Tech - we used play a lot and I think Tech has a pretty solid lead in the series

CUSA as you all know in the Belch is now with its new members the Sunbelt 2 Conference and the Belch is now the Southland 2.