I predicted we had 3-4 years of this backwater conference without an announcement of getting out until the damage had a lasting effect.

Both revenue programs are spending about 4.5 million bucks a year combined on head coaches who are apparently now required to significantly lower the bar on who we can realistically recruit. It's just lovely expecting to win big with under the radar guys who P5 schools are not showering with love.

(05-17-2015 02:41 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Not surprised....want to play in the Big East against the likes of Gtown, Nova, XU, etc. or in the AAC at places like ECU and UH (in front of literally 200 people). You can say I'm not doing a fair comparison, listing the creme of the Big East crop against the dregs of the AAC. Fine...I'd still rather play at Seton Hall and Providence vs ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, etc. It's not even close.

BTW check out the recruiting classes of some of these 'dregs' in the Big East...they are better than ours by a long shot.

Here's more...
Want to play your conference tourney game in MSG or at some conference host member (like most small time conferences do).

The AAC is a killer....just a killer.


Despite having no football, XU is paid more in their tv contract than us and are in a better conference. Its just unreal.
SMH

Are Nova, Georgetown, and XU seriously big draws for recruits? UConn, Temple, and Memphis seem about the same to me, with Connecticut having more cachet than all of them.

And it seems funny to think of slick coaches pitching prospects on the worst teams in their conference. I'm going to doubt that Cronin mentions ECU when trying to get a kid to sign. I don't know how college coaches recruit kids, but it seems like maybe you don't really either?

Which of those bad Big East teams have better classes than UC? I'm not happy with UC's recruiting, but I don't think your statement is accurate.

(05-17-2015 04:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I predicted we had 3-4 years of this backwater conference without an announcement of getting out until the damage had a lasting effect.

Both revenue programs are spending about 4.5 million bucks a year combined on head coaches who are apparently now required to significantly lower the bar on who we can realistically recruit. It's just lovely expecting to win big with under the radar guys who P5 schools are not showering with love.

I don't see how this recruiting lull is attributable to the AAC. For one, other teams in the conference are recruiting fairly well, and some other non-P5 teams have top 20 classes.

But I think more than that, recruiting hasn't been very good for several years now, starting from before the old Big East started cracking. Beginning with the 2010 class (Kelvin Gaines and Justin Jackson), really. Don't see how that's due to the AAC.

I don't think it's all on the AAC but it is a contributor.

As for Memphis...they recruit well because they have great kids in their back yard and also they do things like, hire the dad of two stud sons they wanted on the team, etc.

UCONN is UCONN. They will recruit well regardless.

I hope that a renovated and upgraded Shoe will help us. Right now between the POS conference we are in and a badly outdated arena we are at a significant disadvantage in recruiting.

(05-17-2015 04:33 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 02:41 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Not surprised....want to play in the Big East against the likes of Gtown, Nova, XU, etc. or in the AAC at places like ECU and UH (in front of literally 200 people). You can say I'm not doing a fair comparison, listing the creme of the Big East crop against the dregs of the AAC. Fine...I'd still rather play at Seton Hall and Providence vs ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, etc. It's not even close.

BTW check out the recruiting classes of some of these 'dregs' in the Big East...they are better than ours by a long shot.

Here's more...
Want to play your conference tourney game in MSG or at some conference host member (like most small time conferences do).

The AAC is a killer....just a killer.


Despite having no football, XU is paid more in their tv contract than us and are in a better conference. Its just unreal.
SMH

Are Nova, Georgetown, and XU seriously big draws for recruits? UConn, Temple, and Memphis seem about the same to me, with Connecticut having more cachet than all of them.

And it seems funny to think of slick coaches pitching prospects on the worst teams in their conference. I'm going to doubt that Cronin mentions ECU when trying to get a kid to sign. I don't know how college coaches recruit kids, but it seems like maybe you don't really either?

Which of those bad Big East teams have better classes than UC? I'm not happy with UC's recruiting, but I don't think your statement is accurate.

2014 recruiting classes (I didn't use 2015 because it's not done yet).

UC: Class rank 42

Gtown #11
Seton Hall #12
XU #20
Providence #21
Nova #32




information: accurate

Guys, I don't know why I need to keep repeating this, but it's known by EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS BOARD that we hate our conference. There's no need to make a lengthy post justifying such assumptions. And im sure there was more to his decision than our current affiliation.

(05-17-2015 04:33 PM)levydl Wrote:  Are Nova, Georgetown, and XU seriously big draws for recruits?

Poor comparison as those are all basketball-only schools, but I'd say the Big East is far more alluring than the AAC. Generally Big East teams are going to have more television exposure and quality competition that a lot of recruits are looking for.

The bottom half of the AAC is just brutal.

I read the excuses.

Seems to me we are ignoring the elephant in the room. Why are we not able to close against a Marquette?

And another thing.

I'm getting tired of catch-up.

(05-17-2015 07:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  2014 recruiting classes (I didn't use 2015 because it's not done yet).

UC: Class rank 42

Gtown #11
Seton Hall #12
XU #20
Providence #21
Nova #32

information: accurate

Only 2 of those teams could be considered "dregs" of that conference and I figured you meant future recruiting classes. A team like Seton Hall may have had a better class last year, but they have not been recruiting better than UC over any other period of time. I'd say Providence is marginally better.

Anyway, recruiting is disappointing, it has been for 5 years or so now, and I haven't heard a great explanation why.

(05-17-2015 10:33 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 07:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  2014 recruiting classes (I didn't use 2015 because it's not done yet).

UC: Class rank 42

Gtown #11
Seton Hall #12
XU #20
Providence #21
Nova #32

information: accurate

Only 2 of those teams could be considered "dregs" of that conference and I figured you meant future recruiting classes. A team like Seton Hall may have had a better class last year, but they have not been recruiting better than UC over any other period of time. I'd say Providence is marginally better.

Anyway, recruiting is disappointing, it has been for 5 years or so now, and I haven't heard a great explanation why.

Wonder how much of it is The Shoe? We need a new arena.

(05-17-2015 09:18 PM)OneUChoopsfan Wrote:  I read the excuses.

Seems to me we are ignoring the elephant in the room. Why are we not able to close against a Marquette?

Just my .02 but Wojo has scooped up a "5 star" and 2 "4 stars" to go along with Rowsey since being hired at this time last year. So there are a heck of a lot of teams asking themselves that same question.

Sure Wojo hasn't done d*ck as a head basketball coach yet but he has that Duke car smell.

What's the big deal? I was told by a few guys on here that we don't recruit white kids anyways.

6'3 2star Juco PG- Jaylen Barford offered?

20ppg, 32% from 3, 7rebs, 5asst

Arkansas, Mizzou, Wichita St, Auburn also offered.

(05-18-2015 06:21 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 10:33 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 07:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  2014 recruiting classes (I didn't use 2015 because it's not done yet).

UC: Class rank 42

Gtown #11
Seton Hall #12
XU #20
Providence #21
Nova #32

information: accurate

Only 2 of those teams could be considered "dregs" of that conference and I figured you meant future recruiting classes. A team like Seton Hall may have had a better class last year, but they have not been recruiting better than UC over any other period of time. I'd say Providence is marginally better.

Anyway, recruiting is disappointing, it has been for 5 years or so now, and I haven't heard a great explanation why.

Wonder how much of it is The Shoe? We need a new arena.

Yeah, a new arena certainly couldn't hurt.

I don't know much about how Cronin (or any coach, really) recruits players. I heard, for instance, that Quadri Moore never even visited UC's campus before he signed. Then there's the story that Maxiell signed because of the unis. Guess it's like any other sales job and there are many different ways to close a deal. It just seems odd that Cronin made his name as a recruiter and recruited fairly well early in his tenure as the head coach, but now he can't seem to turn actual success on the court into signing top talent.

So who is even left on the board at this point? 2 scholarships still to fill and it doesn't seem like they are really in on any big name guys that are transfers or in high school. Is Washington still a possibility?

I'm of the opinion that you never waste a scholarship. If there's someone who wants to transfer, take them with the mutual agreement that it may not be renewed next season (if they're not a 5th year transfer, that is).

(05-18-2015 11:27 AM)Marcus Wrote:  So who is even left on the board at this point? 2 scholarships still to fill and it doesn't seem like they are really in on any big name guys that are transfers or in high school. Is Washington still a possibility?

Washington is still a possibility but he released a long list and the competition is stiff.

Options are Jucos... unknown & largely unrecruited types The top 200 is pretty picked over.