(12-28-2013 07:36 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:44 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:34 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  There just better than UC is in every facet of the game, period.

I do not buy this. We just did not make plays. We had 170 yard rushing. We averaged 4.6 per carry. We had the same amount of yards. It was not a domination. They scorched us on special teams and we did not run the ball in the first half.

They are bigger, stronger, better prepared,better coached. Most of our rushing totals came when the game was way out of hand. 39-17, only thing that counts. We beat one team this year with a winning record , don't give me this Kool-Aid crap. Please tell me where all this great talent is on the roster.

They had bigger hearts than us today. Their O only scored 20-21 pts. You discount our atrocious special teams play today. They looked like a team who wanted to do what it takes to win. We looked like a team who partied all week and was on vacation. So before you decide to deem unc a powerhouse, please take the above into consideration.

I'm very disappointed, but I think many on this board are far too quick to fault the staff, with the unspoken premise being that we have superior talent. Taking the Illinois, U of L and UNC games together, it is apparent that our on-field talent is just fair to middling. If I have a concern with the staff, it's that they might not be recruiting what we need for the future, but we won't know how their recruiting works out for a couple more years.

I love how people say that this squad had so many issues and flaws, but then confidently say "But we'll be much more solid next year." Why??? Because our recruiting class is so superlative? Give me a break.

What we have this year is in largest part what we have next season. Unless that JUCO kid that was supposed to be so hot but couldn't even graduate his community college last year suddenly comes through (insert sarcastic eyeroll here) or we pick up some JUCO help this year, I don't see vast improvement on the horizon.

I guess we have to wait and pray that our recruiting class finds a bunch of JUCO kids to come and bail us out.

(12-28-2013 08:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:36 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:44 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:34 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  There just better than UC is in every facet of the game, period.

I do not buy this. We just did not make plays. We had 170 yard rushing. We averaged 4.6 per carry. We had the same amount of yards. It was not a domination. They scorched us on special teams and we did not run the ball in the first half.

They are bigger, stronger, better prepared,better coached. Most of our rushing totals came when the game was way out of hand. 39-17, only thing that counts. We beat one team this year with a winning record , don't give me this Kool-Aid crap. Please tell me where all this great talent is on the roster.

They had bigger hearts than us today. Their O only scored 20-21 pts. You discount our atrocious special teams play today. They looked like a team who wanted to do what it takes to win. We looked like a team who partied all week and was on vacation. So before you decide to deem unc a powerhouse, please take the above into consideration.

NC made some tremendous plays today. Off the top o f my head, they had a receiver that made a great sideline catch when Wilder had great coverage. The NfL Te made some great catches. The Qb made some great throws. NC was on and we were off. I blame part of this on coaching and bad luck. I think we had plenty of heart. the guys wanted to win. The special teams play and qb protection killed today.

(12-28-2013 08:36 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:27 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:36 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:44 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 06:34 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  There just better than UC is in every facet of the game, period.

I do not buy this. We just did not make plays. We had 170 yard rushing. We averaged 4.6 per carry. We had the same amount of yards. It was not a domination. They scorched us on special teams and we did not run the ball in the first half.

They are bigger, stronger, better prepared,better coached. Most of our rushing totals came when the game was way out of hand. 39-17, only thing that counts. We beat one team this year with a winning record , don't give me this Kool-Aid crap. Please tell me where all this great talent is on the roster.

They had bigger hearts than us today. Their O only scored 20-21 pts. You discount our atrocious special teams play today. They looked like a team who wanted to do what it takes to win. We looked like a team who partied all week and was on vacation. So before you decide to deem unc a powerhouse, please take the above into consideration.

NC made some tremendous plays today. Off the top o f my head, they had a receiver that made a great sideline catch when Wilder had great coverage. The NfL Te made some great catches. The Qb made some great throws. NC was on and we were off. I blame part of this on coaching and bad luck. I think we had plenty of heart. the guys wanted to win. The special teams play and qb protection killed today.

I also recall two specific times through the game that NC got a 1st down on 4th down that later resulted in touchdowns. This is while in contrast we could not get a TD inside their ten.

(12-28-2013 07:46 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Good roster despite injuries.

Awful schedule.

Meh results.

Color me impressed.

Good roster, by what measure? Relative to what?

We have 1 NFL caliber player.

4 1st team AAC all conference players (one was the invisible Blake Annen and another was RDA4 at RS)

We're prolly the 3rd most talented team in the conference and ya know what? We finished 3rd in conference. That's 3rd in the AAC. We'd be battling for .500 in a more difficult conference. Perspective. Get some.

I keep hearing quips like this is a uber talented team. We're marginal right now. We're small and ill equipped to handle physical teams.....per Butch's preference in players. Living in the south and consistently watching these southern teams it was pretty clear to me we weren't gonna be able to match up physically. We'd have to pull off something impressive. There's a reason why we were dogs going in to the game.

Furthermore....do you guys not recall last year's bowl game against Duke?!? We barely fought off a very average Duke team. We've had defense problems for a while.

This was year 1 of a transition that you guys seem want to totally ignore. He did better than Butch.



mc

We didn't even have a staff for the game last year....guess we didn't this year either

I swear. The amount of people in this board that think the sky is falling down. Total melt down, kind of funny to read.

We had horrible special teams play. We were missing half of our offensive line. The playcalling did not adjust until the second half (that is and has been sone cause for concern). And normally sure handed receivers could mot catch the ball. Our defense couldn't stop an average offense. We made some bone headed plays and couldn't get off the field.

Does it mean we suck and should just throw in the towel from here on out?

I'm watching Louisville dismantle a Miami team that had been ranked in the top 10. A Louisville team we went toe to toe with and took into OT.

I don't think we are as far off as the doom and gloomers think. We just stunk it up today. Laid a big turd. It happens.

(12-28-2013 07:59 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:46 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Good roster despite injuries.

Awful schedule.

Meh results.

Color me impressed.

Good roster, by what measure? Relative to what?

We have 1 NFL caliber player.

4 1st team AAC all conference players (one was the invisible Blake Annen and another was RDA4 at RS)

We're prolly the 3rd most talented team in the conference and ya know what? We finished 3rd in conference. That's 3rd in the AAC. We'd be battling for .500 in a more difficult conference. Perspective. Get some.

I keep hearing quips like this is a uber talented team. We're marginal right now. We're small and ill equipped to handle physical teams.....per Butch's preference in players. Living in the south and consistently watching these southern teams it was pretty clear to me we weren't gonna be able to match up physically. We'd have to pull off something impressive. There's a reason why we were dogs going in to the game.

Furthermore....do you guys not recall last year's bowl game against Duke?!? We barely fought off a very average Duke team. We've had defense problems for a while.

This was year 1 of a transition that you guys seem want to totally ignore. He did better than Butch.



mc

Duke last year was similar to UNC this year. Tuberville did better than Butch's first year although the 2 schedules weren't remotely comparable.

Are you kidding me?!? This UNC team is superior talent wise. People are all too easily fooled by records. UNC is an underachieving team, record wise, however they have to tools to be a good team. For whatever reason they didn't pull it together until late in the season.

Other than records there is no grounds for the comparison. Coming in to that game last year Duke had lost 4 in a row (combined scores of 198 - 96). The bloom was well off that team. UNC is just the opposite case. Following the slow start they had turned it around.

regarding '10, yes OU was a team far superior but let's say UC today loses just the same. however it wasn't 5 game differential harder. 9 wins vs. 4. I'll take it this year.



mc

(12-28-2013 09:45 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I swear. The amount of people in this board that think the sky is falling down. Total melt down, kind of funny to read.

We had horrible special teams play. We were missing half of our offensive line. The playcalling did not adjust until the second half (that is and has been sone cause for concern). And normally sure handed receivers could mot catch the ball. Our defense couldn't stop an average offense. We made some bone headed plays and couldn't get off the field.

Does it mean we suck and should just throw in the towel from here on out?

I'm watching Louisville dismantle a Miami team that had been ranked in the top 10. A Louisville team we went toe to toe with and took into OT.

I don't think we are as far off as the doom and gloomers think. We just stunk it up today. Laid a big turd. It happens.

Agreed. The chicken little convention can adjourn.

(12-28-2013 06:26 PM)dalbc Wrote:  One thing's for certain ... Ty Helton needs to go.

Our Special Teams are horrible. We sport the second worst field goal kicker in FBS, have struggled with coverage the last one-half to one-quarter of the season, and our punter (while deceptively sporting a decent average due to Kay handling the pooch punts) simply cannot kick with the necessary hang time.

Lots of room for improvement ... starting with the Special Teams Coordinator.

I assume a new one will be named shortly. Special teams cost us At USF and now at Belk.

UC definitely needs a better place kicker and punter. And better schemes on kick returns, offensive and defensive.

(12-28-2013 07:41 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Hosey needs to be the no 1 next year if Tion isn't ready. Tion should be the back up.

haha a reference to Hosey's gut once again emerges!


ps: i agree with you

(12-28-2013 06:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  As

(12-28-2013 06:10 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Remember how people wondered why kay got beat out the last two years. today explains it. he has missed wide open receivers on two tds and looked really bad the entire game

He has not been great...but this is fan speak bs to save face.

The playcalling, sucked today. This was awful.

I have no desire to save face for the coaches. I thought at times the playing calling was uninspired and at time downright embarassing (sitting on ball down 20 to end the half). that said this game was lost largely on mcclung not being able to field a punt and our punt coverage team having 4 guys run right by the returned they should have absolutely destroyed before he could even make a move.

Lastly kay is not without blame and was pretty terrible last night. he continually sailed balls over wide open. receivers. he failed to read the blitz and get rid of the ball to wide open receivers and he had two throws with receivers as wide open in the end zone as they could possibly be where he just threw terrible balls which stopped touchdowns. just a bad effort all around and easily the worst game kay played all year.

I watched the first half and some of the second before I turned it off. My observations are simple ones that have already been covered.

1. Most worrisome, they showed up and that's about it. They were uninspired on both sides of the line and that's coaching, and that is defintely a bad sign.
2. Injuries killed our O line.
3. TT should used RDA the same way the Bengals use Gio, our other backs would be better feature backs.
4. I think Kay sustained injuries inthe last game and you could see his discomfort yesterday, and yes, he again took a beating. Kay is one tough sob and watching him this season has been fun.

I don't think Luallen or Coney got a snap while I was watching, and if you are going to wildcat Shaq why in the world would you leave Kay at WR? That just made no sense. Why run wildcat if you don't at least drop a hint you might pass out of it?

My jury was, is and will be out on TT. I was starting to warm to him a bit after this season but this kind of a beat down comes down to prep and motivation, both of which seemed to be lacking yesterday.

Kay stays in at WR so you can switch him back to QB without a substitution because if you sub, the umpire will stop play and allow the D to sub. That way the D is forced to put in a vanilla package that can (try to) defend both the read/option wildcat and the traditional passing spread. They can't sub in a D for the wildcat and a D for the pass.

As for the game, obviously it was a massive beating. I still enjoyed the trip and liked watching the seniors play their final game. Kay had a bad day but everyone did, coaches included. It was one of those days where nothing goes right and you get crushed. Not much to say about it.

(12-29-2013 08:36 AM)beck Wrote:  I watched the first half and some of the second before I turned it off. My observations are simple ones that have already been covered.

1. Most worrisome, they showed up and that's about it. They were uninspired on both sides of the line and that's coaching, and that is defintely a bad sign.
2. Injuries killed our O line.
3. TT should used RDA the same way the Bengals use Gio, our other backs would be better feature backs.
4. I think Kay sustained injuries inthe last game and you could see his discomfort yesterday, and yes, he again took a beating. Kay is one tough sob and watching him this season has been fun.

I don't think Luallen or Coney got a snap while I was watching, and if you are going to wildcat Shaq why in the world would you leave Kay at WR? That just made no sense. Why run wildcat if you don't at least drop a hint you might pass out of it?

My jury was, is and will be out on TT. I was starting to warm to him a bit after this season but this kind of a beat down comes down to prep and motivation, both of which seemed to be lacking yesterday.

Luallen was out with injury as well.

(12-28-2013 06:52 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  The things that bugged me the most about this game:

1. The punt return for a TD. UC's # 8 and another player were standing right next to the return man and didn't even touch him when he caught the ball.
2. Offensive play calling... again. Using Washington was great but not when they got inside the 10 the 2nd time with him in at QB.
3. Kay missing a wide open receiver in the end zone and UC failing to score with 1st and goal at the 6.
4. Being manhandled pretty much the whole game.
5. I agree UC was not prepared for the game. I kept hearing Tuberville in interviews saying the goal was to have fun. And it is, but winning should always be the # 1 goal.

9 wins was good, and yes, I know the schedule was weak. Let's go get 'em next year.

good summary

(12-29-2013 06:43 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UC definitely needs a better place kicker and punter. And better schemes on kick returns, offensive and defensive.

We had a better punter... He played last night-- For Miami.

(12-28-2013 06:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  As

(12-28-2013 06:10 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Remember how people wondered why kay got beat out the last two years. today explains it. he has missed wide open receivers on two tds and looked really bad the entire game

He has not been great...but this is fan speak bs to save face.

The playcalling, sucked today. This was awful.

I have no desire to save face for the coaches. I thought at times the playing calling was uninspired and at time downright embarassing (sitting on ball down 20 to end the half). that said this game was lost largely on mcclung not being able to field a punt and our punt coverage team having 4 guys run right by the returned they should have absolutely destroyed before he could even make a move.

Lastly kay is not without blame and was pretty terrible last night. he continually sailed balls over wide open. receivers. he failed to read the blitz and get rid of the ball to wide open receivers and he had two throws with receivers as wide open in the end zone as they could possibly be where he just threw terrible balls which stopped touchdowns. just a bad effort all around and easily the worst game kay played all year.

(12-29-2013 08:36 AM)beck Wrote:  I don't think Luallen or Coney got a snap while I was watching, and if you are going to wildcat Shaq why in the world would you leave Kay at WR? That just made no sense. Why run wildcat if you don't at least drop a hint you might pass out of it?

I thought about that also. Why play 10 vs. 11? Bring in another reciever that could come in motion and possibly get a handoff.