(12-28-2013 08:33 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 07:33 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 03:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 10:27 AM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 10:11 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  ESPN and the Big Ten negotiating early is a joke.

If something big was going down, then yeah, I think they would be talking now. And it wouldn't be unreasonable for Fox to have an idea about what is being discussed.

I think Fox and ESPN are happy willing to share if it means narrowing the field down to just them.

The B1G is not going to rush in to signing any new deal to replace the one expiring in 2016. They will field offers from ESPN, FOX, NBC, everyone.

My guess is that the B1G package ends up split between Fox and ESPN. Fox will clearly want a piece of the package, but ESPN will not be outbid. They seem likely to partner like they have with the P12 and B12 to avoid driving up the cost. The addition of RU and UMD ensures plenty of inventory for both plus the BTN.

Apparently you and I don't know what we are talking about.

You aren't saying the same thing as him. He is saying that there would be negotiating between ESPN and The Big Ten. You are saying there wouldn't be.

Come on now....you can do better.

Yes, Fox is about to have some serious expendable cash to offer up to The Big Ten. That is why it is smart for ESPN to try and beat the 2016-2017 window. ESPN is needed for something very large to happen. They likely wont do it until they get this renegotiation with The Big Ten because when that thing happens, ESPN is going to lose a lot of it's negotiating power.

(12-27-2013 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

Whatever T Shirt fan. Renegotiations with ESPN happening two and a half years early. I guess ACC school's don't teach very much business.

Keep telling yourself that. Let's see all of those Maryland and NY/NJ fans buying the Big 10 network.

Thanks for the proof that you don't know how it works. Were you involved in Athletics when you were at UNC? That might explain a few things.

Show me the money. You like flapping your gums, but you don't have anything to back it up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...-contract/

Well done. You find an 18 month old opinion piece that isn't accurate because the numbers for the ACC went up with Notre Dame and post it as relevant to your argument.

(12-28-2013 10:45 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-27-2013 07:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Keep telling yourself that. Let's see all of those Maryland and NY/NJ fans buying the Big 10 network.

Thanks for the proof that you don't know how it works. Were you involved in Athletics when you were at UNC? That might explain a few things.

Show me the money. You like flapping your gums, but you don't have anything to back it up.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...-contract/

Well done. You find an 18 month old opinion piece that isn't accurate because the numbers for the ACC went up with Notre Dame and post it as relevant to your argument.

Well done, you conveniently did not quote the very next post because...it isn't relevant to your argument?

(12-28-2013 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

The B1G is the exemplar of why "winning" (in the short run, at least) is vastly overrated as a driver of media dollars. Media companies don't care if schools win or lose, they care if people watch, and the B1G has the big brand names with the big fan bases, and people watch. So they get paid.

But even on the field, the B1G isn't as bad as their reputation. For example, since 2009, the B1G is 4-3 in BCS bowl games. That's more BCS bowl wins than the ACC has in the entire 15 year history of the BCS. Overall, during the BCS era, the B1G has 12 BCS bowl wins, more than the Big 12, ACC, or Big East, trailing only the SEC and PAC.

(12-28-2013 08:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

Even though Pitt-Maryland will never play each other on the gridiron as ACC foes, I'll miss them. They seemed to be the one ACC school where I thought a legit rivalry could've formed.

That is because on field results matter less to the Networks than how many people are willing to watch the live event. As long as on field result doesn't cause that number to start going down then the conference can expect that they wont have to accept a decrease in value from the Networks.

With that being said, should the Big Ten get their **** together, Delany will be an absolute beast at the negotiating table.

I do think the Big Ten is improving across the board and the unbiased eye in the sky (ESPN) see's it too.

Appreciate the lesson on what I already know. Sh*t definitely has to do more w/ ratings, brand names, and markets. Always has been, and always will be.

(12-28-2013 09:50 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  It's unfortunate that Penn State will block Pitt, that's a school id like to see considered for 15/16.

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Appreciate it man. I prefer to see Pitt in the B1G, but I understand why our admin prefers the ACC due to our alumni base being up and down the eastern seaboard esp NC.

It would suck to be a fan of a wrestling school, I agree with the agrivated poster. I'm glad the ACC is on the up and up.

(12-29-2013 01:25 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

The B1G is the exemplar of why "winning" (in the short run, at least) is vastly overrated as a driver of media dollars. Media companies don't care if schools win or lose, they care if people watch, and the B1G has the big brand names with the big fan bases, and people watch. So they get paid.

But even on the field, the B1G isn't as bad as their reputation. For example, since 2009, the B1G is 4-3 in BCS bowl games. That's more BCS bowl wins than the ACC has in the entire 15 year history of the BCS. Overall, during the BCS era, the B1G has 12 BCS bowl wins, more than the Big 12, ACC, or Big East, trailing only the SEC and PAC.

(12-28-2013 08:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

Even though Pitt-Maryland will never play each other on the gridiron as ACC foes, I'll miss them. They seemed to be the one ACC school where I thought a legit rivalry could've formed.

That is because on field results matter less to the Networks than how many people are willing to watch the live event. As long as on field result doesn't cause that number to start going down then the conference can expect that they wont have to accept a decrease in value from the Networks.

With that being said, should the Big Ten get their **** together, Delany will be an absolute beast at the negotiating table.

I do think the Big Ten is improving across the board and the unbiased eye in the sky (ESPN) see's it too.

Appreciate the lesson on what I already know. Sh*t definitely has to do more w/ ratings, brand names, and markets. Always has been, and always will be.

Aww come on now CP, I wasn't trying to take you to school. I was just conversing.

(12-29-2013 08:28 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 01:25 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

The B1G is the exemplar of why "winning" (in the short run, at least) is vastly overrated as a driver of media dollars. Media companies don't care if schools win or lose, they care if people watch, and the B1G has the big brand names with the big fan bases, and people watch. So they get paid.

But even on the field, the B1G isn't as bad as their reputation. For example, since 2009, the B1G is 4-3 in BCS bowl games. That's more BCS bowl wins than the ACC has in the entire 15 year history of the BCS. Overall, during the BCS era, the B1G has 12 BCS bowl wins, more than the Big 12, ACC, or Big East, trailing only the SEC and PAC.

(12-28-2013 08:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

Even though Pitt-Maryland will never play each other on the gridiron as ACC foes, I'll miss them. They seemed to be the one ACC school where I thought a legit rivalry could've formed.

That is because on field results matter less to the Networks than how many people are willing to watch the live event. As long as on field result doesn't cause that number to start going down then the conference can expect that they wont have to accept a decrease in value from the Networks.

With that being said, should the Big Ten get their **** together, Delany will be an absolute beast at the negotiating table.

I do think the Big Ten is improving across the board and the unbiased eye in the sky (ESPN) see's it too.

Appreciate the lesson on what I already know. Sh*t definitely has to do more w/ ratings, brand names, and markets. Always has been, and always will be.

Aww come on now CP, I wasn't trying to take you to school. I was just conversing.

(12-29-2013 08:44 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 08:28 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 01:25 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

The B1G is the exemplar of why "winning" (in the short run, at least) is vastly overrated as a driver of media dollars. Media companies don't care if schools win or lose, they care if people watch, and the B1G has the big brand names with the big fan bases, and people watch. So they get paid.

But even on the field, the B1G isn't as bad as their reputation. For example, since 2009, the B1G is 4-3 in BCS bowl games. That's more BCS bowl wins than the ACC has in the entire 15 year history of the BCS. Overall, during the BCS era, the B1G has 12 BCS bowl wins, more than the Big 12, ACC, or Big East, trailing only the SEC and PAC.

(12-28-2013 08:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 08:26 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to give credit where it's due, Delany finds a way to get big time TV deals. On paper, the football league has been horrible the past 8-10 years. Still doesn't change the fact that the league has ample amount of brand names like OSU, Mich, Nebraska, and PSU w/ programs like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan State providing support w/ their large fan bases.

Even though Pitt-Maryland will never play each other on the gridiron as ACC foes, I'll miss them. They seemed to be the one ACC school where I thought a legit rivalry could've formed.

That is because on field results matter less to the Networks than how many people are willing to watch the live event. As long as on field result doesn't cause that number to start going down then the conference can expect that they wont have to accept a decrease in value from the Networks.

With that being said, should the Big Ten get their **** together, Delany will be an absolute beast at the negotiating table.

I do think the Big Ten is improving across the board and the unbiased eye in the sky (ESPN) see's it too.

Appreciate the lesson on what I already know. Sh*t definitely has to do more w/ ratings, brand names, and markets. Always has been, and always will be.

Aww come on now CP, I wasn't trying to take you to school. I was just conversing.

So sensitive!

Well...a throne IS a throne, so thank you I guess.

(12-29-2013 01:27 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 09:50 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  It's unfortunate that Penn State will block Pitt, that's a school id like to see considered for 15/16.

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Appreciate it man. I prefer to see Pitt in the B1G, but I understand why our admin prefers the ACC due to our alumni base being up and down the eastern seaboard esp NC.

Well, I'm a PSU alum who's glad Paterno and Spanier are gone because of the potential fences that can be mended were there ever a chance Pitt and PSU could be united in the Big Ten, no matter how far down the road that could happen.

As for the Big Ten's ability to make money...one only needs to look at the size of those schools. People think the Big Ten didn't get much from RU and UMD...heh. Good one. They got the ACC's second biggest school and one of the Big East's biggest. That's...quite an alumni/fan base they have there with those 14 schools. And, with UMD and JHU...that's a good combo to have in the Beltway.