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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:09 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Question.... My Boss for the last time went to a lesbian wedding tonight. One of the ladies getting married actually became a woman roughly 20 years ago. The other lady has always been a lady. Was it really a lesbian wedding? Also, why become a woman to be with a woman?

Yes, it was a lesbian wedding. Both partners hold themselves out to be female. You should always address a person with their chosen gender.

Its just common decency.

Did I not do that?
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 09:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 07:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 07:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is where the left misses the boat and ends up hurting their cause even more.

When gay marriage is forced upon the public - a public where 67 percent of the population is opposed, it actually creates resentment and anger towards the gay community as a whole.

This is no triumph. This does not force tolerance. It only makes that acceptance even more difficult to obtain.

We have become a country where the courts rule. That will have to be corrected.

We have always been a country where the court has final say...

We have never been a country where it there is total rule by the bench until this administration. This is a monarchy. A govt by decree.

Liberalism is dying and they are the ones who willingly drank the poison.

03-lmfao the constitutionality of the amendment was challenged...the court has ALWAYS decided what is/is not constitutional.

You just don't like his decision...but it's legally valid.

So all of a sudden the Constitution has value? When did that start?

You and Obama should be ashamed what this administration has done to the Constitution and now you have the gonads to hide behind it because you found something that supports your side. Where do you stand on the second amendment? How about the First when conservatives speak their minds about gays? Where do you stand on the Washington Redskins using that name?
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:14 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:09 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Question.... My Boss for the last time went to a lesbian wedding tonight. One of the ladies getting married actually became a woman roughly 20 years ago. The other lady has always been a lady. Was it really a lesbian wedding? Also, why become a woman to be with a woman?

Yes, it was a lesbian wedding. Both partners hold themselves out to be female. You should always address a person with their chosen gender.

Its just common decency.

Did I not do that?

I wasn't accusing you of not being decent. You asked a question, and I answered that.

Now, regarding your second question as to why a person would become a woman and then marry another woman, I have no idea. But I actually know two cases exactly like that here in Texas.

I think that there might be a difference between the way peoples concept of sexual desires and gender identification work. To be fair, I've wondered the same thing myself. Both those couples seem to be quite happy. Good for them.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 08:39 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why are there guys like the OP and UofMemphis who are constantly excited about this issue?

Umm... count the number of gay related threads started on this forum. How many were by me or UofM?

Actually the vast majority were started by Ever Respect, who trolls the internet for slanted stories cherrypicked to try and demean LGBT persons.

I rarely start a thread in here.

Tom, why do gays associate themselves with transgenders? They're totally different.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 06:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why are there guys like the OP and UofMemphis who are constantly excited about this issue?

Maybe because I am GAY, and would like to have equality in my life time so I can marry my partner?


Yeah, that would be it for me.

Would you settle for having everything but having it called something other than marriage? I think most of the country could live with that.
Separate but equal doesn't work.

And majority of country is now in favor of gay marriage
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 05:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Gay marriage = no husband, no wife, and no traditional way to have kids. Without a natural way to perpetuate the weak among us should have faded away. But it takes a court ruling by ONE PERSON to upset what nature decided was the best was for life to continue in it's strongest form.

Libs, you have nothing to be proud of.

Two gays marrying will have no effect whatever on my heterosexual marriage.

Zero. I checked.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 06:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why are there guys like the OP and UofMemphis who are constantly excited about this issue?

Maybe because I am GAY, and would like to have equality in my life time so I can marry my partner?


Yeah, that would be it for me.

Would you settle for having everything but having it called something other than marriage? I think most of the country could live with that.
Separate but equal doesn't work.

And majority of country is now in favor of gay marriage

We've covered this before; what if most of the country was in favor of slavery?

And separate but equal is all around you. It's everywhere.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 09:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 07:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 07:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Here is where the left misses the boat and ends up hurting their cause even more.

When gay marriage is forced upon the public - a public where 67 percent of the population is opposed, it actually creates resentment and anger towards the gay community as a whole.

This is no triumph. This does not force tolerance. It only makes that acceptance even more difficult to obtain.

We have become a country where the courts rule. That will have to be corrected.

We have always been a country where the court has final say...

We have never been a country where it there is total rule by the bench until this administration. This is a monarchy. A govt by decree.

Liberalism is dying and they are the ones who willingly drank the poison.

03-lmfao the constitutionality of the amendment was challenged...the court has ALWAYS decided what is/is not constitutional.

You just don't like his decision...but it's legally valid.

So all of a sudden the Constitution has value? When did that start?

You and Obama should be ashamed what this administration has done to the Constitution and now you have the gonads to hide behind it because you found something that supports your side. Where do you stand on the second amendment? How about the First when conservatives speak their minds about gays? Where do you stand on the Washington Redskins using that name?

I've said on here before I carry a gun for a living and fully believe in Americans having the right to own pistols or hunting rifles for defense or sport...but I think everyone should have to pass a background check and Assault Weapon style guns such as AR-15s and AK-47s should be illegal for civilians.

Guns and immigration I tend to side against Obama...I also wish he would keep his promise to close Gitmo and bring our troops home.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 06:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why are there guys like the OP and UofMemphis who are constantly excited about this issue?

Maybe because I am GAY, and would like to have equality in my life time so I can marry my partner?


Yeah, that would be it for me.

Would you settle for having everything but having it called something other than marriage? I think most of the country could live with that.
Separate but equal doesn't work.

And majority of country is now in favor of gay marriage

Yep.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:19 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 08:39 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why are there guys like the OP and UofMemphis who are constantly excited about this issue?

Umm... count the number of gay related threads started on this forum. How many were by me or UofM?

Actually the vast majority were started by Ever Respect, who trolls the internet for slanted stories cherrypicked to try and demean LGBT persons.

I rarely start a thread in here.

Tom, why do gays associate themselves with transgenders? They're totally different.

They are. I know several couples and singles from that community from various organizations that I'm involved with.
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(12-20-2013 11:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  And majority of country is now in favor of gay marriage

If you're using that as an argument then you just lost. Voters in Utah and California voted to ban gay marriage.
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Once gay marriages in California actually began, and the world didn't end, support started steadily rising. You'll see the same thing in some other states. The tipping point has been reached.
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(12-20-2013 11:51 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Once gay marriages in California actually began, and the world didn't end, support started steadily rising. You'll see the same thing in some other states. The tipping point has been reached.

Yep, you just boiled a frog.
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I'm really surprised the Utah officials didn't ask for a stay from the judge immediately following the ruling. Seems strange to me.
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RE: Utah gay marriage ban struck down
(12-20-2013 11:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 06:16 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 05:26 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why are there guys like the OP and UofMemphis who are constantly excited about this issue?

Maybe because I am GAY, and would like to have equality in my life time so I can marry my partner?


Yeah, that would be it for me.

Would you settle for having everything but having it called something other than marriage? I think most of the country could live with that.
Separate but equal doesn't work.

And majority of country is now in favor of gay marriage

Yep.

Not in Utah. In case you forgot, we are a republic. This kind of ruling will hurt the gays in the court of public opinion. Like I said. This is not a victory.

Just out of curiosity, why do you live in a state that does not allow it?
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(12-21-2013 12:19 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:51 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Once gay marriages in California actually began, and the world didn't end, support started steadily rising. You'll see the same thing in some other states. The tipping point has been reached.

Yep, you just boiled a frog.

What frog?

How is any straight person harmed by gay marriage?
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(12-21-2013 08:04 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(12-21-2013 12:19 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(12-20-2013 11:51 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Once gay marriages in California actually began, and the world didn't end, support started steadily rising. You'll see the same thing in some other states. The tipping point has been reached.

Yep, you just boiled a frog.

What frog?

How is any straight person harmed by gay marriage?

The concept of marriage is being diluted and will eventually be rendered meaningless. If every person on the planet was allowed to be an American citizen, then how special and unique would your citizenship be?

I've preached this before, give gays all the rights of marriage but call it something else. When I tell someone I'm married I don't want their next question to be "to a man or a woman?"
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Take a look around. We straights have ****** up marriage nicely without the help.
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(12-21-2013 01:33 AM)Murray007 Wrote:  I'm really surprised the Utah officials didn't ask for a stay from the judge immediately following the ruling. Seems strange to me.

I thought they did. I don't know why they wouldn't - perhaps they know that a higher court would just deny it? Maybe they did and it was immediately denied. That IS strange.
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The ruling is in repeal and the Governor of Utah is assembling a legal team.
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