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(12-16-2013 05:45 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  
(12-16-2013 08:40 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  This is setting up to be a pretty big game Wednesday night against two solid teams. With WKU getting some players back and USM only a single loss.......what's everybody's thoughts?

My thought is this ....... Go Southern Miss!!!!

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(12-16-2013 05:45 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  
(12-16-2013 08:40 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  This is setting up to be a pretty big game Wednesday night against two solid teams. With WKU getting some players back and USM only a single loss.......what's everybody's thoughts?

My thought is this ....... Go Southern Miss!!!!

(Sorry, couldn't resist :) )

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This is gonna be a good game. My prediction:

USM 74
WKU 70
12-17-2013 10:29 AM
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(12-17-2013 10:29 AM)TTT Wrote:  This is gonna be a good game. My prediction:

USM 74
WKU 70

You got a decent conference schedule to earn your stripes, we need this win.
12-17-2013 10:34 AM
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(12-16-2013 10:50 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  WKU has played some pretty good competition and is battle-tested. USM on the other hand, has played an extremely weak schedule and was blown out by their only tough opponent (UL) on the road. So I will say advantage WKU especially since the game is at WKU.

This analysis is absolutely brilliant. USM has beaten DePaul, North Dakota State, and South Alabama all on the road. At least two of those road wins are better than WKU's best win which I suppose would be a win vs a 4-6 UNC-Wilmington squad at home. USM's "extremely weak" schedule gives us a SOS of 123 (RPI), 101 (Pomeroy) or 135 (Sagarin) depending on which measure you prefer. WKU's SOS is ranked 255, 152, and 221 by the same measurements. Once you get past the two teams that beat them by 17 and 16 points respectively, WKU hasn't faced a team with a winning record vs D-I competition. USM on the other hand has beaten 3 teams with winning records vs D-I competition.

You could make the argument that we're playing on the road and WKU is tough at home. All games are tough on the road especially when you're an aggressive defensive team because the refs will not let you get overly aggresive. You might even make the argument that WKU had a better showing against the teams' sole common opponent. It would be a fairly weak argument but I'd listen to it. The argument that WKU is battle tested while USM has played a patsy schedule just doesn't hold water at all.

As to my opinion of the actual matchup, I'm a little concerned about WKU's ability to rebound on their offensive end. Playing a zone almost exclusively makes defensive rebounding a bit of a weakness. WKU will take 25+ 3-pt shots. If you hit 10 or more, you probably win the game. WKU has longer guards. It'll be a tough matchup for our guys, but that's been the case in virtually every game we've played so far. I'm basing this just off of stats since I haven't seen WKU play a game this season, but it looks like WKU plays a straight man defense. Offensively, we've looked much more efficient against a man defense than we have against zone defenses this season, but we haven't seen a whole lot of man defense in our last few games. Morehead played about 50/50, but everyone else since Houston Baptist has been zone 100% of the time. I think USM is a more well-rounded team with three players averaging double figures and 5 guys over 8 pts a game compared to WKU with two guys averaging double figures (excluding the kid who just has one game under his belt) and just 3 over 8 per game. That could change a bit with the new additions. I don't know anything about Harrison-Docks, but I saw Trency Jackson play quite a bit in Jackson and then a little when he first came to USM in practice and an exhibition. He's got some talent and good athleticism, but he's got the same ailment most Jackson High School player has in that he thinks he's Monta Ellis and wants to take every shot he gets. Improve his shot selection and get him moving toward the basket, and he should be a good one in time.

If I was an oddsmaker, I'd open the line at USM -3, but I always think too little credit is given to home court advantage so it really is anybody's game.
12-17-2013 11:23 AM
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(12-17-2013 11:23 AM)istrahan Wrote:  
(12-16-2013 10:50 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  WKU has played some pretty good competition and is battle-tested. USM on the other hand, has played an extremely weak schedule and was blown out by their only tough opponent (UL) on the road. So I will say advantage WKU especially since the game is at WKU.

This analysis is absolutely brilliant. USM has beaten DePaul, North Dakota State, and South Alabama all on the road. At least two of those road wins are better than WKU's best win which I suppose would be a win vs a 4-6 UNC-Wilmington squad at home. USM's "extremely weak" schedule gives us a SOS of 123 (RPI), 101 (Pomeroy) or 135 (Sagarin) depending on which measure you prefer. WKU's SOS is ranked 255, 152, and 221 by the same measurements. Once you get past the two teams that beat them by 17 and 16 points respectively, WKU hasn't faced a team with a winning record vs D-I competition. USM on the other hand has beaten 3 teams with winning records vs D-I competition.

You could make the argument that we're playing on the road and WKU is tough at home. All games are tough on the road especially when you're an aggressive defensive team because the refs will not let you get overly aggresive. You might even make the argument that WKU had a better showing against the teams' sole common opponent. It would be a fairly weak argument but I'd listen to it. The argument that WKU is battle tested while USM has played a patsy schedule just doesn't hold water at all.

As to my opinion of the actual matchup, I'm a little concerned about WKU's ability to rebound on their offensive end. Playing a zone almost exclusively makes defensive rebounding a bit of a weakness. WKU will take 25+ 3-pt shots. If you hit 10 or more, you probably win the game. WKU has longer guards. It'll be a tough matchup for our guys, but that's been the case in virtually every game we've played so far. I'm basing this just off of stats since I haven't seen WKU play a game this season, but it looks like WKU plays a straight man defense. Offensively, we've looked much more efficient against a man defense than we have against zone defenses this season, but we haven't seen a whole lot of man defense in our last few games. Morehead played about 50/50, but everyone else since Houston Baptist has been zone 100% of the time. I think USM is a more well-rounded team with three players averaging double figures and 5 guys over 8 pts a game compared to WKU with two guys averaging double figures (excluding the kid who just has one game under his belt) and just 3 over 8 per game. That could change a bit with the new additions. I don't know anything about Harrison-Docks, but I saw Trency Jackson play quite a bit in Jackson and then a little when he first came to USM in practice and an exhibition. He's got some talent and good athleticism, but he's got the same ailment most Jackson High School player has in that he thinks he's Monta Ellis and wants to take every shot he gets. Improve his shot selection and get him moving toward the basket, and he should be a good one in time.

If I was an oddsmaker, I'd open the line at USM -3, but I always think too little credit is given to home court advantage so it really is anybody's game.

Nice analysis, but USM needs to clean up it's sloppiness to win this game on the road. Our schedule has been much tougher that WKU's so far...
12-17-2013 11:30 AM
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(12-17-2013 11:30 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Nice analysis, but USM needs to clean up it's sloppiness to win this game on the road. Our schedule has been much tougher that WKU's so far...


Really!?! We've played 9 D1 games with average Sagarin rating of 190. You guys have played 8 D1 + 2 NAIA schools--avg Sagarin of 156; we've played 2 Top 10 teams vs 1 for you guys. So, in my opinion, schedules are basically a wash. But hey, come Wednesday night we'll get the answer!! 04-chairshot
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I am not confident that we are beating anyone at this point, but I do like that SOuthern MIss is not that tall....That should help Fant inside a little as he struggles against taller opponents...
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(12-17-2013 11:23 AM)istrahan Wrote:  
(12-16-2013 10:50 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  WKU has played some pretty good competition and is battle-tested. USM on the other hand, has played an extremely weak schedule and was blown out by their only tough opponent (UL) on the road. So I will say advantage WKU especially since the game is at WKU.

This analysis is absolutely brilliant. USM has beaten DePaul, North Dakota State, and South Alabama all on the road. At least two of those road wins are better than WKU's best win which I suppose would be a win vs a 4-6 UNC-Wilmington squad at home. USM's "extremely weak" schedule gives us a SOS of 123 (RPI), 101 (Pomeroy) or 135 (Sagarin) depending on which measure you prefer. WKU's SOS is ranked 255, 152, and 221 by the same measurements. Once you get past the two teams that beat them by 17 and 16 points respectively, WKU hasn't faced a team with a winning record vs D-I competition. USM on the other hand has beaten 3 teams with winning records vs D-I competition.

You could make the argument that we're playing on the road and WKU is tough at home. All games are tough on the road especially when you're an aggressive defensive team because the refs will not let you get overly aggresive. You might even make the argument that WKU had a better showing against the teams' sole common opponent. It would be a fairly weak argument but I'd listen to it. The argument that WKU is battle tested while USM has played a patsy schedule just doesn't hold water at all.

Alright dude settle down...lol. WKU has played the tougher competition even though they have lost those games. USM has handled their business outside of UL. I still believe WKU wins the game but it should be a dandy.
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It's hard to say what to expect from this WKU team since we are just getting our core guys on the floor for the first time against UofL I liked what I saw but I realize it will take 5-6 games for players to adjust. I don't see either team running away in this game and expect 8-12 win for whom ever comes out on top
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(12-17-2013 12:12 PM)Psychored Wrote:  
(12-17-2013 11:30 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Nice analysis, but USM needs to clean up it's sloppiness to win this game on the road. Our schedule has been much tougher that WKU's so far...


Really!?! We've played 9 D1 games with average Sagarin rating of 190. You guys have played 8 D1 + 2 NAIA schools--avg Sagarin of 156; we've played 2 Top 10 teams vs 1 for you guys. So, in my opinion, schedules are basically a wash. But hey, come Wednesday night we'll get the answer!! 04-chairshot

Uh... Yes, easily ... Check SOS
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(12-17-2013 02:53 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  
(12-17-2013 12:12 PM)Psychored Wrote:  
(12-17-2013 11:30 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Nice analysis, but USM needs to clean up it's sloppiness to win this game on the road. Our schedule has been much tougher that WKU's so far...


Really!?! We've played 9 D1 games with average Sagarin rating of 190. You guys have played 8 D1 + 2 NAIA schools--avg Sagarin of 156; we've played 2 Top 10 teams vs 1 for you guys. So, in my opinion, schedules are basically a wash. But hey, come Wednesday night we'll get the answer!! 04-chairshot

Uh... Yes, easily ... Check SOS

D2 teams are not counted for SOS. You have a .52 rating WKU has a .45 rating. Not much difference (not counting your 2 d2 games). These two teams are pretty close. USM has proven that they can win on the road, but I still think WKU overcomes. This team just got a lot better when the semester ended and the losing stops now.
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I was so excited and told my wife to put some beer and have my tumbler ready with snacks... Then discovered, we don't get ESPN 3.
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(12-18-2013 09:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I was so excited and told my wife to put some beer and have my tumbler ready with snacks... Then discovered, we don't get ESPN 3.

2 words for you: Sports Bar!! 04-cheers
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(12-18-2013 09:27 AM)Psychored Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 09:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I was so excited and told my wife to put some beer and have my tumbler ready with snacks... Then discovered, we don't get ESPN 3.

2 words for you: Sports Bar!! 04-cheers

Thinking about it.. But the beer and whiskey are so much cheaper at home, HA.
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YOu don't have a laptop or tablet to watch game on? You could also get an hdmi cable and hook up cable to TV...Also game is on ESPN Gameplan, so if you called around I am sure a bar would have game on TV...

hearing from Southern MIss's coach you would think his team is the worst team in the nation, haha..I love coach speak...
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(12-18-2013 09:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I was so excited and told my wife to put some beer and have my tumbler ready with snacks... Then discovered, we don't get ESPN 3.

Firstrow1.eu makes all these silly little problems go away.

Good luck to both teams tonight. Should be a great game to watch.
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I will be attending tonight..live 30 miles from BG. Hoping for a good competitive game and that we play better than we have lately. It's hard to figure our team out..maybe we start to find our identity tonight.

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(12-18-2013 09:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I was so excited and told my wife to put some beer and have my tumbler ready with snacks... Then discovered, we don't get ESPN 3.

ESN3 is an internet only channel. espn3.com. Whether you have it or not depends on your internet provider.
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