(12-13-2013 09:29 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Thank you PAC12 fan
I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
You're a PAC12 fan and a very obtuse one at that. Any fan of the G5 will recognize immediately that allowing what you suggest to happen will relegate all of the G5 to a new FCS status and largely diminish our programs. If you want that to happen then you are invited out of the conversation. This is a G5 member board afterall.
You are exactly right. That said, there are an amazing number of G5 fans who spout this PAC-12 fans view. Kinda scary that there are G5 fans who don't get it. Frankly, I'm of the opinion that many G5 programs would not survive the demotion. Media income and tv coverage would disappear. Crowds and ticket buying would dry up,. Without those two sources of income---the budget crunch on the athletic department could be pretty tough for many schools.
I worry about my own school in such a situation, I frankly do not think college football at anything but the top level of football would sell in a competitive marker like Houston. I doubt we are the only school that might have trouble in a demoted environment.
True football fans are fans of the sport of football and not just their college or pro team.
If we are all truly fans of the sport then it shouldn't matter what division our team plays in as long as it plays football. What we should care about rather than the glits and glamour of playing a big school is whether or not it's fair system.
I would much rather watch my team play in a system where they actually have a chance to win a championship than for them to play in a system where they have no shot at a national championship.
(12-13-2013 09:29 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Thank you PAC12 fan
I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
You're a PAC12 fan and a very obtuse one at that. Any fan of the G5 will recognize immediately that allowing what you suggest to happen will relegate all of the G5 to a new FCS status and largely diminish our programs. If you want that to happen then you are invited out of the conversation. This is a G5 member board afterall.
You are exactly right. That said, there are an amazing number of G5 fans who spout this PAC-12 fans view. Kinda scary that there are G5 fans who don't get it. Frankly, I'm of the opinion that many G5 programs would not survive the demotion. Media income and tv coverage would disappear. Crowds and ticket buying would dry up,. Without those two sources of income---the budget crunch on the athletic department could be pretty tough for many schools.
I worry about my own school in such a situation, I frankly do not think college football at anything but the top level of football would sell in a competitive marker like Houston. I doubt we are the only school that might have trouble in a demoted environment.
True football fans are fans of the sport of football and not just their college or pro team.
If we are all truly fans of the sport then it shouldn't matter what division our team plays in as long as it plays football. What we should care about rather than the glits and glamour of playing a big school is whether or not it's fair system.
I would much rather watch my team play in a system where they actually have a chance to win a championship than for them to play in a system where they have no shot at a national championship.
(12-13-2013 04:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote: They should just let the AQ conferences pay their players and let them play in a separate division.
Thank you PAC12 fan
I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
I don't know what ameture is. Must be a PAC12 or NMSU term.
Anyway, you are either baiting, OR have no clue on what is at risk here.
This would kill NCAA non-p5 teams' momentum in closing the gap in football and bball..... They know it, and we know it.
Football would be 2 groups under the NCAA. They take ALL the athletes, they take the money, and they take the ability for non-P5 to even compete.
Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
(12-14-2013 02:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote: I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
Open up, and gulp down the kool-aid...right bud? Let's all drop down to non-scholly D-II and enjoy the pleasures of amatuer athletics.
(12-12-2013 10:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: This ends up happening and I'll have a lot more disposable income and I will probably just follow baseball, hockey, and boxing.
Boxing!!!!????
Yes I'm a huge boxing fan, and I understand it might be the only sport more corrupt than college football, but I can accept that for 2 reasons. The first is no one tries to pretend that boxing isn't corrupt like the presidents, commissioners, and others in college football. The other is that no matter how rigged it is and how much the deck can be stacked against certain fighters you can still settle it and eliminate it all by finishing the guy.
(12-13-2013 04:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote: They should just let the AQ conferences pay their players and let them play in a separate division.
Thank you PAC12 fan
I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
I don't know what ameture is. Must be a PAC12 or NMSU term.
Anyway, you are either baiting, OR have no clue on what is at risk here.
This would kill NCAA non-p5 teams' momentum in closing the gap in football and bball..... They know it, and we know it.
Football would be 2 groups under the NCAA. They take ALL the athletes, they take the money, and they take the ability for non-P5 to even compete.
Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
(12-13-2013 09:29 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: Thank you PAC12 fan
I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
I don't know what ameture is. Must be a PAC12 or NMSU term.
Anyway, you are either baiting, OR have no clue on what is at risk here.
This would kill NCAA non-p5 teams' momentum in closing the gap in football and bball..... They know it, and we know it.
Football would be 2 groups under the NCAA. They take ALL the athletes, they take the money, and they take the ability for non-P5 to even compete.
Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
(12-14-2013 02:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote: I don't think you realize that the top conferences are already dominating the money, the media and the players. Allowing them to create their own division would simply make them a semi pro league ( which they already are) and allow the other conferences to enjoy ameture football with a playoff system.
Isn't that the reason why we enjoyed college football in the first place?
I don't know what ameture is. Must be a PAC12 or NMSU term.
Anyway, you are either baiting, OR have no clue on what is at risk here.
This would kill NCAA non-p5 teams' momentum in closing the gap in football and bball..... They know it, and we know it.
Football would be 2 groups under the NCAA. They take ALL the athletes, they take the money, and they take the ability for non-P5 to even compete.
Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
USC was Alabama before Alabama was Alabama.
Main article: 2001 USC Trojans football team
In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma).[7] Additionally, in 2009, ESPN.com ranked USC the second-best program in college football history.
(12-16-2013 01:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote: I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
(12-14-2013 08:18 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: I don't know what ameture is. Must be a PAC12 or NMSU term.
Anyway, you are either baiting, OR have no clue on what is at risk here.
This would kill NCAA non-p5 teams' momentum in closing the gap in football and bball..... They know it, and we know it.
Football would be 2 groups under the NCAA. They take ALL the athletes, they take the money, and they take the ability for non-P5 to even compete.
Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
USC was Alabama before Alabama was Alabama.
Main article: 2001 USC Trojans football team
In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma).[7] Additionally, in 2009, ESPN.com ranked USC the second-best program in college football history.
And today Alabama is a national title contender yearly, while USC is the PAC 12's equivalent to Texas Tech.
(12-16-2013 09:27 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
USC was Alabama before Alabama was Alabama.
Main article: 2001 USC Trojans football team
In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma).[7] Additionally, in 2009, ESPN.com ranked USC the second-best program in college football history.
And today Alabama is a national title contender yearly, while USC is the PAC 12's equivalent to Texas Tech.
If the SEC is such a great conference, how do the two last place teams from the previous year end up in the conference championship?
(12-16-2013 01:08 PM)Fitbud Wrote: I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
USC was Alabama before Alabama was Alabama.
Main article: 2001 USC Trojans football team
In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma).[7] Additionally, in 2009, ESPN.com ranked USC the second-best program in college football history.
And today Alabama is a national title contender yearly, while USC is the PAC 12's equivalent to Texas Tech.
If the SEC is such a great conference, how do the two last place teams from the previous year end up in the conference championship?
What? How is that even your response? The SEC is a good conference I don't see how that's relevant though. In 2013 and the immediate future USC is in the middle of the pack and an afterthought among national title contenders.
Again, I hope your hire the most qualified coach to lead you to a couple of rose bowls that eventually get vacated. Hopefully you can get a guy just as good as that guy who coaches at PED-eattle to be the face of the program.
(12-16-2013 01:15 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote: Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
USC was Alabama before Alabama was Alabama.
Main article: 2001 USC Trojans football team
In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma).[7] Additionally, in 2009, ESPN.com ranked USC the second-best program in college football history.
And today Alabama is a national title contender yearly, while USC is the PAC 12's equivalent to Texas Tech.
If the SEC is such a great conference, how do the two last place teams from the previous year end up in the conference championship?
What? How is that even your response? The SEC is a good conference I don't see how that's relevant though. In 2013 and the immediate future USC is in the middle of the pack and an afterthought among national title contenders.
Again, I hope your hire the most qualified coach to lead you to a couple of rose bowls that eventually get vacated. Hopefully you can get a guy just as good as that guy who coaches at PED-eattle to be the face of the program.
Moving on...
USC might be middle of the pack now but that is with NCAA sanctions. Just wait until they get back on full scholarships and they will contend for titles again.
SEC IS a good conference but they are overrated IMHO.
(12-16-2013 09:27 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: Honestly that gap isn't going to close regardless of whether they split or not. And they already take all the athletes and the money as is.
I'm not saying for the Non AQ schools to drop down. I'm saying they should allow the AQ schools to pay their players and play in a different division.
It's happening anyway. All the BCS bowls are AQ schools. Open your eyes and see that it is already happening.
Why don't you just return to your Pac 12 forums to figure out which coach USC is going to hire to rack up 6 win seasons and recruiting violations this time.
USC was Alabama before Alabama was Alabama.
Main article: 2001 USC Trojans football team
In 2009, USC was named “Team of the Decade” by both CBSSports.com and Football.com, as well as the “Program of the Decade” by SI.com, plus was No. 1 in CollegeFootballNews.com’s “5-Year Program Rankings” and was ranked No. 2 in ESPN.com’s “Prestige Rankings” among all schools since 1936 (behind Oklahoma).[7] Additionally, in 2009, ESPN.com ranked USC the second-best program in college football history.
And today Alabama is a national title contender yearly, while USC is the PAC 12's equivalent to Texas Tech.
Except Texas Tech since joining the SWC in 1956 and up to the present has won or tied for 1 (maybe) 2 conference championships. That dismal record has to be a downer for Red Raider fans everywhere. I don't look for TCU to do much better in the Big 12, either. Just my .02
(This post was last modified: 12-17-2013 12:59 PM by MeanGreenGem.)
What's the difference.
