(12-08-2013 09:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  There is some good D2 basketball played around here too if you are paying attention.

Such as East Carolina ?

(12-08-2013 09:09 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  Comparing your best players to NBA greats and the team to top 25 programs just makes him look like the town jester.

Where TF have I done that. I said Akeem could shoot 3's with the best in college basketball history. That's a fact. That doesn't mean I compared him or his overall game to them as an overall player and their greatness as such. There are players in every sport that have better stats in some areas and are great college players that don't have NBA/NFL talent. That's very common in fact.

jfc sj, you're a step away from telling everyone snow white was hotter than cinderella....really, a D2 discussion?

you're speaking with a shovel and starting at the 6' mark....just quit before the dirt falls on ya

(12-08-2013 09:16 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  There is some good D2 basketball played around here too if you are paying attention.

Such as East Carolina ?

Yep, same D2 school more people still care to pay for a ticket and see at the arena the last few years as UAB. That's big time right there failing to outdraw a D2 program like ECU Go on with your big time selfs.

(12-08-2013 09:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  jfc sj, you're a step away from telling everyone snow white was hotter than cinderella....really, a D2 discussion?

you're speaking with a shovel and starting at the 6' mark....just quit before the dirt falls on ya

You're definitely right... I quit

(12-08-2013 09:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  jfc sj, you're a step away from telling everyone snow white was hotter than cinderella....really, a D2 discussion?

you're speaking with a shovel and starting at the 6' mark....just quit before the dirt falls on ya

If someone pans them as some mom and pop night school, yeah I'll post some facts. They are clearly very competitive at that level and serious about basketball and other sports. The very first paragraph I posted today I said we shouldn't have struggled with them, but guess what we won You people say these games don't matter but yet here we are 6 hours later still talking about it. Hell someone will probably bring it up 6 months from now. You play enough of these like we do and anyone will come out flat one time, our guys gutted it out today and there is actually more valuable lessons to take away in this game than beating down some scrub D1 like McNeesey State by 30 like we did too. Good thing this game doesn't matter though as you guys have told us so many times As much as you want to talk about it you should re-evaluate that.

(12-08-2013 09:16 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  There is some good D2 basketball played around here too if you are paying attention.

Such as East Carolina ?

ECU has beaten UAB 4 out of the last 5 times the teams have played; and one of the games was during UAB's season when they won CUSA. Just in case you forgot.

(12-08-2013 09:28 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  jfc sj, you're a step away from telling everyone snow white was hotter than cinderella....really, a D2 discussion?

you're speaking with a shovel and starting at the 6' mark....just quit before the dirt falls on ya

If someone pans them as some mom and pop night school, yeah I'll post some facts. They are clearly very competitive at that level and serious about basketball and other sports. The very first paragraph I posted today I said we shouldn't have struggled with them, but guess what we won You people say these games don't matter but yet here we are 6 hours later still talking about it. Hell someone will probably bring it up 6 months from now. You play enough of these like we do and anyone will come out flat one time, our guys gutted it out today and there is actually more valuable lessons to take away in this game than beating down some scrub D1 like McNeesey State by 30 like we did too. Good thing this game doesn't matter though as you guys have told us so many times As much as you want to talk about it you should re-evaluate that.

It was an ECU fan who referred to them as a night school. It was YOU who first used the phrase "mom and pop night school"

I'm still unclear how them winning the D2 championship in baseball five years ago means anything regarding their basketball team and close victory over the might Lebo's today.

(12-08-2013 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:16 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  There is some good D2 basketball played around here too if you are paying attention.

Such as East Carolina ?

ECU has beaten UAB 4 out of the last 5 times the teams have played; and one of the games was during UAB's season when they won CUSA. Just in case you forgot.

Yes, we get it. You beat Mike Davis in the conference tournament. You were the lucky team that played UAB that year. Let's not forget that in that very same season, UAB won the other two games. In the past 2 seasons, we are 1-3 vs ECU. The season before that we were 2-1. That means nothing to me now. Our teams are both very different this season than they were last.

Glad ECU pulled it out. Games against D2 schools don't matter until you lose or almost lose against one, then it's just embarrassing. Which is why games against them are really no-win after the pre-season (aside from replacing foes that would reduce rpi to fill out a home schedule).

Games like this are typical when you rely so heavily on 3's. You have a shot of upsetting top teams, but also a chance to lose to putrid opponents when the shots aren't falling.

Richmond is the definition of a streak shooter, a gunner that can shoot you into or out of games. His 3 pt. shooting so far is 23-64(!) through 6 games, 36%, but includes a 6-11 game along with 2-8 and 3-13. As far as I can tell from statsheet, Richmond has attempted more 3 pointers than any other player in the nation so far, but I believe that may include the D-2 games. I think ECU would be better off over the course of the season if he didn't shoot so much, but with the lack of depth, maybe the high-risk, high-reward strategy is worth a try.

(12-08-2013 09:53 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:16 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 09:14 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  There is some good D2 basketball played around here too if you are paying attention.

Such as East Carolina ?

ECU has beaten UAB 4 out of the last 5 times the teams have played; and one of the games was during UAB's season when they won CUSA. Just in case you forgot.

Yes, we get it. You beat Mike Davis in the conference tournament. You were the lucky team that played UAB that year. Let's not forget that in that very same season, UAB won the other two games. In the past 2 seasons, we are 1-3 vs ECU. The season before that we were 2-1. That means nothing to me now. Our teams are both very different this season than they were last.

Which means nothing until they play head to head this year.

(12-08-2013 10:10 PM)9erken Wrote:  Glad ECU pulled it out. Games against D2 schools don't matter until you lose or almost lose against one, then it's just embarrassing. Which is why games against them are really no-win after the pre-season (aside from replacing foes that would reduce rpi to fill out a home schedule).

For it not to matter you sure are making it a big deal now , you'll even ***** about them hurting and even helping us the same breath. Funny how that works when we struggle with one suddenly is a big deal then where as you would never give us credit for any of them. Even when I say ignore them like the you want and the RPI does, then you ***** about the RPI.

Quote:Games like this are typical when you rely so heavily on 3's. You have a shot of upsetting top teams, but also a chance to lose to putrid opponents when the shots aren't falling.

Get a grip. Our only losses were to a top 5 Duke team by 9 points and UNCW by 2 with a young team battling 2 season ending injuries in the post.

Quote:Richmond is the definition of a streak shooter, a gunner that can shoot you into or out of games.

What the hell is Curry then. Do I need to post his game logs his last year at Davidson yet again? Dude was a Consensus ALL American.





The 3 pointers are the far column. He had some horrible shooting games no different than Akeem, Durant or anyone else that plays basketball and is a primary scorer for their team. You can look up any game log and see it.

Curry
5-26
6-20
6-23
5-18
9-27
7-23
11-30

That's just overall from the field, not even 3's which makes it worse, and he was a consensus All American and probably the greatest shooter perhaps ever that owns both the NCAA and NBA 3's record in a season too. You think his fans sit around and blamed him? You can look at any game log at any level and see bad games all over the place.

Richmond got to the line 14 times today, still scored 16 and led us in scoring, hit clutch shots and people are still dogging him.

Quote:His 3 pt. shooting so far is 23-64(!) through 6 games, 36%, but includes a 6-11 game along with 2-8 and 3-13.

..and he's 19-48 for (39%) in the 4 D2 games this year. WTF is your point. You act like there is a big difference or that he gains some massive advantage. He was worse in those games last year in fact than D1 ones, and he'll play 32+ games this year. He will likely will finish with percentages somewhere from 38-42% overall pretty consistent like always with an effective FG just like he is shooting about 57-60% from 2. That's the thing you people can't wrap your head around the value of a 3 pointer.

Quote:As far as I can tell from statsheet, Richmond has attempted more 3 pointers than any other player in the nation so far, but I believe that may include the D-2 games. I think ECU would be better off over the course of the season if he didn't shoot so much, but with the lack of depth, maybe the high-risk, high-reward strategy is worth a try.

His effective FG % is almost 60% and top 5 before the game in CUSA and one of the best and most efficient scorers in CUSA. Today he even got to the FT line 14 times where he hits 90%+ .

He's attacking everyone now. Even the posters who aren't baiting him.

StillJonesing + Pirate Marv =

So what your saying is Mount Olive has been to the NCAA's a few times and that validates them.
How many years will ECU keep Lebo if he continues to fail to get in NCAA's?
This is yr 4. 6years? 8 yrs? The rest of his career ?
He has never been to the NCAA in 16 seasons.
Just some avg luck would land you there one time in 16 yrs.
Lebo is not only unsuccessful, but he is also unlucky.

Jonesing, if there is any fanbase to listen to in regard to relying heavily on the 3, it's Charlotte. That's ALL Charlotte was in the Lutz era. That's why Charlotte could beat anyone, but then lose against anyone as well. It's just the reality of a team when you rely on the 3-ball.

Also, it was a privilege to catch the last four minutes of the ECU game on First Row yesterday. I can now say I am blessed to have witnessed the greatness of Division II Player of the Year, Akeem Richmond.

(12-08-2013 11:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  For it not to matter you sure are making it a big deal now , you'll even ***** about them hurting and even helping us the same breath. Funny how that works when we struggle with one suddenly is a big deal then where as you would never give us credit for any of them. Even when I say ignore them like the you want and the RPI does, then you ***** about the RPI.

For you to be yawning, you sure are getting worked up about it. But did you read what I wrote? D2 games don't matter, until you lose or look bad in them. Then they make your team look bad (i.e. they matter, though not all that much by the end of the season). It's just the nature of those games.

I will correct one thing I said, it does matter that ECU plays these games because it hurts the rpi of the rest of the conference for ECU to be playing so many D2 teams instead of lower level D1 teams. If ECU would rack up more D1 wins, that would raise the overall conference rpi by the end of the season, even if those wins were against teams with terrible records.

(12-08-2013 08:08 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 07:53 PM)HXC NINER Wrote:  I see you are still sore about being wrong on that one though. You can only blame that on your own AD though haha. He vouched for us.

I wasn't wrong, you were. We never played a down of football in the same conference as you and that's what you specifically posted like a school girl with glee over. The simple fact that we would be in the same conference in football as your one year old program had you beside yourself. Nope.

Get over yourself. Having ECU in the same conference was great from a potential in state rivalry perspective, not because ECU is a good football team. What are going to do when we eventually ARE in the same conference?

(12-08-2013 11:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

Quote:His 3 pt. shooting so far is 23-64(!) through 6 games, 36%, but includes a 6-11 game along with 2-8 and 3-13.

..and he's 19-48 for (39%) in the 4 D2 games this year. WTF is your point. You act like there is a big difference or that he gains some massive advantage. He was worse in those games last year in fact than D1 ones, and he'll play 32+ games this year. He will likely will finish with percentages somewhere from 38-42% overall pretty consistent like always with an effective FG just like he is shooting about 57-60% from 2. That's the thing you people can't wrap your head around the value of a 3 pointer.

Quote:As far as I can tell from statsheet, Richmond has attempted more 3 pointers than any other player in the nation so far, but I believe that may include the D-2 games. I think ECU would be better off over the course of the season if he didn't shoot so much, but with the lack of depth, maybe the high-risk, high-reward strategy is worth a try.

His effective FG % is almost 60% and top 5 before the game in CUSA and one of the best and most efficient scorers in CUSA. Today he even got to the FT line 14 times where he hits 90%+ .

No I understand plenty about the 3 and it's benefits. You're extolling all the virtues, and ignoring the downsides. It's a high-risk, high-reward strategy, meaning it can allow you to win some games you ordinarily wouldn't and it will cause you to lose some games you'd otherwise win. If Richmond really hit 39% in every single game, you'd be in great shape. The trouble is that some games he'll go off (and ECU will do better) and some games he'll miss most shots (ECU is going to struggle with teams like Mt. Olive). The other issue is that teams with any kind of discipline on defense will force him to shoot tougher threes, but when he's got a green light like that, he'll heave them up anyway (Niners fans saw this plenty in the Lutz era).

One argument you could make is it also leads to lots of long rebounds, and given ECU has zero depth in the post, that will help them have better chances to get more offensive rebounds. That along with the fact that ECU has so few reliable options against good teams may mean it's not such a bad strategy for this season. Let him shoot as many as he wants!

The comparison to Curry's last Davidson team is pretty good actually. They should have made the tournament, but got stuck playing in the NIT because College of Charleston put an athletic, tall defender on Curry, and he still gunned away. But it was still probably the right move because they had so few other scoring options.