(12-08-2013 12:03 AM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  It not due to "capitalism" or "socialism"....it's due to what drives America, "crony capitalism" or what I like to call "discrete fascism."

Ok

Our blogger is back from the SEC title game (as a fan, he is a Mizzou grad) and tweeted out he is on Bowl Whisper duty today. So far nothing, and he doesn't think anything will come about. Not enough slots, and not enough of a story to make a Bowl want us.

Keeping my fingers crossed but wont be shocked if it doesnt happen.

The only way FAU gets in is if a deal is made in favor of CUSA. I wouldn't bank on it, but I wouldn't be totally stunned to see it happen since all fingers point to the conference giving up Hawaii.

Here's to hoping the Owls get in!

The ACC is claiming that they were able to place all their eligible teams in a bowl. If that is true FAU will probably not get a bowl. I think many of the bowl eligible teams in the MAC and Sun Belt will be staying home for the bowl season too. I just don't think 6-6 is going to get most G5 teams a bowl this season.

After Notre Dame accepted Pinstripe, there were 6 available open slots:

Poinsettia (vs. MWC)
Heart of Dallas (vs. CUSA)
Independence (vs. ACC)
Pizza (vs. MAC)
Beef O Brady's (vs. CUSA)
Texas (vs. Big 10) **assumes Oklahoma in BCS over Oregon

With Oklahoma into the BCS, this means the Pac 12 has two extra teams, and the ACC also has two extra teams. Those four will get first dibs, eliminating four of the six slots. Most projections pick the ACC in HoD and Pizza. The MAC has a backup agreement in Beef O Brady's, eliminating that slot. If we assume the ACC gets HoD and Pizza, this is what is left:

Independence (vs. ACC)
Poinsettia (vs. MWC)
Texas (vs. Big 10)

The two Pac 12 teams would like the best possible matchup, but Poinsettia is a better location. I think they'll take the Independence and Texas bowls to lock up Power 5 matchups, leaving the Poinsettia as the only slot left.

At that point there is one MWC team, three MAC teams, five Sun Belt teams, and FAU remaining to pick from. It's anyone's guess at that point. It can't be MWC as they are already in the Poinsettia. Buffalo and WKU will have the best records remaining at 8-4, but that probably doesn't matter.

(12-08-2013 12:01 AM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 11:51 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(12-07-2013 11:49 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Last year, Rice was 6-6, and went to the Armed Forces Bowl, beating AFA 33-19. Arguably, going to that bowl was a big reason for our success so far this year. I see no reason why FAU should not have that same benefit, and at 6-6, they have done what is needed to qualify. There is no requirement of how good your wins and losses must be - only that they reach certain totals.

Besides, the more teams we have in bowls, the better for all of us.

In 2001 Rice went 8-4 and did not get a bowl invitation. There is no logic to the system.

Tech has had a few teams sit at home with better than 6-6 records. We were 7-4 in 2005 and sat at home, 8-3 with a win over Alabama in 1999, sat at home, 9-2 with wins over Cal and Alabama in 1997, sat at home. But meanwhile garbage 6-6 Power 5 conference schools go bowling every year.

Which sucks because it's not fair. Teams can't just choose to join a conference. You have to play the hand your dealt. I'm sure we would all join the SEC if we could. I think,the rule should be that a team has to have a winning record overall and a winning Record in conference to be eligible.

(12-08-2013 09:56 AM)MTowho Wrote:  After Notre Dame accepted Pinstripe, there were 6 available open slots:

Poinsettia (vs. MWC)
Heart of Dallas (vs. CUSA)
Independence (vs. ACC)
Pizza (vs. MAC)
Beef O Brady's (vs. CUSA)
Texas (vs. Big 10) **assumes Oklahoma in BCS over Oregon

With Oklahoma into the BCS, this means the Pac 12 has two extra teams, and the ACC also has two extra teams. Those four will get first dibs, eliminating four of the six slots. Most projections pick the ACC in HoD and Pizza. The MAC has a backup agreement in Beef O Brady's, eliminating that slot. If we assume the ACC gets HoD and Pizza, this is what is left:

Independence (vs. ACC)
Poinsettia (vs. MWC)
Texas (vs. Big 10)

The two Pac 12 teams would like the best possible matchup, but Poinsettia is a better location. I think they'll take the Independence and Texas bowls to lock up Power 5 matchups, leaving the Poinsettia as the only slot left.

At that point there is one MWC team, three MAC teams, five Sun Belt teams, and FAU remaining to pick from. It's anyone's guess at that point. It can't be MWC as they are already in the Poinsettia. Buffalo and WKU will have the best records remaining at 8-4, but that probably doesn't matter.

article out of Buffalo newspaper yesterday stated Buffalo or other MAC school should get that Poinsetta Bowl bid.....

(12-08-2013 10:03 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  article out of Buffalo newspaper yesterday stated Fuffalo or other MAC school should get that Poinsetta Bowl bid.....

Which will be a huge fail on the Sun Belt's part because I'd bet WKU travels better to San Diego than any MAC school remaining, although it's probably so few that it doesn't really matter.

(12-08-2013 09:56 AM)MTowho Wrote:  After Notre Dame accepted Pinstripe, there were 6 available open slots:

Poinsettia (vs. MWC)
Heart of Dallas (vs. CUSA)
Independence (vs. ACC)
Pizza (vs. MAC)
Beef O Brady's (vs. CUSA)
Texas (vs. Big 10) **assumes Oklahoma in BCS over Oregon

With Oklahoma into the BCS, this means the Pac 12 has two extra teams, and the ACC also has two extra teams. Those four will get first dibs, eliminating four of the six slots. Most projections pick the ACC in HoD and Pizza. The MAC has a backup agreement in Beef O Brady's, eliminating that slot. If we assume the ACC gets HoD and Pizza, this is what is left:

Independence (vs. ACC)
Poinsettia (vs. MWC)
Texas (vs. Big 10)

The two Pac 12 teams would like the best possible matchup, but Poinsettia is a better location. I think they'll take the Independence and Texas bowls to lock up Power 5 matchups, leaving the Poinsettia as the only slot left.

At that point there is one MWC team, three MAC teams, five Sun Belt teams, and FAU remaining to pick from. It's anyone's guess at that point. It can't be MWC as they are already in the Poinsettia. Buffalo and WKU will have the best records remaining at 8-4, but that probably doesn't matter.

Solid break down. Thanks.

With the trade that is on the table for CUSA to give up Hawaii, receive Armed Forces, and MWC get a Power 5 opponent in Hawaii in return, that could mix things up a bit. Piecing that together, the MWC must assume that they pick up one of the at large slots that the Pac 12 would vacate to go to Hawaii. I would assume they would be guaranteed the Texas Bowl since ESPN owns it along with Hawaii and Armed Forces, which gives them full power to broker this deal. The only roadblock would be the Pac 12 wanting to face the MWC in Hawaii instead of a Big 10 in Texas, as CUSA and MWC would love the deal. Would an Oregon State or Washington State rather go to Hawaii to potentially face Boise St or to Texas to face a Power 5 school?

(12-08-2013 10:04 AM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:03 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  article out of Buffalo newspaper yesterday stated Fuffalo or other MAC school should get that Poinsetta Bowl bid.....

Which will be a huge fail on the Sun Belt's part because I'd bet WKU travels better to San Diego than any MAC school remaining, although it's probably so few that it doesn't really matter.

article states the MAC has the back up spot in the Poinsetta in case of no Army.....

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2013/12/7/51868...ke-buffalo

(12-08-2013 10:15 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:04 AM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:03 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  article out of Buffalo newspaper yesterday stated Fuffalo or other MAC school should get that Poinsetta Bowl bid.....

Which will be a huge fail on the Sun Belt's part because I'd bet WKU travels better to San Diego than any MAC school remaining, although it's probably so few that it doesn't really matter.

article states the MAC has the back up spot in the Poinsetta in case of no Army.....

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2013/12/7/51868...ke-buffalo

The MAC is the gold standard of negotiating backup deals. Props to them.

(12-08-2013 10:09 AM)MTowho Wrote:  With the trade that is on the table for CUSA to give up Hawaii, receive Armed Forces, and MWC get a Power 5 opponent in Hawaii in return, that could mix things up a bit. Piecing that together, the MWC must assume that they pick up one of the at large slots that the Pac 12 would vacate to go to Hawaii. I would assume they would be guaranteed the Texas Bowl since ESPN owns it along with Hawaii and Armed Forces, which gives them full power to broker this deal. The only roadblock would be the Pac 12 wanting to face the MWC in Hawaii instead of a Big 10 in Texas, as CUSA and MWC would love the deal. Would an Oregon State or Washington State rather go to Hawaii to potentially face Boise St or to Texas to face a Power 5 school?

what's the PAC 12 gaining out of this swap?

Prob staying home. That is what they get for blowing the Rice and Marshall games. Had to win one of those.

(12-08-2013 10:21 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:09 AM)MTowho Wrote:  With the trade that is on the table for CUSA to give up Hawaii, receive Armed Forces, and MWC get a Power 5 opponent in Hawaii in return, that could mix things up a bit. Piecing that together, the MWC must assume that they pick up one of the at large slots that the Pac 12 would vacate to go to Hawaii. I would assume they would be guaranteed the Texas Bowl since ESPN owns it along with Hawaii and Armed Forces, which gives them full power to broker this deal. The only roadblock would be the Pac 12 wanting to face the MWC in Hawaii instead of a Big 10 in Texas, as CUSA and MWC would love the deal. Would an Oregon State or Washington State rather go to Hawaii to potentially face Boise St or to Texas to face a Power 5 school?

what's the PAC 12 gaining out of this swap?

That's the question. I guess if one of their at large teams (presumably Oregon State and Wazzu) think that a trip to Hawaii (I'd also assume ESPN is sweetening the pot) is better than a trip to Houston against a Big 10 team, that's cool with them. I don't think it's even the Pac 12 as a conference that would care, just the individual team that would be selected.

I hate USF :/

(12-08-2013 10:48 AM)MTowho Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:21 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(12-08-2013 10:09 AM)MTowho Wrote:  With the trade that is on the table for CUSA to give up Hawaii, receive Armed Forces, and MWC get a Power 5 opponent in Hawaii in return, that could mix things up a bit. Piecing that together, the MWC must assume that they pick up one of the at large slots that the Pac 12 would vacate to go to Hawaii. I would assume they would be guaranteed the Texas Bowl since ESPN owns it along with Hawaii and Armed Forces, which gives them full power to broker this deal. The only roadblock would be the Pac 12 wanting to face the MWC in Hawaii instead of a Big 10 in Texas, as CUSA and MWC would love the deal. Would an Oregon State or Washington State rather go to Hawaii to potentially face Boise St or to Texas to face a Power 5 school?

what's the PAC 12 gaining out of this swap?

That's the question. I guess if one of their at large teams (presumably Oregon State and Wazzu) think that a trip to Hawaii (I'd also assume ESPN is sweetening the pot) is better than a trip to Houston against a Big 10 team, that's cool with them. I don't think it's even the Pac 12 as a conference that would care, just the individual team that would be selected.

Stewart Mandel from SI picking up on what you've been saying.....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...z2muBz4z55

but he admits on twitter that he cant accurately forecast the wheeling and dealing so he just went with the original tie ins.....Mountain West vs. C-USA in Hawaii and PAC 12 going to Texas Bowl as replacement team....Armed Forces keeping MWC vs. Navy.....

(12-07-2013 05:48 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Im rooting for you guys if time and hope it happens

Same here.

FAU will officially not go to a bowl this season

Yeah. Tough luck. You guys really seemed to have it figured out by the end of the season...won't be sitting home next year