(12-06-2013 02:58 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:55 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Obama’s “you can keep your doctor” lie is the next shoe to drop, and if he thinks people were pissed off when they had their plans cancelled, wait until millions are told they can’t see their doctor because of Obamacare.

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.

“It doesn’t surprise me that there’s a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.

Thorp has been a primary care doctor for 38 years in a small town 90 miles north of Sacramento. The CMA represents 38,000 of the roughly 104,000 doctors in California.

“We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” he said.

California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country — 30 percent lower than federalMedicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors-bo...le/2540272

Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

So what is the result? The result is the middle class is forced into this crap system while the elite get their elite doctors who paid cash for med school (and you'll get private banks putting out loans to the top students to bypass your stupid government rule) while the rest of us go to the back ally.

Good luck getting a commercial loan to go to medical school if the government takes away the protections the lender has from bankruptcy.

So even fewer doctors. Solid reasoning, again.

You really haven't thought this through. At all. Have you?

Isn't there another drag bar in Tupelo you have to go march for?

You misread the supply and demand curves for medical school. Have you seen the acceptance rates for med schools? Call me back when those rates hit 30-35%

Lazybrook is either ******* deranged or a solid commie

(12-06-2013 03:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You misread the supply and demand curves for medical school. Have you seen the acceptance rates for med schools?

Have you seen the qualifications of med school rejects?

(12-06-2013 02:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:40 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:55 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Obama’s “you can keep your doctor” lie is the next shoe to drop, and if he thinks people were pissed off when they had their plans cancelled, wait until millions are told they can’t see their doctor because of Obamacare.

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.

“It doesn’t surprise me that there’s a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.

Thorp has been a primary care doctor for 38 years in a small town 90 miles north of Sacramento. The CMA represents 38,000 of the roughly 104,000 doctors in California.

“We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” he said.

California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country — 30 percent lower than federalMedicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors-bo...le/2540272

Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

Solid ideas. Force out the doctors that are already on the job by slashing their pay (arbitrarily I might add). forget that they may have huge bills themselves, overhead, staff members reliant on their work and whatever else. Punish them! They wear glasses, round them up and re-educate them!

"Solve" that by putting up continued obstacles to those that would now, foolishly, choose to go into medicine. THEN, as any good socialist would, mandate by threat of government force where, who and how they will treat their new "patients".

Sounds like a plan. A really really bad one.

Oh, and who are these doctors serving the private? Odd.

Guys, you act like medical service provision isn't artificially constrained as it is now. It is constrained, for the benefit of the medical industry. First, we need more medical school slots. I'll worry about the quality of applicants to medical schools when the medical school acceptance rate starts hitting 30%. Secondly, we need to ensure that doctors that receive subsidies from the taxpayers to practice medicine actually serve the public. So, another idea would be to cut off doctors not accepting medicare/ACA/medical from access to any institution holding a certificate of need. Go raise the money to build and operate a hospital (using non-subsidized debt) in the private market if you want to have a place to work.

In order to let in the 30%, you advocate medical schools would be admitting a more mediocre student. There are two docs in my family so I know first-hand what they went through to get into and through med school and how exceptionally smart they are. There is a reason why medical schools are selective and it's not for the benefit of the industry. It's because only the smartest and most committed can make it through med school.

You go see the doctors that are in the at the bottom on the 30% you want to let into medical school. That's assuming they can even get through the rigors of medical school.

But this is the problem with the left. They are either incapable or unwilling to look at things from the viewpoint of producers. They expect that they can just screw the productive people, with no untended consequences, in order to make their socialist worldview work. And of course producers don't just stand there and take it, so the leftist schemes never work as planned.

Who cares whether a doc was in the top 5% or bottom 30% of his class? We'll have IPAB and HCC and CCO to tell him what to do, and lots of unselfish and righteous bureaucrats to steer him/her down the proper path, so his/her own competence will be fixed by the system. That's why socialism never works. In theory, theory works well in practice; in practice, it doesn't.

(12-06-2013 02:50 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:28 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:25 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I don't think liberalism can recover from this.

You look at cultures in C and S America, and you'll see that it holds on just fine. What won't recover is the US' high standard of living.

Those countries have different histories than us. They are already entrenched in deep socialism and corruption. That is why we do not want a bunch of S and C American refugees or immigrants coming into the United States.

I am speaking for American liberalism and Obamacare most likely has set it back a generation. We are due for a conservative swing and this is the beginning.

You're more optimistic than I.

Do you actually think another Obamacare will be adored by the voters after this? Even the stupid Millennials are aware of the sham. It's only going to get worse. Socialized medicine is the crown jewel for American liberalism. Without it, they don't have much of a platform. The experiment has now been tried. If it fails, so does their entire platform.

(12-06-2013 03:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:58 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

So what is the result? The result is the middle class is forced into this crap system while the elite get their elite doctors who paid cash for med school (and you'll get private banks putting out loans to the top students to bypass your stupid government rule) while the rest of us go to the back ally.

Good luck getting a commercial loan to go to medical school if the government takes away the protections the lender has from bankruptcy.

So even fewer doctors. Solid reasoning, again.

You really haven't thought this through. At all. Have you?

Isn't there another drag bar in Tupelo you have to go march for?

You misread the supply and demand curves for medical school. Have you seen the acceptance rates for med schools? Call me back when those rates hit 30-35%

I applied to and got rejected from med school. I had a higher MCAT score than a few friends who got in, but their undergrad GPAs were higher.

Some people who go through med school make terrible doctors after the fact. Some who don't get in would have made great docs. However, you don't need a 30-35% acceptance rate unless you're going to make them lawsuit proof.

(12-06-2013 02:25 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I don't think liberalism can recover from this.

You look at cultures in C and S America, and you'll see that it holds on just fine. What won't recover is the US' high standard of living.

So you're saying liberalism is somewhat like the cockroach, capable of surviving nuclear war.

Even after it destroys a nation's economy, liberalism will sadly be one of the few things left standing.

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:55 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Obama’s “you can keep your doctor” lie is the next shoe to drop, and if he thinks people were pissed off when they had their plans cancelled, wait until millions are told they can’t see their doctor because of Obamacare.

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.

“It doesn’t surprise me that there’s a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.

Thorp has been a primary care doctor for 38 years in a small town 90 miles north of Sacramento. The CMA represents 38,000 of the roughly 104,000 doctors in California.

“We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” he said.

California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country — 30 percent lower than federalMedicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors-bo...le/2540272

Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

Cause the left is all about "choice" and "diversity"

(12-06-2013 02:40 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:55 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Obama’s “you can keep your doctor” lie is the next shoe to drop, and if he thinks people were pissed off when they had their plans cancelled, wait until millions are told they can’t see their doctor because of Obamacare.

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.

“It doesn’t surprise me that there’s a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.

Thorp has been a primary care doctor for 38 years in a small town 90 miles north of Sacramento. The CMA represents 38,000 of the roughly 104,000 doctors in California.

“We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” he said.

California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country — 30 percent lower than federalMedicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors-bo...le/2540272

Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

Solid ideas. Force out the doctors that are already on the job by slashing their pay (arbitrarily I might add). forget that they may have huge bills themselves, overhead, staff members reliant on their work and whatever else. Punish them! They wear glasses, round them up and re-educate them!

"Solve" that by putting up continued obstacles to those that would now, foolishly, choose to go into medicine. THEN, as any good socialist would, mandate by threat of government force where, who and how they will treat their new "patients".

Sounds like a plan. A really really bad one.

Oh, and who are these doctors serving the private? Odd.

Now you know why communist nations have to jump from "great leap" to "great leap".. the "solutions" they offer are punitive and make things worse..

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:55 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Obama’s “you can keep your doctor” lie is the next shoe to drop, and if he thinks people were pissed off when they had their plans cancelled, wait until millions are told they can’t see their doctor because of Obamacare.

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.

“It doesn’t surprise me that there’s a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.

Thorp has been a primary care doctor for 38 years in a small town 90 miles north of Sacramento. The CMA represents 38,000 of the roughly 104,000 doctors in California.

“We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” he said.

California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country — 30 percent lower than federalMedicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors-bo...le/2540272

Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

It just boggles my mind that you have no problem saying something like this.

(12-07-2013 05:06 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 02:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2013 01:55 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Obama’s “you can keep your doctor” lie is the next shoe to drop, and if he thinks people were pissed off when they had their plans cancelled, wait until millions are told they can’t see their doctor because of Obamacare.

An estimated seven out of every 10 physicians in deep-blue California are rebelling against the state’s Obamacare health insurance exchange and won’t participate, the head of the state’s largest medical association said.

“It doesn’t surprise me that there’s a high rate of nonparticipation,” said Dr. Richard Thorp, president of the California Medical Association.

Thorp has been a primary care doctor for 38 years in a small town 90 miles north of Sacramento. The CMA represents 38,000 of the roughly 104,000 doctors in California.

“We need some recognition that we’re doing a service to the community. But we can’t do it for free. And we can’t do it at a loss. No other business would do that,” he said.

California offers one of the lowest government reimbursement rates in the country — 30 percent lower than federalMedicare payments. And reimbursement rates for some procedures are even lower.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors-bo...le/2540272

Those doctors will change their tune when everyone is on Obamacare. And if they don't, that can be fixed too. Obviously we have a shortage of doctors willing to serve the public. I think making student loans for medical school contingent upon serving ACA/Medicare/Medical patients should be a first step.

It just boggles my mind that you have no problem saying something like this.

It sounds like he believes the ACA can force doctors to work for low wages when everyone is on Obamacare. What he fails to realize is those highly educated people who are doctors now will likely say screw this profession and go do something else or retire. They are all smart enough and would have options to take their training elsewhere.

What he fails to realize is that you can not force smart people to become doctors. The education is long and hard. If you make it a pain in the a$$ and not lucrative to be a doctor, the best and brightest who might choose to become doctors will say it's not worth it and become engineers, college profs, etc. The result will be that we will have a lower level of competence in the medical profession.