Quote:The ACC basically guaranteed its conference championship game loser a spot in the Gator, which meant that the losing team would travel to Jacksonville twice in a month.

It would make more sense to play their championship game in Charlotte. The attendance for a VT and FSU game in Charlotte would have been just the same as in Jacksonville, and Charlotte is closer to every other team in the league.

DIP WV Wrote:

Quote:The ACC basically guaranteed its conference championship game loser a spot in the Gator, which meant that the losing team would travel to Jacksonville twice in a month.

It would make more sense to play their championship game in Charlotte. The attendance for a VT and FSU game in Charlotte would have been just the same as in Jacksonville, and Charlotte is closer to every other team in the league.

They could go down that road in the future. They only tied themselves to Jacksonville for two years, so they might be soliciting bids from other markets. There aren't many markets that the ACC can go with besides Jacksonville and Charlotte. The SEC has Atlanta locked for the SEC title game. FedEx Field in N. Virginia could also be an option with the Virginia schools and Maryland. No way they ever play it in Boston.

mattsarz Wrote:As for VT's poor attendance at the Gator, that is being rectified in the ACC's bowl tie-ins. The ACC basically guaranteed its conference championship game loser a spot in the Gator, which meant that the losing team would travel to Jacksonville twice in a month. If I were a fan and travelled down for the ACC title game, what incentive is there for me to travel there again for a bowl game? The Chick-Fil-A Bowl in Atlanta now gets the 1st ACC pick after the BCS.

True but it also implies UofL only had more fans because V Tech didn't want to travel. Really, UofL told the Gator Bowl they'd bring more fans, he publicly said they wouldn't, and then so many showed up Jurich forced the GB director to in effect to publicly recind what he said and eat that nasty tasting crow.

His overall point was UofL travelling fan support compared to several other Big East teams. I just don't see Pitt or Syracuse bringing about 21,000-23,000 to the Gator Bowl.

CyberBull Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:the Big east will fill allof its bowl spots in any event.My guess 5 is just right and youwillnot need anymore most years.

Call me crazy, but IMO 4 bowl games is enough for a 8 team conference. These new bottom feeder bowls that can barely scrape up money for the minimum bowl payouts force schools to lose money.

Sorry I am not just a big fan of spending almost $2K to travel to Toronto around XMAS time to watch 'bowl game' in a city that looks at football much like most Americans look at hockey....a curious afterthought.

You want to know the SCARY thing about your comment? There is no longer a "minimum bowl payout". They did away with that the year before last. I guess the low bowls couldn't afford the $750,000 per team when they only sell 2,000 tickets.

Houston Chronicle Wrote:C-USA commissioner Britton Banowsky, who will attend the meeting, described the proposal as "a fresh start, not a continuation of the prior experience." He said a new name is likely for the game if the NCAA approves the plan.

Added Big 12 spokesman Bob Burda: "It's been our intent to maintain a bowl presence in the city of Houston. We're very encouraged by this development."

So they will start a completely new bowl, under completely new ownership, but take over the Houston Bowl spot on the calendar. I guess they are going to call this "new" thing the Lone Star Bowl or something like that.

Maize Wrote:Again it still opens up a bowl. There was an article that the Big East is/was involved with the Poinsettia Bowl. IF we have 5-6 Bowl eligible teams all of them will be in Bowl games this year.

The Big East is not "involved" with the Poinsettia Bowl at all. The Poinsettia Bowl is the MWC against an at-large team. Last year's at-large was Navy. This year, if Navy goes to Charlotte, the Poinsettia can pick anyone.

Their director mentioned the Big East as a possibility along with three or four other conferences. He was being generic. Please don't get excited about comments like that. There is no specific deal with this bowl game.

L-yes Wrote:We need to get out of all the crap bowls out west and the disaster that will be the Snow Bowl in Canada. I hate how reactive the conference is reagrding football.

The Toronto Bowl will be played in the Skydome. How is that a "Snow Bowl" as you call it? Stop being so negative all the time. Toronto is going to work out great for the Big East, MAC, and occasionally the Big 10 as well.

We don't have any "crap bowls out west" either. The Big East can go to the Sun Bowl twice in four years. That isn't bad. All the other bowls are in the east now. All we need to do for next year is start a second Tampa Bowl.

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- TV markets rule the day in the BE. If attractivness to bowls was a key category in expansion Memphis and ECU would have been #s7/8 in the football conference instead of UC and USF

Once they selected Louisville, you know Cincinnati was in as well. Those two schools are linked in many ways, especially athletically. You can wonder about USF but Tranghese had been coveting them for many years.

mattsarz Wrote:They could go down that road in the future. They only tied themselves to Jacksonville for two years, so they might be soliciting bids from other markets. There aren't many markets that the ACC can go with besides Jacksonville and Charlotte. The SEC has Atlanta locked for the SEC title game. FedEx Field in N. Virginia could also be an option with the Virginia schools and Maryland. No way they ever play it in Boston.

FedEx Field is in Laurel, Maryland, not Northern Virginia. The ACC would never hold their title game there. Charlotte will probably get the bid after the current contract. It makes too much sense for them not to do that.

Wouldn't surprise me to see two new Florida Bowls, one in Tampa affiliated with BE and one in Orlando affiliated with CUSA. Neither Bowl should have a problem securing quality opponents. Since BE already has two bowl games against ACC (Gator and Meineke), my guess the Florida Bowl would be CUSA vs ACC. My understanding is that ACC doesn't especially care for SF amd Boise bowls, where their fans cannot easily travel. When a team has a super successful record, their fans will travel a long distance but not true for lower rated bowls.

Quote:one in Orlando affiliated with CUSA.

That'd be three in Orlando unless the Champs Sports dropped somebody to join with CUSA.

DIP WV Wrote:

Quote:one in Orlando affiliated with CUSA.

That'd be three in Orlando unless the Champs Sports dropped somebody to join with CUSA.

I hear alot of posters dreaming of a 3rd orlando bowl... but I dont see it... dont think the area will support 3 of them... I also dont see a second one in tampa... between Bucs, USF and the 1 bowl... I doubt they would do well supporting a bowl as well...though new orleans has pulled it off... so who knows.

L-yes Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:We need to get out of all the crap bowls out west and the disaster that will be the Snow Bowl in Canada. I hate how reactive the conference is reagrding football.

-- TV markets rule the day in the BE. If attractivness to bowls was a key category in expansion Memphis and ECU would have been #s7/8 in the football conference instead of UC and USF

-- This is one of those situations were we need to make the best out of what we have. Hey, look at it this way. UL and WVU will never see those Western/snow bowls. In the old league the Gator just became a ND/VAtech/WVU bowl with little represtenation from the rest of the league. I'm sure the Gator/Sun will be the same thing with UL filling in for VT. There have been times WVU has technically finished 4th in the league and still gone to the Gator because #2+3 couldn't sell tickets. Worse case scenario the Cards and Mountys will go to Charlotte to place the ACC. Neither school will go lower then that on the bowl pecking order for the duration of the contract

Jackson

LOL--gimme a break

You really think WVU and UL will never go to a second tier bowl? I'm sorry but neither school is a dynasty yet.

As long as SU SUcks we won't have to worry about competition from New York.

What I'm saying is it goes in cycles--if $$$moneygrub Petrino gets Wanderlust for the 23rd time or RRod gets caught in another peccadillo and gets fired your two year old dynasties will come tumbling down. My god you guys think 2005 = 2006=2007=2008, etc....

No we don't. We think 1998=1999=2000=2001=2002=2003=2004=2005 and so on.

And every year you listed you would have a good enpugh record to go to the BCS Bowl or Gator Bowl? Didn't you have a one win season in the last 10 years?

My point is tie goes to the runner (WVU/UL) for bowl game selection however, but to suggest you'll always be 8-4 or better is ridiculous. Your basketball team went from Final Four to NIT in one season--the same can and will happen in football. You'll be playing a game in Birmingham or Toronto within 5 years or worse no game.

goodknightfl Wrote:

DIP WV Wrote:

Quote:one in Orlando affiliated with CUSA.

That'd be three in Orlando unless the Champs Sports dropped somebody to join with CUSA.

I hear alot of posters dreaming of a 3rd orlando bowl... but I dont see it... dont think the area will support 3 of them... I also dont see a second one in tampa... between Bucs, USF and the 1 bowl... I doubt they would do well supporting a bowl as well...though new orleans has pulled it off... so who knows.

Stop the presses--he doesn't want to see a second bowl in Tampa. Damn I thought we had a chance.

TexanMark Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

DIP WV Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:one in Orlando affiliated with CUSA.

That'd be three in Orlando unless the Champs Sports dropped somebody to join with CUSA.

I hear alot of posters dreaming of a 3rd orlando bowl... but I dont see it... dont think the area will support 3 of them... I also dont see a second one in tampa... between Bucs, USF and the 1 bowl... I doubt they would do well supporting a bowl as well...though new orleans has pulled it off... so who knows.

Stop the presses--he doesn't want to see a second bowl in Tampa. Damn I thought we had a chance.

Two bowls in Tampa can work. Three in Orlando is a big question mark. There is also the issue of a promise that UCF made to their NIMBY neighbors that only regular season football games would be played at the new stadium in order to get it built. That would seem to indicate no bowls. A good neighbor does not go back on their words.

As for this rumor of a bowl in Florida between CUSA and the ACC, this goes back to my theory of getting CUSA out of Florida by taking UCF, that prevents such a game from ever happening. With USF and UCF both in the Big East, they could take turns bowling in Tampa and Birmingham, unless they make the BCS or the Gator picks them.

Lolly Popp Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

goodknightfl Wrote:

DIP WV Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:one in Orlando affiliated with CUSA.

That'd be three in Orlando unless the Champs Sports dropped somebody to join with CUSA.

I hear alot of posters dreaming of a 3rd orlando bowl... but I dont see it... dont think the area will support 3 of them... I also dont see a second one in tampa... between Bucs, USF and the 1 bowl... I doubt they would do well supporting a bowl as well...though new orleans has pulled it off... so who knows.

Stop the presses--he doesn't want to see a second bowl in Tampa. Damn I thought we had a chance.

Two bowls in Tampa can work. Three in Orlando is a big question mark. There is also the issue of a promise that UCF made to their NIMBY neighbors that only regular season football games would be played at the new stadium in order to get it built. That would seem to indicate no bowls.

Sorry...you heard wrong.

Numerous town hall meetings (I personally attended 3 of them) mentioned number of "events/games" and did not include limiting it to just "regular season games" (UCF would like to HOST a few CUSA Champ Games in our new stadium...just like we did last year at the Citrus Bowl, et al.)

Plus...with new UCF AD Keith Tribble...former CEO of the ORANGE BOWL for 13 years...numerous opportunities are still on the table for events at UCF's new stadium.

KL

KnightLight Wrote:Sorry...you heard wrong.

Numerous town hall meetings (I personally attended 3 of them) mentioned number of "events/games" and did not include limiting it to just "regular season games" (UCF would like to HOST a few CUSA Champ Games in our new stadium...just like we did last year at the Citrus Bowl, et al.)

Plus...with new UCF AD Keith Tribble...former CEO of the ORANGE BOWL for 13 years...numerous opportunities are still on the table for events at UCF's new stadium.

Tell it to people on your Rivals board. Nonetheless, what was the number of events that President Hitt promised your neighbors that wouldn't be exceeded? I'm sure he figured a certain number of regular season games and a possible CUSA title game, which is part of the regular season, into his number. Highly doubtful that a bowl game can be accomodated. Or was it just "another diabolical President Hitt headfake" as one of your fans likes to write?

We know very well who Keith Tribble is, but nobody can go back on the promises made to defuse opposition to the new stadium. It is difficult for any city to host three bowl games as well. Why are you even arguing? There is no reason to quibble with me about this. Some of you UCF fans need to check your attitudes at the door when you come here. I was one of the first Big East fans pushing for your future inclusion but lately I'm wondering why.

Lolly Popp Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Sorry...you heard wrong.

Numerous town hall meetings (I personally attended 3 of them) mentioned number of "events/games" and did not include limiting it to just "regular season games" (UCF would like to HOST a few CUSA Champ Games in our new stadium...just like we did last year at the Citrus Bowl, et al.)

Plus...with new UCF AD Keith Tribble...former CEO of the ORANGE BOWL for 13 years...numerous opportunities are still on the table for events at UCF's new stadium.

Tell it to people on your Rivals board. Nonetheless, what was the number of events that President Hitt promised your neighbors that wouldn't be exceeded? I'm sure he figured a certain number of regular season games and a possible CUSA title game, which is part of the regular season, into his number. Highly doubtful that a bowl game can be accomodated. Or was it just "another diabolical President Hitt headfake" as one of your fans likes to write?

We know very well who Keith Tribble is, but nobody can go back on the promises made to defuse opposition to the new stadium. It is difficult for any city to host three bowl games as well. Why are you even arguing? There is no reason to quibble with me about this. Some of you UCF fans need to check your attitudes at the door when you come here. I was one of the first Big East fans pushing for your future inclusion but lately I'm wondering why.

Where you at these townhall meetings?

Didn't think so.

Don't mean to "quibble"...just pointed out that you were wrong.

No big deal really.

KL

KnightLight Wrote:

Lolly Popp Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Sorry...you heard wrong.

Numerous town hall meetings (I personally attended 3 of them) mentioned number of "events/games" and did not include limiting it to just "regular season games" (UCF would like to HOST a few CUSA Champ Games in our new stadium...just like we did last year at the Citrus Bowl, et al.)

Plus...with new UCF AD Keith Tribble...former CEO of the ORANGE BOWL for 13 years...numerous opportunities are still on the table for events at UCF's new stadium.

Tell it to people on your Rivals board. Nonetheless, what was the number of events that President Hitt promised your neighbors that wouldn't be exceeded? I'm sure he figured a certain number of regular season games and a possible CUSA title game, which is part of the regular season, into his number. Highly doubtful that a bowl game can be accomodated. Or was it just "another diabolical President Hitt headfake" as one of your fans likes to write?

We know very well who Keith Tribble is, but nobody can go back on the promises made to defuse opposition to the new stadium. It is difficult for any city to host three bowl games as well. Why are you even arguing? There is no reason to quibble with me about this. Some of you UCF fans need to check your attitudes at the door when you come here. I was one of the first Big East fans pushing for your future inclusion but lately I'm wondering why.

Where you at these townhall meetings?

Didn't think so.

Don't mean to "quibble"...just pointed out that you were wrong.

No big deal really.

I never said I was at your town hall meetings. Like I said, take it up with people on your Rivals board, not me. If you're going to point things out when people are wrong, just do it with some class, instead of alienating those who actually like your school.

Lolly Popp Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:

Lolly Popp Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Sorry...you heard wrong.

Numerous town hall meetings (I personally attended 3 of them) mentioned number of "events/games" and did not include limiting it to just "regular season games" (UCF would like to HOST a few CUSA Champ Games in our new stadium...just like we did last year at the Citrus Bowl, et al.)

Plus...with new UCF AD Keith Tribble...former CEO of the ORANGE BOWL for 13 years...numerous opportunities are still on the table for events at UCF's new stadium.

Tell it to people on your Rivals board. Nonetheless, what was the number of events that President Hitt promised your neighbors that wouldn't be exceeded? I'm sure he figured a certain number of regular season games and a possible CUSA title game, which is part of the regular season, into his number. Highly doubtful that a bowl game can be accomodated. Or was it just "another diabolical President Hitt headfake" as one of your fans likes to write?

We know very well who Keith Tribble is, but nobody can go back on the promises made to defuse opposition to the new stadium. It is difficult for any city to host three bowl games as well. Why are you even arguing? There is no reason to quibble with me about this. Some of you UCF fans need to check your attitudes at the door when you come here. I was one of the first Big East fans pushing for your future inclusion but lately I'm wondering why.

Where you at these townhall meetings?

Didn't think so.

Don't mean to "quibble"...just pointed out that you were wrong.

No big deal really.

I never said I was at your town hall meetings. Like I said, take it up with people on your Rivals board, not me. If you're going to point things out when people are wrong, just do it with some class, instead of alienating those who actually like your school.

Why do I have to "take it up" with anyone else?

I've save ya the time.

Here's a copy of one of the presentations used at the town hall meetings over the past 16 months.

As noted..it has information on "planned" regular season games (6) per year "at this time" (aka March 2005)..but as noted on a following page...it
states:

"Most stadiums host other entertainment events that increase both revenues and expenses on an annual basis."

Here the complete report if you would like to read it:

http://www.stadium.ucf.edu/PDF%20Files/U....31.05.pdf

FYI...here is more information from the Stadium website:

http://www.stadium.ucf.edu/