Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

It's simple. The left is doing everything it can to make sure these people become registered Democrats. That is the one and only real reason.

(12-03-2013 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's simple. The left is doing everything it can to make sure these people become registered Democrats. That is the one and only real reason.

um....seriously?

what isnt a massive democratic conspiracy to you??????

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

And once again, tom posts w/o an answer. Because attention seeking.

The answer to the question is that it fosters the demonstrably flawed leftist view that redistribution of wealth will help everyone. Despite all empirical evidence to the contrary, leftists continue to steal from the industrious to give to the takers, with the excuse that it's beneficial to society.

(12-03-2013 11:06 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's simple. The left is doing everything it can to make sure these people become registered Democrats. That is the one and only real reason.

um....seriously?

what isnt a massive democratic conspiracy to you??????

Uh, and who exactly is supporting these measures?

You're as functionally illterate as dbjon.

(12-03-2013 11:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

And once again, tom posts w/o an answer. Because attention seeking.

The answer to the question is that it fosters the demonstrably flawed leftist view that redistribution of wealth will help everyone. Despite all empirical evidence to the contrary, leftists continue to steal from the industrious to give to the takers, with the excuse that it's beneficial to society.

What is redistributive about it. Anymore than having public schools? The reason that tuition is subsidized is not a perk for taxpayers but to ensure that people have access to education so that our economy has an educated workforce...

(12-03-2013 11:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 11:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

And once again, tom posts w/o an answer. Because attention seeking.

The answer to the question is that it fosters the demonstrably flawed leftist view that redistribution of wealth will help everyone. Despite all empirical evidence to the contrary, leftists continue to steal from the industrious to give to the takers, with the excuse that it's beneficial to society.

What is redistributive about it.

That's obvious and inherently true. You're trying to deflect, and once again will sacrifice reality to try to make a point. We're not as dumb as you and your friends.

Quote: Anymore than having public schools?

Which are questionable to begin with, but at least have the excuse of providing the basics for functioning citizens.

Quote:The reason that tuition is subsidized is not a perk for taxpayers but to ensure that people have access to education so that our economy has an educated workforce...

Which is a perk for taxpayers...duh. But since unqualified people now have subsidized access to education, it is a program that runs contrary even to your defense of it. Ergo, you just proved your own position to be wrong.

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

Let's say there are two high school seniors and both want to attend the University of Texas in Austin ....

Person #1) An illegal immigrant, who came to this country at age 14. He spent 4 years at a high school in Waco, TX and did well academically.

Person #2) A U.S. citizen, born and raised in Oklahoma City. He grew up a Texas Longhorn fan and did well academically at his Oklahoma City high school.

Assuming they're both admitted to the University of Texas, is it fair that the illegal alien would pay less than half of what one of our own U.S. citizens would pay?

(12-03-2013 11:26 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

Let's say there are two high school seniors and both want to attend the University of Texas in Austin ....

Person #1) An illegal immigrant, who came to this country at age 14. He spent 4 years at a high school in Waco, TX and did well academically.

Person #2) A U.S. citizen, born and raised in Oklahoma City. He grew up a Texas Longhorn fan and did well academically at his Oklahoma City high school.

Assuming they're both admitted to the University of Texas, is it fair that the illegal alien would pay less than half of what one of our own U.S. citizens would pay?

No, it's not fair, it could even be called discriminatory. This debate has been going on for years in California, and you know when they talk about illegals, they're not talking about people from Canada.

As said above, the left supports this crap and the benefactors of our tax money and lenient college admissioin standards tend to vote democrat. But there's no conspiracy here......NOT!

The Democrats are pushing for it because the look at it as a potential voting bloc AND they don't have to pay for it. Period, end of story. They can garner more votes at no cost to themselves.

I'd have to say it has more to do with grabbing votes as well.

The argument that it somehow benefits society is false. Overloading the system further does nobody any good.

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Because no one wants to snitch unless the offense is truly egregious. We as a nation have a sympathetic connection to the wave of immigration from the '20's and don't want to break that connection. We understand the situation in the countries the illegals are coming from is quite dire and justifies fleeing.

UConn-SMU Wrote:  Let's say there are two high school seniors and both want to attend the University of Texas in Austin ....

Person #1) An illegal immigrant, who came to this country at age 14. He spent 4 years at a high school in Waco, TX and did well academically.

Person #2) A U.S. citizen, born and raised in Oklahoma City. He grew up a Texas Longhorn fan and did well academically at his Oklahoma City high school.

Assuming they're both admitted to the University of Texas, is it fair that the illegal alien would pay less than half of what one of our own U.S. citizens would pay?

While this situation is decidedly unfair, I think it is a realization of the best we can hope for. The U.S. isn't invading Mexico and I would be more afraid of whatever gov't agency was empowered to conduct massive deportations than illegals themselves.

Its likely that the family of Person #1 have kept themselves off the radar and have emphasized education to the such an extent that the kid is functionally 'American', despite his illegal roots. Person #2 gets screwed, but its not fair that the U.S. has to share it boarder with a country that is so economically disparate from ourselves.

(12-03-2013 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's simple. The left is doing everything it can to make sure these people become registered Democrats. That is the one and only real reason.

Wouldn't it be ironic if these educated kids become successful and suddenly understand things like economics and become Conservatives?

(12-03-2013 11:26 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

Let's say there are two high school seniors and both want to attend the University of Texas in Austin ....

Person #1) An illegal immigrant, who came to this country at age 14. He spent 4 years at a high school in Waco, TX and did well academically.

Person #2) A U.S. citizen, born and raised in Oklahoma City. He grew up a Texas Longhorn fan and did well academically at his Oklahoma City high school.

Assuming they're both admitted to the University of Texas, is it fair that the illegal alien would pay less than half of what one of our own U.S. citizens would pay?

Actually, the kid from Waco probably comes from a family that has paid far more in direct (sales) taxes and indirect taxes to the state of Texas than the kid from Oklahoma and his family.

Really bad example.

(12-03-2013 12:30 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's simple. The left is doing everything it can to make sure these people become registered Democrats. That is the one and only real reason.

Wouldn't it be ironic if these educated kids become successful and suddenly understand things like economics and become Conservatives?

Is there a point in there somewhere? Is this how you justify it?

(12-03-2013 10:58 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 10:48 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Can someone rationally explain why someone who is here illegally should be admitted into a state university? And why on God's green Earth should they get reduced tuition/room/board?

If they go undetected, there's nothing we can do. But if we can identify that they are illegal, why can't we just pick up the phone, report the situation, and have them deported?

What does Mexico do with illegals from Central America? I doubt they get reduced tuition at Mexican universities.

We are the dumbest nation on the planet.

Those crossing the border at age 5 or so aren't going back to some country that they've never known at age 16 or 18. Its in our interest to ensure that everyone that will be living here has access to contribute to our economy. Whether you like it or not, we will all be sharing this country for a long time.

I begrudgingly see your point; however, if that is to be, then the person should be charged out of state tuition.

It sure is interesting how liberals think everyone is dumb enough to believe their explanations around the simple fact they want to grow their base - at the cost of our sovereignty.

Illegal aliens have taken over parts of this country and they still are not interested in protecting this nation. This is probably in my top five reasons why I loath liberalism. Everything about them is crooked, underhanded and based in lying.

What about this situation?

1) Illegal alien who lived 4 years in Waco, TX ... 3.81 high school GPA and a 1800 SAT.
2) American citizen who lived 18 years in Fort Worth, TX ... 3.80 high school GPA and a 1790 SAT.

Which one should the University of Texas accept if there's one spot available? How would you feel if you were the American and got beat out by someone who shouldn't even be here?

Undocumented people who wish to get a higher education should be encouraged.

If we try and stop them, then we doom them to a life of dependence on government assistance.

Allowing them to pay instate tuition simply gives them the opportunity to become tax paying individuals rather than dependents of the government and tax payers.