[quote="Sir Galahad"][quote]1. BCS conference
2. Beaten two Top 25 opponents in football since going DIA just 5 years ago. USF has also beaten a bunch of BCS programs whereas UCF's lone to claim to fame is beating a down and out 3-8 Alabama team.
3. At large bid from a solid basketball program instead of an autobid from the TAAC
4. Beaten a handful of Top 25 basketball opponents. Beaten many national programs as well.
5. Six outs away from the College World Series....
6. got into all sports conference before UCF.... [/quote]
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Maybe you did not understand what "on the field" means. Never mentioned anything about basketball here, but don't go calling the teams USF beat last year from the Big East, 'BCS' teams. USF has never beaten a BCS team not in the Big East.[/quote]
Spin, pure spin. The BigEast is a BCS conference, always has been always will be. Too bad you can't figure it out.
[quote]Wrong again, the State of Florida paid for about half of the SunDome and made that offer to all State schools including UCF. Just b/c your leadership had no clue is not USF's fault. [/quote]
[quote]Wrong cyber, the state paid for half of the O'Connell center in Gainesville because UF wanted a larger version, which it got. The O'Connell center has UF's Swimming pool and gym built into the sides of the O'Connell Center. USF just got the basic shell, which the state paid for.[/quote]
Try again, the two arena's are indentical. All the side buildings were added afterwards, much like USF is doing right now. The State flipped the bill for equally for both arenas. You really have not clue. Either way, you dodged the original point which was that UCF's lack of leadership is what screwed you, not USF. yOu had your chance and blew it.
[quote]Do you even get tired of playing the victim card? Once again bad leadership kept UCF out of a conference. C-USA approached UCF back in early 1990s about joining the nascent league. UCF thought they were "better" than CUSA and dimwittedly not only dismissed the idea of joining the new league but talk badly about the league in public.
UCF could have been in the Metro Conferene, but our AD was more a a football guy and did not want any part of a basketball conference. [/quote]
[quote]Once again, you are showing what you don't know about the subjects. CUSA did not exist back in the early 90's, what was then was the Metro Conference, and I already covered that area as to why UCF did not go to the Metro.[/quote]
It's a good thing you didn't apply to UCF nowadays b/c you wouldn't get in. Nacent means "newly formed, or in the process of forming". CUSA was born in the mid-1990s but the wheels for this conference were turning almost immediately after the formation of the Metro Conference, which was in the early 1990s. Furthermore, that is a poor excuse about UCF not being interested inthe Metro, b/c I can assure you the feeling was mutual. USF had to pull some strings and connections to get into the Metro and we had some recent history of success and a still fairly new SunDome. Why would the Metro ever consider UCF who had zero basketball reputation and no arena?
[quote]You are almost right about this one. USF understood early on that national recognition could be better attained by emphasizing graduate education. It's easier to focus on undergraduate education, b/c there is no inherent creation of knowledge as there is in graduate education. Thus it's going to be much easier for USF to bolster it's undergrad education to a Top 50 public university level than it's going to be for UCF to reach USF's level of research funding. Growing a medical school is a long term project, something many who think UCF will immediately compete with UF and USF for funding dollars have no clue about. [/quote]
[quote]Nice attempt at a back handed slap, but you are off again. There is a big reason why UCF is considered a better school than USF and it has everything to do with the quality of incoming freshman. There is a reason why UCF ranks second only to UF in terms of difficulty to get in and freshman honors and why USF is beind, UF, UCF, FSU, FAU and FIU. UCF already is considered excellent in engineer, laser research and computer science. Maybe you should read this article:[/quote]
UCF's freshmen have slightly better test scores than USF. Big deal, neither school is going to be mistaken for an Ivy League school. Secondly USF's strength is graduate education and will be a Top 50 Public Research University in two years and eligible for membership into the prestigious AAU. Key word is eligible b/c it's a very exclusive club, however you have to be eligible before you can even think of joining that elite club. USF is farther ahead than FSU in this department, and there is only one AAU school in Florida.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/conte..._0702.html
[quote]gree, but funny how most USF fans were saying this for years until it became obvious that Sloan and Krapchek were ignorant sloths[/quote]
[quote]Funny, we UCF fans are saying the same things about how Leavitt is running USF football program now.[/quote]
Leavitt runs a clean program. He doesn't recruit dirty like your coach and is a player's coach. He wins games and by in large makes sure that his players go to class and graduate. Your attempts to discredit him are sad and just shows the envy you have about USF's success, and UCF's lack therof.
[quote]Really? Where is your invite? Where is the evidence that the BE is going to expand? Unless UCF comes football only I doubt that UCF is going to be changing leagues anytime soon. It would be more correct to say that Big East moved forward without UCF. [/quote]
[quote]Well I know you just don't want to admit it, so I will post just a little post from say a Pitt board:
Just found something interesting about UCF Reply
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Pretty decent academics. I had no idea. Might make a nice Big East school a few years from now. Lots of promise here. Get ND out, bring in UCF, and all the sudden we have 10 football schools and 16 schools for all the other sports. Not now, but a few years from now.
http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/showmsg.asp...d=&style=2[/quote]
So since when do the BigEast Presidents report to this Pitt Fan. For evey Pitt fan that you find saying nice things about UCF I can find twice as many who want nothing to do with UCF. UCF adds nothing academically tothe conference as there are three AAU schools in the BigEAst and UCF is no where close to even being eligible. In their eyes, you are either AAU or you are not, and when there is only 63 schools in this club, it's pretty obvious that they have a right to look down at other schools.
[quote]You act like BigEast schools have not hosted big time opponents, which is ludicrous considering the storied programs inthe BigEast such as Pitt, WVU and Syracuse. All these programs have gone to a BCS bowl game over the last 10 years. Similarly, not only has UL hosted bigtime programs like FSU but actually beat them, something that UCF will not do against Texas. Sure you will have a nice gate for your stadium opener, but that would have happened anyways. However how many of those bandwagon fans are going to show up for you CDOA schedule? Bandwagon? Yes, b/c if they weren't where are they now when you can't even sell more season tickets than a 9 year old program? [/quote]
[quote]cyber, I understand you went to USF, so you are at a disadvantage right off the bat so I will break it down for you. I said "
the experiance that UCF fans will feel on our own campus will rival or surpass those of any Big East school considering that there are not too many stadiums in the Big East that have more seats than UCF's stadium will have, and considering that the game will be on national TV and considering that it will be a sell out, I would find it hard to believe that the atmosphere could not RIVAL anything in the Big East. [/quote]
Now you are backtracking....and based on how you bad mouth the bigEast. Furthermore, for years you ripped USF b/c you believed that CDOA teams would not excite fans that grew up watching SEC football in Florida. A few years later it's your turn to watch these bottom feeders play but all of the sudden teams like Rice, SMu or UAB are going to excite your fanbase. Moreover, this fanbase you keep talking about doesn't exist. Where were they most of last year? I also get a good laugh how you selectively pick apart the BE and USF yet overlook UCF's questionable attendance numbers. UCF includes the CDOA championship game as part of their attendance. Last time I checked this was not an official home game for UCF. It may have been a majority of UCF fans at the game but you would expect a large crowd for a game like this. Actually it's an indictment of UCF's fanabase b/c you didn't sell out the game. 50K fans in a stadium that holds ~70K is pretty piss poor considering the "remarkable turnaround" you guys keep on blabbering about. In contrast, USF had it's best crowd at RJS for the West Virginia game. This was despite USF blowing a chance to play for the conference title and a BCS bid. If USF would have won at UCONN (damnRodSmith) USF would have likely nearly sold out the entire stadium b/c they were expecting a very large walkup crowd for the game.
[quote]Cyber, it is very evident that you suffering from the ***** envy that UCF is building. You can mask it with you "got BCS" crap, but those BCS numbers did nothing for USF last year as it was two Florida teams that broght the biggest crowds to USF, no matter how many times your athletic department changes the numbers. Face it, bringing Cuse, Pitt and others down to play at an off campus NFL stadium with no USF markings on the field will never surpass the excitment of playing on campus. I have been to several USF games and I will tell you that no matter how many McDonalds commercials they play there, no matter how sad it is that Paul Porter has to scream "defense" over the PA system, USF does not play in a college atmosphere. Hell, USF might not even have a band this year. Where is all that BCS money that USF can't even support a band.[/quote]
Hmmm....interesting that you would know about my "Got BCS" crap since the only board I use that term on a regular basis is on Brad's UCF-USF smack board. A board you need to have special permission to join and board you obviously read, b/c its the only place you would be able to read what a few knuckle heads are writing about USF's band. A rumor that is absolutely false as confirmed by a high ranking athletic department administrator.
In addition, I have gone to my share of UCF games, back when you had decent players like Culpepper, or even way back with Jefferson et al. The atmosphere at those UCF games was terrible. I just laugh how you think you are going to con 45K fans to pay their hard earned money to come watch glorified Division I-AA football. Afterall who wants to watch Rice, SMU, Houston and the rest of the old, rejected Southwest conference?
Oh one last thing, when was the last time I went on a USF or CDOA board and started a thread that intentionally flamed UCF, or CDOA for that matter? Your hate for USF is unhealthy Phil, do yourself and us a favor and delete your bookmark to this board. It would do wonders for your self esteem.
