(12-02-2013 11:18 PM)john01992 Wrote:  every real cfb fan knows michigan & osu is the biggest & greatest rivalry of all time.

one rivalry having homicides associated with it by no means should be used to promote it as a more intense rivalry than any other rivalry. that is if anything more telling of the particular demographic makeup of a schools particular fanbase.

Someone got shot, and you slink in here to tell us that the tOSU/UM rivalry is bigger?

(12-03-2013 10:10 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:18 PM)john01992 Wrote:  every real cfb fan knows michigan & osu is the biggest & greatest rivalry of all time.

one rivalry having homicides associated with it by no means should be used to promote it as a more intense rivalry than any other rivalry. that is if anything more telling of the particular demographic makeup of a schools particular fanbase.

Someone got shot, and you slink in here to tell us that the tOSU/UM rivalry is bigger?

i stand corrected

Let's just call them emotional.

I'd go with its more the crazy person than the outcome of a game. I mean a bad cup of coffee could have set this person off but no question sec fans can be bizarre in their support.

(12-02-2013 11:27 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 10:57 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In a word: backwards.

"Backwards"? I am sure the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry breeds no trouble at all huh... There are idiots everywhere, not just in Alabama and the South. I knew someone would take a shot at us over this. You win Doc. Pick up your door prize.

LOL! Was that a pun? If so, well done.

I shouldn't clarify my point because it is fun watching people go apeschitt over absolutely nothing. First let me point out that you offered no outrage over a woman shooting and killing another woman for not being upset enough over a Crimson Tide loss. However, when I wrote "In a word: backwards," well now I've gone too far.

Does that seem appropriate to you?

For the record, I wasn't calling the fans of either the Auburn Tigers or the Alabama Crimson Tide backwards. Nor was I calling the residents of the state of Alabama, fans of the Southeastern Conference or residents of the entire Southern United States backwards. I was calling the human being that killed another human being over the result of a college football game backwards. Why, because she is backwards. I will also call backwards anyone who sees this incident as a sign of passion rather than what it really was: untreated mental illness and far too easy access to firearms for such people.

How much do you want to bet that this isn't this woman's first disturbing incident? I understand what the initial reports said but I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that as they dig further into this woman's history they are going to uncover a very different story about her deteriorating mental stability.

Finally, you and I both know that this story will forever be tied to that incredible college football game and to the Iron Bowl's overall legacy. We also know that fans of both schools as well as other SEC schools will pridefully tell this story as a sign of the intensity of said rivalry. For the next several decades, every time they show that play, people all across the nation will say, "You know, after that game one Alabama fan shot another Alabama fan for not being upset enough over the loss." Then some other idiot will say, "That just goes to show how passionate those folks/we are about college football."

I am saying that anyone anywhere who reduces to a college football ornament a violent homicide over absolutely nothing is indeed a backwards human being touting a backwards culture.

(12-03-2013 12:13 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I shouldn't clarify my point because it is fun watching people go apeschitt over absolutely nothing. First let me point out that you offered no outrage over a woman shooting and killing another woman for not being upset enough over a Crimson Tide loss. However, when I wrote "In a word: backwards," well now I've gone too far.

Does that seem appropriate to you?

For the record, I wasn't calling the fans of either the Auburn Tigers or the Alabama Crimson Tide backwards. Nor was I calling the residents of the state of Alabama, fans of the Southeastern Conference or residents of the entire Southern United States backwards. I was calling the human being that killed another human being over the result of a college football game backwards. Why, because she is backwards. I will also call backwards anyone who sees this incident as a sign of passion rather than what it really was: untreated mental illness and far too easy access to firearms for such people.

How much do you want to bet that this isn't this woman's first disturbing incident? I understand what the initial reports said but I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that as they dig further into this woman's history they are going to uncover a very different story about her deteriorating mental stability.

Finally, you and I both know that this story will forever be tied to that incredible college football game and to the Iron Bowl's overall legacy. We also know that fans of both schools as well as other SEC schools will pridefully tell this story as a sign of the intensity of said rivalry. For the next several decades, every time they show that play, people all across the nation will say, "You know, after that game one Alabama fan shot another Alabama fan for not being upset enough over the loss." Then some other idiot will say, "That just goes to show how passionate those folks/we are about college football."

I am saying that anyone anywhere who reduces to a college football ornament a violent homicide over absolutely nothing is indeed a backwards human being touting a backwards culture.

I get upset when a killer walks into a school and kills six teachers ans 20 kids. I also get upset when gangs in Chicago kill school children walking to school almost everyday. That said, I tend to get less upset when people drink until they can't see and parties get out of control. It is sad but preventable... You are correct here in that this rivalry is over the top. Poisoning trees, murdering people, etc. My point is that it is not just the Alabama-Auburn game, or a backwards South.

(12-02-2013 10:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  It's true. The early rivalry was halted for almost 3 decades because of violence. Since its resumption in the 40's the game's aftermath has had numerous homicides associated with it. Seldom more than 1 a year, but I think you get the picture. Again, seldom have either the perpetrator or victim actually been alumni of either school. Folks down South know that Auburn/Alabama is a more heated rivalry than other instate rivalries in the South. I lived in Michigan and know that the Ohio State/ Michigan rivalry goes way back to a property dispute and is heated, but not on the same homicidal level of Auburn/Alabama. USC & UCLA are across town from one another, UNC and Duke & UNC/NCState are just down the road from each other and have nothing quite like this experience. You have to live with it to know what it is capable of producing.

Now all that said, I've been going to Iron Bowl games since I was in Junior High school, 5 decades worth of them, and never have I seen anything at the actual game other than a couple of fistfights between drunks. Once when leaving Legion field a drunk Alabama fan was insulting a woman with children when he got decked. It was another Bama fan that dropped him with one good right cross and then apologized for the guys behavior to the insulted woman. So, like I said, I haven't known of the violence to exist between alumni of the two schools, but those who never attended either school are the ones most likely to do something really stupid and tragic. That's part of the cultural phenomena of the game I'll never really grasp.

Sidenote: One of our posters said he couldn't believe a demographic he read saying that there were more Auburn than Alabama fans in the State. Well, if you are talking actual living alumni then Auburn probably does have more. It has had a larger undergraduate base for almost 4 decades now. It varies from being just a small advantage over many years to be an advantage of a couple of thousand more for almost 20 Auburyears during that time period. So from an alumni perspective that is probably true. But if you count trailer park fans Alabama has the lead. Those fans tend to hang their hat on the team that wins the most and over a large period of time that was Bama. Auburn gained quite a few TP fans in the 80's and 90's so even that gap has narrowed, although I doubt that is something that we will tout as some kind of accomplishment. Thank God for Saban, he recaptured many of that demographic in the last 5 years.

Auburn has a larger alumni base than Alabama. Auburn's alumni leave Alabama in larger numbers than Alabama's, so I'm not sure if there are more Auburn or Alabama alumni in the state.

Easily 75% of Alabamians not holding a college degree are Alabama fans

(12-03-2013 09:20 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  One late Auburn fan gets his reward:

http://thebiglead.com/2013/12/02/human-a...e-stadium/

Well, I guess game day security will have to search for urns before you go in the stadium now (although whoever did this probably had their deceased spouse, or parent, in a baggie which is a little disturbing anyway).

The guy poisoning Toomers Oaks only adds to the backward perception . I feel sorry for the normal Alabama fans success brings haters . This kind of behavior by a few idiots just gives their detractors ammunition .

(12-03-2013 04:06 PM)MJG Wrote:  The guy poisoning Toomers Oaks only adds to the backward perception . I feel sorry for the normal Alabama fans success brings haters . This kind of behavior by a few idiots just gives their detractors ammunition .

I live in Mississippi and my front door has remained unlocked at night for 25 years. Can you make that claim? If this is backwards, I will take it. and by the way, Ohio State fans were told to spurn the letter M. That is forward thinking.

(12-03-2013 08:10 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 04:06 PM)MJG Wrote:  The guy poisoning Toomers Oaks only adds to the backward perception . I feel sorry for the normal Alabama fans success brings haters . This kind of behavior by a few idiots just gives their detractors ammunition .

I live in Mississippi and my front door has remained unlocked at night for 25 years. Can you make that claim? If this is backwards, I will take it. and by the way, Ohio State fans were told to spurn the letter M. That is forward thinking.

Why are you responding to my post negatively all I am saying is a few bad apples are making Bama fans look bad . I live in South Carolina and have lived in Georgia and Michigan . I didn't have to lock my doors either what is that supposed to mean . When you are on top people look for reasons to bring you down . I don't think Alabama fans or any other fans are backward .

One other thing I don't like the buckeyes . One year Michigan beat an undefeated OSU and they were flipping cars with Michigan tags . Those days are long gone and most fans are decent . I have friends that are Alabama fans you don't think any of our mutual friends made fun of them over the whole killing trees thing . It's just sports not politics except for the BCS that is politics .

(12-03-2013 08:39 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 08:10 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 04:06 PM)MJG Wrote:  The guy poisoning Toomers Oaks only adds to the backward perception . I feel sorry for the normal Alabama fans success brings haters . This kind of behavior by a few idiots just gives their detractors ammunition .

I live in Mississippi and my front door has remained unlocked at night for 25 years. Can you make that claim? If this is backwards, I will take it. and by the way, Ohio State fans were told to spurn the letter M. That is forward thinking.

Why are you responding to my post negatively all I am saying is a few bad apples are making Bama fans look bad . I live in South Carolina and have lived in Georgia and Michigan . I didn't have to lock my doors either what is that supposed to mean . When you are on top people look for reasons to bring you down . I don't think Alabama fans or any other fans are backward .

I should not have used the word "you". I intended this comment for those haters you were talking about. Sorry...

(12-03-2013 12:45 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2013 12:13 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I shouldn't clarify my point because it is fun watching people go apeschitt over absolutely nothing. First let me point out that you offered no outrage over a woman shooting and killing another woman for not being upset enough over a Crimson Tide loss. However, when I wrote "In a word: backwards," well now I've gone too far.

Does that seem appropriate to you?

For the record, I wasn't calling the fans of either the Auburn Tigers or the Alabama Crimson Tide backwards. Nor was I calling the residents of the state of Alabama, fans of the Southeastern Conference or residents of the entire Southern United States backwards. I was calling the human being that killed another human being over the result of a college football game backwards. Why, because she is backwards. I will also call backwards anyone who sees this incident as a sign of passion rather than what it really was: untreated mental illness and far too easy access to firearms for such people.

How much do you want to bet that this isn't this woman's first disturbing incident? I understand what the initial reports said but I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that as they dig further into this woman's history they are going to uncover a very different story about her deteriorating mental stability.

Finally, you and I both know that this story will forever be tied to that incredible college football game and to the Iron Bowl's overall legacy. We also know that fans of both schools as well as other SEC schools will pridefully tell this story as a sign of the intensity of said rivalry. For the next several decades, every time they show that play, people all across the nation will say, "You know, after that game one Alabama fan shot another Alabama fan for not being upset enough over the loss." Then some other idiot will say, "That just goes to show how passionate those folks/we are about college football."

I am saying that anyone anywhere who reduces to a college football ornament a violent homicide over absolutely nothing is indeed a backwards human being touting a backwards culture.

I get upset when a killer walks into a school and kills six teachers ans 20 kids. I also get upset when gangs in Chicago kill school children walking to school almost everyday. That said, I tend to get less upset when people drink until they can't see and parties get out of control. It is sad but preventable... You are correct here in that this rivalry is over the top. Poisoning trees, murdering people, etc. My point is that it is not just the Alabama-Auburn game, or a backwards South.

Brother, I'm not hung up on the whole North vs. South bullschitt. That's a Southern thing as far as I can tell. Where I come from (Pittsburgh), we don't give a schitt about that issue one way or the other and never have. We don't really identify with any particular region so we don't feel a special kinship with someone from New York any more than we do Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles or Atlanta. You are all basically the same to us.

Hell, I don't even know what constitutes "the South" to you folks? Like, is Texas "the South?" Beats the hell out of me? What about Oklahoma? I have no clue. Arizona? California? Seriously, what is "the North" and what is "the South" because the last time those issues were germane to anything was before the sport of football was even invented?

All I was saying is that anyone who shoots another person over a football game is backwards and mentally unstable regardless of where they are from. HOWEVER, I must also say that anyone who points to this incident with any sort of pride as a demonstration of the SEC's "passion for college football" is also a backwards moron.

For the record, I have lived in my current home for about seven years now and neither me nor my wife has ever locked our front door either. Also, several of my neighbors have my garage door code in case they ever need to get something from my garage for any reason. I have their codes too. We use it around this time of year to hide presents from kids, steal beer from each other, drop by unexpectedly for a beer and to watch a game, etc. I'm not sure what that proves exactly but that seems to be a big deal with you so I thought I'd throw that out there as well. I feel very fortunate to live in the neighborhood/city in which I reside. It is a wonderful place to raise children as I'm sure parts of Mississippi and Alabama are as well.