(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Besides, if this were to happen Mizzou would play for a NC.

Auburn would have beaten them... Mizzou would be out.

(12-02-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It'd be between Alabama and Michigan St. The question would be could MSU get far enough ahead in the polls to balance out the cpu advantage Alabama would have?

Michigan St. wouldn't get there. They are way down in the polls and computers. It would be between Alabama and FSU.

If his scenario happened-
1 FSU lost
2 Ohio St lost
3 Auburn won
4 Alabama dnp
5 Missouri lost
6 Oklahoma St lost
7 Stanford ? vs Ariz St
8 S Carolina dnp
9 Baylor ? vs Texas
10 Mich St won

I think FSU would drop like wil e coyote off a cliff.... don't think they would have a chance. They'd be below Alabama in the polls, and in the computers.

I think it'd be almost a certainty that it'd be Alabama just looking at things.

More likely than not. But enough voters may not want a rematch they put FSU or Oklahoma St. (if they won-the OP has Cowboys losing) ahead. ESPN has learned its lesson with the last rematch they pushed. They won't push this one hard.

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Besides, if this were to happen Mizzou would play for a NC.

Auburn would have beaten them... Mizzou would be out.

My bad. You're right.

Replace Auburn with Mizzou in the scenario and you'd have what I was getting at.

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  FSU and Ohio St would be in the exact same boat as Alabama.

even with the new playoff- they've said they'll give priority to conference champions. Not division champions.

If they both lost, the playoff would be

1. Auburn/Mizzou
2. Bama
3. FSU
4. Ok St. (11-1)

OSU would be out. They beat NOBODY this year. A loss to MSU would be unforgivable. Maybe FSU just has an off day and chokes a title game, but they still get through in the playoff IMO. If Ok St also loses, then you have to consider Baylor/OSU. That would be a tough decision to fill the #4 hole.

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It'd be between Alabama and Michigan St. The question would be could MSU get far enough ahead in the polls to balance out the cpu advantage Alabama would have?

Michigan St. wouldn't get there. They are way down in the polls and computers. It would be between Alabama and FSU.

If his scenario happened-
1 FSU lost
2 Ohio St lost
3 Auburn won
4 Alabama dnp
5 Missouri lost
6 Oklahoma St lost
7 Stanford ? vs Ariz St
8 S Carolina dnp
9 Baylor ? vs Texas
10 Mich St won

I think FSU would drop like wil e coyote off a cliff.... don't think they would have a chance. They'd be below Alabama in the polls, and in the computers.

I think it'd be almost a certainty that it'd be Alabama just looking at things.

More likely than not. But enough voters may not want a rematch they put FSU or Oklahoma St. (if they won-the OP has Cowboys losing) ahead. ESPN has learned its lesson with the last rematch they pushed. They won't push this one hard.

The problem is- Alabama would be ahead of FSU in the computers. FSU would need to be ahead of Alabama by at least as much as Ohio St is ahead of Auburn this week. I just don't see that happening if Duke has beaten them. It just doesn't seem like there's any chance.

Also- if Missouri has beaten Auburn- I think it's case closed- Alabama gets in.

(12-02-2013 12:09 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  FSU and Ohio St would be in the exact same boat as Alabama.

even with the new playoff- they've said they'll give priority to conference champions. Not division champions.

If they both lost, the playoff would be

1. Auburn/Mizzou
2. Bama
3. FSU
4. Ok St. (11-1)

OSU would be out. They beat NOBODY this year. A loss to MSU would be unforgivable. Maybe FSU just has an off day and chokes a title game, but they still get through in the playoff IMO. If Ok St also loses, then you have to consider Baylor/OSU. THat would be a tough decision to fill the #4 hole.

I think Michigan St would get a ton of consideration. Especially if Oklahoma St loses. And, wouldn't necessarily guarantee you FSU who also didn't be anyone.

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

In overtime, on the road, the day after a plane crash killed fellow athletes at Oklahoma St., people they knew. They beat 4 teams ranked in the final AP Poll. Alabama had lost to the other team in the BCS game already, in Tuscaloosa, and beat 1 team ranked in the final AP Poll until they beat LSU in the BCS game. Oklahoma St. won a conference title. Alabama didn't even win a division. Case closed.

I'm fairly certain that it would be an Iron Bowl rematch if all of those upsets occurred. Bama's numbers are too good - they're already solidly lodged into 4th place and there isn't anyone else that could reasonably catch up to them. Plus, the voters could very well look at the Bama-Auburn result as a bit of a fluke or, at best, a coin toss (just as those same voters used the close OT Bama-LSU game as justification for a rematch 2 years ago). Intuitively, if your one loss is to the #1 team on a crazy play at the very end of regulation, that is arguably the "best loss" of any team. I'm not saying that I'd want to see the rematch (frankly, I'm personally ready for the era of SEC dominance to end), but having a Bama-Auburn rematch is far from crazy, especially considering the other alternatives.

(12-02-2013 12:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:24 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It'd be between Alabama and Michigan St. The question would be could MSU get far enough ahead in the polls to balance out the cpu advantage Alabama would have?

Michigan St. wouldn't get there. They are way down in the polls and computers. It would be between Alabama and FSU.

If his scenario happened-
1 FSU lost
2 Ohio St lost
3 Auburn won
4 Alabama dnp
5 Missouri lost
6 Oklahoma St lost
7 Stanford ? vs Ariz St
8 S Carolina dnp
9 Baylor ? vs Texas
10 Mich St won

I think FSU would drop like wil e coyote off a cliff.... don't think they would have a chance. They'd be below Alabama in the polls, and in the computers.

I think it'd be almost a certainty that it'd be Alabama just looking at things.

More likely than not. But enough voters may not want a rematch they put FSU or Oklahoma St. (if they won-the OP has Cowboys losing) ahead. ESPN has learned its lesson with the last rematch they pushed. They won't push this one hard.

The problem is- Alabama would be ahead of FSU in the computers. FSU would need to be ahead of Alabama by at least as much as Ohio St is ahead of Auburn this week. I just don't see that happening if Duke has beaten them. It just doesn't seem like there's any chance.

Also- if Missouri has beaten Auburn- I think it's case closed- Alabama gets in.

Florida St. was ahead of Alabama in most of the computers before the Auburn game. They will have had 1 win to go with their 1 loss while Alabama had 1 loss since then. They might still be ahead in the computers. Typically, they would drop FSU well below Alabama in the human polls (team who loses last drops). But they might reconsider to avoid a rematch.

(12-02-2013 12:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

In overtime, on the road, the day after a plane crash killed fellow athletes at Oklahoma St., people they knew. They beat 4 teams ranked in the final AP Poll. Alabama had lost to the other team in the BCS game already, in Tuscaloosa, and beat 1 team ranked in the final AP Poll until they beat LSU in the BCS game. Oklahoma St. won a conference title. Alabama didn't even win a division. Case closed.

It's Iowa State; there is no getting around that. They should have won that game with their eyes closed. Had Alabama lost to Kentucky I'd agree with you.

(12-02-2013 12:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

In overtime, on the road, the day after a plane crash killed fellow athletes at Oklahoma St., people they knew. They beat 4 teams ranked in the final AP Poll. Alabama had lost to the other team in the BCS game already, in Tuscaloosa, and beat 1 team ranked in the final AP Poll until they beat LSU in the BCS game. Oklahoma St. won a conference title. Alabama didn't even win a division. Case closed.

When the selections were made. Oklahoma st had 3 AP top 25 wins. Baylor, Kansas St, and Oklahoma.
Alabama had 2- Penn St and Arkansas.

It's not 4-1 like you are trying to say. Not at all. It's either 4-2 or 3-2. If you give Oklahoma St Stanford, you must give Alabama LSU.

(12-02-2013 12:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  Michigan St. wouldn't get there. They are way down in the polls and computers. It would be between Alabama and FSU.

If his scenario happened-
1 FSU lost
2 Ohio St lost
3 Auburn won
4 Alabama dnp
5 Missouri lost
6 Oklahoma St lost
7 Stanford ? vs Ariz St
8 S Carolina dnp
9 Baylor ? vs Texas
10 Mich St won

I think FSU would drop like wil e coyote off a cliff.... don't think they would have a chance. They'd be below Alabama in the polls, and in the computers.

I think it'd be almost a certainty that it'd be Alabama just looking at things.

More likely than not. But enough voters may not want a rematch they put FSU or Oklahoma St. (if they won-the OP has Cowboys losing) ahead. ESPN has learned its lesson with the last rematch they pushed. They won't push this one hard.

The problem is- Alabama would be ahead of FSU in the computers. FSU would need to be ahead of Alabama by at least as much as Ohio St is ahead of Auburn this week. I just don't see that happening if Duke has beaten them. It just doesn't seem like there's any chance.

Also- if Missouri has beaten Auburn- I think it's case closed- Alabama gets in.

Florida St. was ahead of Alabama in most of the computers before the Auburn game. They will have had 1 win to go with their 1 loss while Alabama had 1 loss since then. They might still be ahead in the computers. Typically, they would drop FSU well below Alabama in the human polls (team who loses last drops). But they might reconsider to avoid a rematch.

I don't think a win over a 4-8 team is that meaningful to the computers.

FSU was ahead of Alabama in 4/6 computers. The thing is the Florida win is meaningless, the Alabama loss vs Auburn much better than a FSU loss vs Florida, and also the SEC is lifted by going 3-1 vs the SEC last weekend.

If FSU loses to Duke they don't deserve a shot..plain and simple.

If MSU, Duke, Missouri, and OU all win this Saturday- it's Missouri/Alabama with little to no problem at all.

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

You missed a lot from behind the scenes of that NC game. Alabama wasn't dramatically better, but they WERE given an unfair second shot.

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

You lost at home.

OSU lost on a questionable field goal on the road.

Penn State was trash in 2011- ask Houston- and it was one of Bama's main wins. Arkansas was the only other one.

OkState had a better resume, even with the loss.

Bama had their shot at LSU, OSU didn't. Bama did not deserve a mulligan.

(12-02-2013 12:54 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

You lost at home.

OSU lost on a questionable field goal on the road.

Penn State was trash in 2011- ask Houston- and it was one of Bama's main wins. Arkansas was the only other one.

OkState had a better resume, even with the loss.

Bama had their shot at LSU, OSU didn't. Bama did not deserve a mulligan.

This ^^^

I understand that Alabama may have been the second best team in 2011, but you can't just keep throwing them at the number 1 team until they win. Give someone else a chance.

(12-02-2013 12:54 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:05 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

That is bull. How can you say that? Oklahoma State had better wins than Bama did and all the bowls did was add a very good Stanford team to that.

OSU deserved it more than Bama did IMO. Bama won, but their resume didn't merit it over OSU IMO.

I call that bull.

Oklahoma lost to Iowa State. Case closed.

You lost at home.

OSU lost on a questionable field goal on the road.

Penn State was trash in 2011- ask Houston- and it was one of Bama's main wins. Arkansas was the only other one.

OkState had a better resume, even with the loss.

Bama had their shot at LSU, OSU didn't. Bama did not deserve a mulligan.

You can't lose to a perennial bottom dweller and claim you should play for a title, especially not the bottom dweller of a crappy conference.

Knowing what we know now, it was the right choice. Alabama took LSU apart.

(12-02-2013 12:49 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'd have to say a lot of this is an expression of some LSU hatred for Alabama.

With the benefit of hindsight it was the right NC game. It simply proved that Alabama was the dramatically better team.

You missed a lot from behind the scenes of that NC game. Alabama wasn't dramatically better, but they WERE given an unfair second shot.

Call it all the same game and you have 9-6 and 0-21.

All up, the score that year was 9-27 in Alabama's favour.

Alabama was a much better team all around.