TAMU might be having buyer's remorse on that phat extension for Sumlin right about now.

They faded to 4-4 in the SEC this year even with Manziel. How do they expect to do better without him? And if that's as far as they're gonna go, then they will be waaaaaaaay overpaying Sumlin.

(11-30-2013 11:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  TAMU might be having buyer's remorse on that phat extension for Sumlin right about now.

They faded to 4-4 in the SEC this year even with Manziel. How do they expect to do better without him? And if that's as far as they're gonna go, then they will be waaaaaaaay overpaying Sumlin.

Well put!

When you have a player like Johnny and only go 4-4 you have a serious problem somewhere.

(11-30-2013 11:01 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:55 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:46 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  What are you talking about? Last year they finished 11-2 and #5 in the country and their 2 losses were by a total of 8 points.

3rd in the SEC West. Tied for 5th in the SEC overall.

THAT'S what I'm talking about.

And which SEC team, other than Alabama, has done better the last two years? Asinine post.

When the SEC goes to 4 divisions and there is an 8 team playoff the strength of the SEC will really assert itself. We will not win the NC every year but the SEC will even be more dominant- and A&M will do just fine.

So you think SEC Conference standings are asinine?

People said they wouldn't compete. Well, they have done okay but when you look at the conference standings those predictions are largely true.

One need only look at where in the conference they have placed.

They have competed. They have done as well as any other team in the SEC other than Alabama. So by your logic no other teams in the SEC compete?

I think he was saying if Alabama, LSU, Missouri, Auburn, or South Carolina had Manziel they would be winning every game by 40. Losing four games in conference play takes you out any discussion for competing. They probably will not even finish the year ranked and they have a Heisman playing QB,

I am waiting to see if Sumlin will bring a defense to TAMU. Without that, I do not see a SEC championship on the horizon, or even a division champion.

(11-30-2013 11:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  TAMU might be having buyer's remorse on that phat extension for Sumlin right about now.

They faded to 4-4 in the SEC this year even with Manziel. How do they expect to do better without him? And if that's as far as they're gonna go, then they will be waaaaaaaay overpaying Sumlin.

4-4 looks bad until you look at who the four losses were.

7 point loss to 11-1 Alabama, who will finish in the Top 10

4 point loss to 11-1 Auburn, who will finish in the Top 10

7 point loss to 11-1 Missouri, who will finish in the Top 10

The only bad loss of the four was 24 to a 9 win LSU, who will likely finish in the Top 15.

If A&M wins their bowl they will finish with 9 wins and in the Top 20. Hell of a down year.

The offense is liable to take a step back losing Johnny Football, but the defense is going to get better since out of 29 slots on the defensive depth chart they have freshmen and sophomores manning 16 positions, including 11 true freshmen. They only have to replace four seniors on that side of the ball as well, so they are going to have experienced depth at every position, unlike this year. I don't look for the Aggies to drop off the face of the earth like some of you.

(11-30-2013 11:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  TAMU might be having buyer's remorse on that phat extension for Sumlin right about now.

They faded to 4-4 in the SEC this year even with Manziel. How do they expect to do better without him? And if that's as far as they're gonna go, then they will be waaaaaaaay overpaying Sumlin.

4-4 looks bad until you look at who the four losses were.

7 point loss to 11-1 Alabama, who will finish in the Top 10

4 point loss to 11-1 Auburn, who will finish in the Top 10

7 point loss to 11-1 Missouri, who will finish in the Top 10

The only bad loss of the four was 24 to a 9 win LSU, who will likely finish in the Top 15.

If A&M wins their bowl they will finish with 9 wins and in the Top 20. Hell of a down year.

The offense is liable to take a step back losing Johnny Football, but the defense is going to get better since out of 29 slots on the defensive depth chart they have freshmen and sophomores manning 16 positions, including 11 true freshmen. They only have to replace four seniors on that side of the ball as well, so they are going to have experienced depth at every position, unlike this year. I don't look for the Aggies to drop off the face of the earth like some of you.

There is no such thing as a good loss let alone FOUR. One loss is excusable but when you lose to nearly half the teams on your schedule your simply just an average team. UCF lost to a top ten team by three and beat a top ten team and they are ranked 19th and even lower in the coaches poll most likely.

If you can't beat good teams your not really a good team. Your no different than all the other (good/average teams). That's what made the SEC champion so strong all these years. They consistently beat the good teams and they are put against that team that just hardly got by good teams or did not have to play any good teams.

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:01 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:55 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  3rd in the SEC West. Tied for 5th in the SEC overall.

THAT'S what I'm talking about.

And which SEC team, other than Alabama, has done better the last two years? Asinine post.

When the SEC goes to 4 divisions and there is an 8 team playoff the strength of the SEC will really assert itself. We will not win the NC every year but the SEC will even be more dominant- and A&M will do just fine.

So you think SEC Conference standings are asinine?

People said they wouldn't compete. Well, they have done okay but when you look at the conference standings those predictions are largely true.

One need only look at where in the conference they have placed.

They have competed. They have done as well as any other team in the SEC other than Alabama. So by your logic no other teams in the SEC compete?

Dude, get a clue why don't you?

People said they wouldn't compete in the SEC. Well, they had a Heisman trophy winner and finished 3rd in their division one year and then worse the next year.

You aren't even on point.

Talk about asinine!

You have a strange concept of what competing means. They have competed quite well. As for Manziel, losing him will be huge, but again, they are getting the #1 QB in the country next year. Plus, with only 18 2014 recruits they are the #3 in team recruiting with an average star rating of 3.71. Do you think they would be doing that well if they had not joined the SEC? Do you think they cannot compete with that kind of talent? Or almost a 110,000 seat stadium?

A&M's problem has been defense. With the kind of talent A&M and facilities that problem should get fixed. The Aggies have only been in the SEC 2 years, and again, has competed on average the last two years as well as any SEC team not named Alabama. The Aggies long term in the SEC will be fine and they will win the SEC sometime in the next few years.

(11-30-2013 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:01 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:55 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  And which SEC team, other than Alabama, has done better the last two years? Asinine post.

When the SEC goes to 4 divisions and there is an 8 team playoff the strength of the SEC will really assert itself. We will not win the NC every year but the SEC will even be more dominant- and A&M will do just fine.

So you think SEC Conference standings are asinine?

People said they wouldn't compete. Well, they have done okay but when you look at the conference standings those predictions are largely true.

One need only look at where in the conference they have placed.

They have competed. They have done as well as any other team in the SEC other than Alabama. So by your logic no other teams in the SEC compete?

Dude, get a clue why don't you?

People said they wouldn't compete in the SEC. Well, they had a Heisman trophy winner and finished 3rd in their division one year and then worse the next year.

You aren't even on point.

Talk about asinine!

You have a strange concept of what competing means. They have competed quite well. As for Manziel, losing him will be huge, but again, they are getting the #1 QB in the country next year. Plus, with only 18 2014 recruits they are the #3 in team recruiting with an average star rating of 3.71. Do you think they would be doing that well if they had not joined the SEC? Do you think they cannot compete with that kind of talent? Or almost a 110,000 seat stadium?

A&M's problem has been defense. With the kind of talent A&M and facilities that problem should get fixed. The Aggies have only been in the SEC 2 years, and again, has competed on average the last two years as well as any SEC team not named Alabama. The Aggies long term in the SEC will be fine and they will win the SEC sometime in the next few years.

A strange concept? How one does in the Conference is a strange metric for saying how competitive IN THE CONFERENCE a team is?

So seats, recruits, and money, will do more for you on the field than a Heisman Trophy winner?

(11-30-2013 11:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:01 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:59 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So you think SEC Conference standings are asinine?

People said they wouldn't compete. Well, they have done okay but when you look at the conference standings those predictions are largely true.

One need only look at where in the conference they have placed.

They have competed. They have done as well as any other team in the SEC other than Alabama. So by your logic no other teams in the SEC compete?

Dude, get a clue why don't you?

People said they wouldn't compete in the SEC. Well, they had a Heisman trophy winner and finished 3rd in their division one year and then worse the next year.

You aren't even on point.

Talk about asinine!

You have a strange concept of what competing means. They have competed quite well. As for Manziel, losing him will be huge, but again, they are getting the #1 QB in the country next year. Plus, with only 18 2014 recruits they are the #3 in team recruiting with an average star rating of 3.71. Do you think they would be doing that well if they had not joined the SEC? Do you think they cannot compete with that kind of talent? Or almost a 110,000 seat stadium?

A&M's problem has been defense. With the kind of talent A&M and facilities that problem should get fixed. The Aggies have only been in the SEC 2 years, and again, has competed on average the last two years as well as any SEC team not named Alabama. The Aggies long term in the SEC will be fine and they will win the SEC sometime in the next few years.

A strange concept? How one does in the Conference is a strange metric for saying how competitive IN THE CONFERENCE a team is?

So seats, recruits, and money, will do more for you on the field than a Heisman Trophy winner?

Yes, very much so. Defense wins championships. Facilities help get you recruits. Recruits get you a good defense.

The Aggies do not need a Heisman Trophy QB to win the SEC, they need a really good defense.

(12-01-2013 12:03 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:01 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  They have competed. They have done as well as any other team in the SEC other than Alabama. So by your logic no other teams in the SEC compete?

Dude, get a clue why don't you?

People said they wouldn't compete in the SEC. Well, they had a Heisman trophy winner and finished 3rd in their division one year and then worse the next year.

You aren't even on point.

Talk about asinine!

You have a strange concept of what competing means. They have competed quite well. As for Manziel, losing him will be huge, but again, they are getting the #1 QB in the country next year. Plus, with only 18 2014 recruits they are the #3 in team recruiting with an average star rating of 3.71. Do you think they would be doing that well if they had not joined the SEC? Do you think they cannot compete with that kind of talent? Or almost a 110,000 seat stadium?

A&M's problem has been defense. With the kind of talent A&M and facilities that problem should get fixed. The Aggies have only been in the SEC 2 years, and again, has competed on average the last two years as well as any SEC team not named Alabama. The Aggies long term in the SEC will be fine and they will win the SEC sometime in the next few years.

A strange concept? How one does in the Conference is a strange metric for saying how competitive IN THE CONFERENCE a team is?

So seats, recruits, and money, will do more for you on the field than a Heisman Trophy winner?

Yes, very much so. Defense wins championships. Facilities help get you recruits. Recruits get you a good defense.

The Aggies do not need a Heisman Trophy QB to win the SEC, they need a really good defense.

I'd agree with that.

Back to the original point, if you finish 3rd or lower in your own division, with a Heisman Trophy winner, I think it's hard to say that you are very competitive in your conference. That confirms most people's expectation that A&M would under-perform.

Johnny has covered up a lot of warts so next year could easily be ugly.

(12-01-2013 12:03 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:01 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  They have competed. They have done as well as any other team in the SEC other than Alabama. So by your logic no other teams in the SEC compete?

Dude, get a clue why don't you?

People said they wouldn't compete in the SEC. Well, they had a Heisman trophy winner and finished 3rd in their division one year and then worse the next year.

You aren't even on point.

Talk about asinine!

You have a strange concept of what competing means. They have competed quite well. As for Manziel, losing him will be huge, but again, they are getting the #1 QB in the country next year. Plus, with only 18 2014 recruits they are the #3 in team recruiting with an average star rating of 3.71. Do you think they would be doing that well if they had not joined the SEC? Do you think they cannot compete with that kind of talent? Or almost a 110,000 seat stadium?

A&M's problem has been defense. With the kind of talent A&M and facilities that problem should get fixed. The Aggies have only been in the SEC 2 years, and again, has competed on average the last two years as well as any SEC team not named Alabama. The Aggies long term in the SEC will be fine and they will win the SEC sometime in the next few years.

A strange concept? How one does in the Conference is a strange metric for saying how competitive IN THE CONFERENCE a team is?

So seats, recruits, and money, will do more for you on the field than a Heisman Trophy winner?

Yes, very much so. Defense wins championships. Facilities help get you recruits. Recruits get you a good defense.

The Aggies do not need a Heisman Trophy QB to win the SEC, they need a really good defense.

Your sadly mistaken on everything required for a good defense. Ohio State lands many four star recruits on defense and sends a lot of guys to the NFL. Does that mean Ohio State has an SEC style defense? No.

A good defense requires:
1. A defensive minded coach.
2. Strong players with speed.
3. Confidence.
4. Tradition.

Texas arguably has better defensive recruits than every team in the SEC except Alabama. Do you think if Texas and LSU played right now Texas would have a better defense? No.

A&M still has the Big12 type of mindset which puts the better athletes on offense. That's the difference between the SEC and just about everybody else. Your defense is almost always more athletic.

(12-01-2013 12:23 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  A&M still has the Big12 type of mindset which puts the better athletes on offense.

Like who? Which athletes have they put on offense that would be better suited on defense?

(12-01-2013 12:21 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 12:03 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:41 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:03 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Dude, get a clue why don't you?

People said they wouldn't compete in the SEC. Well, they had a Heisman trophy winner and finished 3rd in their division one year and then worse the next year.

You aren't even on point.

Talk about asinine!

You have a strange concept of what competing means. They have competed quite well. As for Manziel, losing him will be huge, but again, they are getting the #1 QB in the country next year. Plus, with only 18 2014 recruits they are the #3 in team recruiting with an average star rating of 3.71. Do you think they would be doing that well if they had not joined the SEC? Do you think they cannot compete with that kind of talent? Or almost a 110,000 seat stadium?

A&M's problem has been defense. With the kind of talent A&M and facilities that problem should get fixed. The Aggies have only been in the SEC 2 years, and again, has competed on average the last two years as well as any SEC team not named Alabama. The Aggies long term in the SEC will be fine and they will win the SEC sometime in the next few years.

A strange concept? How one does in the Conference is a strange metric for saying how competitive IN THE CONFERENCE a team is?

So seats, recruits, and money, will do more for you on the field than a Heisman Trophy winner?

Yes, very much so. Defense wins championships. Facilities help get you recruits. Recruits get you a good defense.

The Aggies do not need a Heisman Trophy QB to win the SEC, they need a really good defense.

Your sadly mistaken on everything required for a good defense. Ohio State lands many four star recruits on defense and sends a lot of guys to the NFL. Does that mean Ohio State has an SEC style defense? No.

A good defense requires:
1. A defensive minded coach.
2. Strong players with speed.
3. Confidence.
4. Tradition.

Texas arguably has better defensive recruits than every team in the SEC except Alabama. Do you think if Texas and LSU played right now Texas would have a better defense? No.

Where did I say I listed "everything required for a good defense"?
Oh, that's right, I didn't.

You Aggie bashers are something else. We can revisit this thread in a few years and see how A&M fares.

When South Carolina joined the SEC they went 1-10 their first year. In that context the anti-Aggie posts here a silly after only year two.

(11-30-2013 11:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 11:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  TAMU might be having buyer's remorse on that phat extension for Sumlin right about now.

They faded to 4-4 in the SEC this year even with Manziel. How do they expect to do better without him? And if that's as far as they're gonna go, then they will be waaaaaaaay overpaying Sumlin.

4-4 looks bad until you look at who the four losses were.

7 point loss to 11-1 Alabama, who will finish in the Top 10

4 point loss to 11-1 Auburn, who will finish in the Top 10

7 point loss to 11-1 Missouri, who will finish in the Top 10

The only bad loss of the four was 24 to a 9 win LSU, who will likely finish in the Top 15.

If A&M wins their bowl they will finish with 9 wins and in the Top 20. Hell of a down year.

The offense is liable to take a step back losing Johnny Football, but the defense is going to get better since out of 29 slots on the defensive depth chart they have freshmen and sophomores manning 16 positions, including 11 true freshmen. They only have to replace four seniors on that side of the ball as well, so they are going to have experienced depth at every position, unlike this year. I don't look for the Aggies to drop off the face of the earth like some of you.

Good post, Kaplony. TAMU has lost to the current #3, #4, and #5 teams in the nation, and some would contest that Auburn should be #2. The other loss came to one of the few teams that could beat Alabama, Auburn, or Missouri on any given week; they just happened to play to their potential against TAMU.

In terms of talent, the SEC could fill out half of the top 15 in recent years. Just because you are the 6th or 7th best team in the SEC doesn't mean you are underachieving; you are probably still a top 15 type team. The SEC has some real stinkers (my team included), but the top half is really solid, just like the PAC this year.

Lot of emphasis on who the aggie lost to, let's examine who they beat, shall we?

Rice
Sam Houston
SMU
Arkansas
Ole miss
Vandy
UTEP
Miss St

Not a single ranked team, and Ole Miss nearly beat the aggie.

(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)bevotex Wrote:  Lot of emphasis on who the aggie lost to, let's examine who they beat, shall we?

Rice - good 9-3 team
Sam Houston - FCS
SMU - decent AAC program on a down year
Arkansas - trainwreck
Ole miss - solid SEC program, good team
Vandy - rising SEC program, good team
UTEP - worst team in C-USA West
Miss St - competitive SEC squad that just barely clawed its way to a bowl

Not a single ranked team, and Ole Miss nearly beat the aggie.

Rice, Ole Miss, and Vanderbilt are all good wins. SMU and Miss St. are in the "meh" category. Arkansas are a fallen program that will be better. SHSU and UTEP were cannon fodder.

Texas A&M failed to play good defense this year. That's why they lack a "signature win" that ties the whole body of work together.

(11-30-2013 10:57 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 10:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Yea, I think he will come to regret that.

With no Manziel next year, 4-8.

I will not predict next year's record for any team, especially after the year my beloved Bulldawgs have suffered through, but I seriously doubt it?

Have you seen A&M's recruiting the last two years? The Aggies got the number 1 qb in the country this year, Kyle Allen, the only 5 star quarterback in the country as rated by Rivals.

This shows the strength of the SEC. Of course, many on here will not want to acknowledge it.

How often does a five star QB recruit actually turn into a Heisman? You almost cannot get better than what Manziel has done at QB this year unless you got a better offensive line.

All of the top SEC programs recruit at that level and so has Texas. Look where they are at right now.

I believe Garrett Gilbert was #1 rated in the country the year he came out. He is finally looking like a good QB the last half of his 6th year at SMU where he transferred after falling to #3 at Texas.

(12-01-2013 09:26 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  TAMU has lost to the current #3, #4, and #5 teams in the nation, and some would contest that Auburn should be #2. The other loss came to one of the few teams that could beat Alabama, Auburn, or Missouri on any given week; they just happened to play to their potential against TAMU.

In terms of talent, the SEC could fill out half of the top 15 in recent years. Just because you are the 6th or 7th best team in the SEC doesn't mean you are underachieving; you are probably still a top 15 type team. The SEC has some real stinkers (my team included), but the top half is really solid, just like the PAC this year.

OK, it's no disgrace to lose to those four teams, but it's no great achievement, either, when you lose to every quality team on your schedule and only beat the teams that you should always beat.

TAMU is going to be paying top dollar to Sumlin. For that money, he should be getting results like Saban or at least like Miles has gotten. But, as I said, they're overpaying because they're paying Les Miles money for Houston Nutt results.

(12-02-2013 01:08 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 12:48 PM)bevotex Wrote:  Lot of emphasis on who the aggie lost to, let's examine who they beat, shall we?

Rice - good 9-3 team
Sam Houston - FCS
SMU - decent AAC program on a down year
Arkansas - trainwreck
Ole miss - solid SEC program, good team
Vandy - rising SEC program, good team
UTEP - worst team in C-USA West
Miss St - competitive SEC squad that just barely clawed its way to a bowl

Not a single ranked team, and Ole Miss nearly beat the aggie.

Rice, Ole Miss, and Vanderbilt are all good wins. SMU and Miss St. are in the "meh" category. Arkansas are a fallen program that will be better. SHSU and UTEP were cannon fodder.

Texas A&M failed to play good defense this year. That's why they lack a "signature win" that ties the whole body of work together.

Looks to me, based on those teams, the aggie was the tallest midget.