I am not an X's and O's guy in the least. What I do know is there is no arguing with results. GaSou has the second highest winning percentage amongst all FBS and FCS programs since restarting football in the 80's. Call it gimmicky etc etc it does not matter at the end of the day when your are counting, wins, conference and national championships. Also, if all you need is time to prepare for it how come most of the FCS and SoCon could not figure it out after 30 years? At the college level I believe the 3O or its close relatives flex, wish, read option are all viable offenses. I also think for the short term being closer to the 3O than more pass happy spread is better for GaSou. Why in the world do we want to compete right away against 90% of the FBS for the same QB's, WR and humongous linemen? As far as the NFL who cares? The differences between the two levels is huge. You can pick any all time college team you want they would get blasted off the field by any NFL team. What doesn't work or is not being used by the NFL in no way means it can not work at the college level.

Everyone in college today uses the option, just not to the extent that GS does. Michigan scored their 1st two TD's using the option. Auburn uses a form of the 3-O. I've even seen NFL teams bust out the option play more often. I believe various forms of the 3-O are on the rise. GS is just totally reliant on it. I don't mind it and it does result in huge plays when executed correctly, but when a defense can stay disciplined and assignment football than it can be shut down.
GS fans only know winning under the 3-O, when we went to a pro-style or more pass happy offense it led to our worst years ever. So until proven it can't work at the FBS level it will remain the bread and butter of GS football.
I'm not a fan of any particular offense, I just wanna win and prefer high powered offenses vs just having a great D and grinding out the win.

Next year we will see if a healthy GS option offense can hold it's own in the FBS. Good luck to everyone next year, except when you play the Eagles.

(11-30-2013 03:56 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 03:00 PM)The Black Flag Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 01:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 12:19 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 11:15 AM)GATA Wrote:  They know first hand

And...I love it when things come full circle.

The idea of the TO "negating talent" confuses me, too. My impression has been that if a defense remains disciplined, sufficient athleticism will hold it in check. Thus, high school: very viable, FCS: successful niche, FBS: tough sell, NFL: worthless.

the only answer I keep seeing is not true. So then what is the answer. Why is the 3O run by only one Power Conference school and zero NFL teams? That WAS the original question.

The 30 isn't run in the NFL because of the beating a QB takes. With small rosters and large contracts, NO NFL teams want their QB taking those kinds of hits. The top tier BCS teams are going to run whatever the NFL does so they can pitch to the kids that their scheme will help them get into the NFL. GSou will never produce a drop back passer QB with this scheme. But it gives a kid that will be player CB or WR and doens't have much of a shot at the NFL, a chance to play QB. I'm willing to bet our QB Jerrick McKinnon (#1) will be on a NFL roster as a RB this year. Outside of that, every other position still has a chance to make an NFL roster as the position they play on our college roster.

What the offense (just like all others) boils down to is execution. The scheme isn't some magic wand or inherently unstoppable. It's the execution at which we execute our scheme. We Keep It Simple Stupid. Everyone knows their assignments and blocks. We execute those and you or I could be running through the holes our guys open up.

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so the triple option is an offense where you have a large likelihood of crippling whatever poor dummy plays the qb position? and the nfl cares?

nice.

I don't think we've ever had a QB get injured to the point where they missed more than 1-2 games. But our QB will sometimes carry the ball 20+ times a game so, yes, they are more likely to get hurt. GT hasn't had any issues in the time Paul Johnson has been there either.

The 3O in the NFL would go the way of the Wildcat.

(12-04-2013 01:04 AM)panama Wrote:  The 3O in the NFL would go the way of the Wildcat.

Panama, it's no different than any other scheme in that it's all to do with speed of execution. If it can be executed faster than it can be defended, it can work at any level.

Now a head's up, I'm being facetious with this, but probably the best in game explanation of how to defend the 3O by a quite befuddled Bobby Bowden.

LMFAO. That about sums it up.

(12-04-2013 05:55 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:04 AM)panama Wrote:  The 3O in the NFL would go the way of the Wildcat.

Panama, it's no different than any other scheme in that it's all to do with speed of execution. If it can be executed faster than it can be defended, it can work at any level.

Now a head's up, I'm being facetious with this, but probably the best in game explanation of how to defend the 3O by a quite befuddled Bobby Bowden.

It is no different, correct. And we see how NFL DCs and their lightning fast defenses handle these "new" wrinkles. The Wildcat, the Read Option; doesn't matter because they always have the personnel groups to catch eventually up.

I think the point is (even if it won't work in the NFL) that any offense, when executed properly with the right personnel, can be effective. GSU fans just a strange, but understandable, love for the TO. GaSt will develop it's own identity and will grow to love that. Basically I don't care what works at X college or at Y NFL team. As long as GS wins then I'm happy.

(12-04-2013 07:58 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I think the point is (even if it won't work in the NFL) that any offense, when executed properly with the right personnel, can be effective. GSU fans just a strange, but understandable, love for the TO. GaSt will develop it's own identity and will grow to love that. Basically I don't care what works at X college or at Y NFL team. As long as GS wins then I'm happy.

The comparisons to the NFL and college are a waste of time. The 3O and or its close relatives work fine in the FBS. If our "version" is not working within a couple of years I am sure our coaches will adapt and implement changes. The real proof will be about three years in when we have a full seasoned class of FBS recruits starting. Until then I am sure this board is going to be fun debating this. Like with GT every loss will be due to our gimmicky offense and every win will be because it is hard to prepare for that gimmicky offense.

I dont think its so much the idea of junking the option as much as the idea that maybe 0-5 passes a week will not work in a pass happy league

(12-04-2013 12:49 PM)panama Wrote:  I dont think its so much the idea of junking the option as much as the idea that maybe 0-5 passes a week will not work in a pass happy league

What does the fact SBC offenses are pass happy have to do with whether or not the triple option works? If anything it helps us as they don't see it often.

(11-26-2013 11:35 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Pounce... we have one of the most defensive fan bases in the country. If your statement isn't "GaSo is the best team in the country and the Triple Option is an amazing offense" then you are likely to see some sort of rebuttal.

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Too true. And I've never ever ever understood that segment of our fanbase and their desire to have others continually reinforce their sense of superiority -- or something like that.

It smacks of insecurity, weenus envy ... something.

(12-04-2013 05:55 AM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:04 AM)panama Wrote:  The 3O in the NFL would go the way of the Wildcat.

Panama, it's no different than any other scheme in that it's all to do with speed of execution. If it can be executed faster than it can be defended, it can work at any level.

Now a head's up, I'm being facetious with this, but probably the best in game explanation of how to defend the 3O by a quite befuddled Bobby Bowden.

That's awesome thanks.

(12-04-2013 12:49 PM)panama Wrote:  I dont think its so much the idea of junking the option as much as the idea that maybe 0-5 passes a week will not work in a pass happy league

What other teams are running offensively is irrelevant. If defenses are used to "pass happy" teams how is that going to hurt us? Either way it will be proven on the field one way or the other. I have been following this team since 2000 and just have rarely seen us getting shut down by any team FBS or not running the 3O. Certainly no more than any other teams offense gets shut down from time to time. Every time it does though folks just seem to make a bigger deal out of it because it is the low hanging fruit. I am just confused how trying to run the same offenses of the top 25 has benefited most G5 teams. Certainly has not helped in recruiting of top 25 appearances.

(12-04-2013 01:27 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(11-26-2013 11:35 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Pounce... we have one of the most defensive fan bases in the country. If your statement isn't "GaSo is the best team in the country and the Triple Option is an amazing offense" then you are likely to see some sort of rebuttal.

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Too true. And I've never ever ever understood that segment of our fanbase and their desire to have others continually reinforce their sense of superiority -- or something like that.

It smacks of insecurity, weenus envy ... something.

If it is so true please post the quotes. If we are "one of the most" then it should take you no time to come up with a ton of these type responses. Our fan base is no different from any other. When speaking about the FCS we have earned the right to say what the hell we want just like NDSU has now. When it comes to the FBS the majority of GaSou fans have been realistic and respectful.

Here is my proof on the GASOU message board which should be "worse" than over here.

http://www.gsufans.com/tsc/showthread.ph...ions/page2

Please show me the "superiority" mentality when the most optimistic prediction is 8-4 and most are predicting 6-6 and 7-5 for 2014. Not one post about dominating the Sun Belt or that our offense is going to be unstoppable, yet we are one of the "most defensive". You are just not going to get over this whole moving up thing are you?

Pathetic. For a team that does not "mean much" to you anymore you certainly seem to post a lot about them.

http://www.gsufans.com/tsc/showthread.ph...highlight=

BTW established Sun Belt posters. This guys name is scoobyblue, his opinion of the Sun Belt and posts against it are as worse as you will find on any message board in the country. It took me a few minutes to track down several. He is South Carolina fan first but for some reason extremely jaded about the move up and severely dislikes our "yankee" AD that pushed for the move up. Just wish he was brave enough to not only bash "his" team and fellow fans but the Sun Belt as he did on our board.

http://www.gsufans.com/tsc/showthread.ph...post471035

(12-03-2013 03:21 PM)Dusty Eagle Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 03:56 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(11-30-2013 03:00 PM)The Black Flag Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 01:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 12:19 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  And...I love it when things come full circle.

The idea of the TO "negating talent" confuses me, too. My impression has been that if a defense remains disciplined, sufficient athleticism will hold it in check. Thus, high school: very viable, FCS: successful niche, FBS: tough sell, NFL: worthless.

the only answer I keep seeing is not true. So then what is the answer. Why is the 3O run by only one Power Conference school and zero NFL teams? That WAS the original question.

The 30 isn't run in the NFL because of the beating a QB takes. With small rosters and large contracts, NO NFL teams want their QB taking those kinds of hits. The top tier BCS teams are going to run whatever the NFL does so they can pitch to the kids that their scheme will help them get into the NFL. GSou will never produce a drop back passer QB with this scheme. But it gives a kid that will be player CB or WR and doens't have much of a shot at the NFL, a chance to play QB. I'm willing to bet our QB Jerrick McKinnon (#1) will be on a NFL roster as a RB this year. Outside of that, every other position still has a chance to make an NFL roster as the position they play on our college roster.

What the offense (just like all others) boils down to is execution. The scheme isn't some magic wand or inherently unstoppable. It's the execution at which we execute our scheme. We Keep It Simple Stupid. Everyone knows their assignments and blocks. We execute those and you or I could be running through the holes our guys open up.

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so the triple option is an offense where you have a large likelihood of crippling whatever poor dummy plays the qb position? and the nfl cares?

nice.

I don't think we've ever had a QB get injured to the point where they missed more than 1-2 games. But our QB will sometimes carry the ball 20+ times a game so, yes, they are more likely to get hurt. GT hasn't had any issues in the time Paul Johnson has been there either.

I guess you must have forgotten about Nesbit getting hurt, really derailed GT's season that year. It was the year right after Jaybo transferred to Georgia Southern along with Coach Monken. PJ had lost his up and coming number 2 QB, the understudy who knew best how to run it if Nesbit got hurt and so had to play a guy with much less experience both in games and in practice.

(12-04-2013 12:49 PM)panama Wrote:  I dont think its so much the idea of junking the option as much as the idea that maybe 0-5 passes a week will not work in a pass happy league

Sure it will work. When those passes net an average of about 25 yards per reception, you will see what it is like. When we get back to averaging about 100 yards a game in the air and 300+ on the ground, it wont be pretty for the teams that surrender that kind of yardage.

Note: We didn't have zero passing yards against UF because we couldn't get any. We didn't need any! If we didn't need to pass against a pretty good SEC defense (Regardless of their offensive woes, their defense is still pretty highly regarded), do you think that we would need to pass against a GAST defense?

Also, as pointed out by other Eagle fans - Running this in a pass happy league will only make it more effective than trying to run it in a Belt that mostly ran a similar offense.

The theory is that it doesn't matter how good your offense is, if you never stop our offense - Then you can never get more than seven points ahead, other than with great clock management. I.E. - You manage the clock so that we run out of time on our last possession of the first half and you take a 7 point lead into half and then get the ball to start the second half and score going up by 14. - But your defense will make stops as will ours and there will be turnovers as with any offense. But when it comes to clock management, our style lends it self to controlling the clock via controlling the ground and often allows us to control the game.

Cant wait to see how it turns out. I honestly hope that GaSt can pull it all together and help make this a tough football conference.

Georgia Southern's offense should not be affected by the fact its a pass happy league. In fact, my guess is that it will be an advantage for them at least early on.

The adjustment will be defensively moving from a run heavy Southern Conference to a Spread Happy Sun Belt.

(12-05-2013 01:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Georgia Southern's offense should not be affected by the fact its a pass happy league. In fact, my guess is that it will be an advantage for them at least early on.

The adjustment will be defensively moving from a run heavy Southern Conference to a Spread Happy Sun Belt.

It will also be an adjustment for our defense to be facing bigger, stronger linemen. Faster, Taller (in some cases) receivers and QB's that aren't going to miss wide open receivers as often as some SoCon QB's. I feel like we are going to be able to score with our offense. I just hope the Defense can hold up their end of the stick for weeks on end in the new league.

There is that stupid "defenses are fast now" argument. Every time I hear that I cringe. Speed has nothing to do with stopping the triple option.