Don't mention Girl Scouts. The dirty old men on this board are going to read the manifesto to see how it's mentioned.

(11-27-2013 03:40 PM)Michael James Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 03:36 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 03:25 PM)7 Wrote:  Yeah, no way I'm reading all that.

I'll save you the trouble: NIU stinks and Fresno is God's gift to college football. Oh yeah, and they play football in the mountains at 7,000 ft., so they know frigid cold and thin air. They also had to play in Hawaii, so they know how to play under stressful conditions. I think they've been in that thin air way too long.

You forgot to mention all of the scary defense that they have played, and we haven't seen even the girl scouts.

They do have some mighty powerful weed in the Fresno area. Must be a good business.

Is it legal there already?

(11-27-2013 03:25 PM)7 Wrote:  Yeah, no way I'm reading all that.

I gave up and scrolled down to find your response.

(11-27-2013 03:22 PM)5150dogfan Wrote:  You guys crack me up, Fresno plays at 7500 ft. in Wyoming, Reno Nevada, and two different teams in Colorado....And you think we dont understand playing in the Cold....LOL....How about altitude on top of it???? Does NIU play at 7000+ ft or have to fly to the islands????......

As far as Lynch, he is one hell of a player, and that was on hell of a feat last night, but I think the push back you are seeing from Fresnofans might be because NIU has faced no solid rushing D...

Fresno has played the #11 #26 #43 and will see the #15 best rushing D's in the nation this year...

Lets see who NIU has faced, well #20 in Iowa, then the next best is Akron at #58....LOL......even in your CCG you will only see the #35 at best and more then likely the #47 ranked rush D in the nation......

Take a look at TFL's, a direct reflection on the front 7...the highest ranked team NIU has faced is #45......What......Fresno is #3 in the Nation in TFL's......

Fresno has played the #4, #33, and #36, ranked TFL teams and #45 for that matter as Wyoming is tied for #45 ......
So yes we're impressed with Lynch but also realise Keeton, Smith, Gerardo, etc. could all rack up tons and tons of stats against those D's......

Look at the O's, just for a quick stat the MWC has 4 TOP 25 passing O's (#2 #9 #18 #21) and 2 top 11 rushing O's (#5 and #11)....

The MAC has 2 top 25 rushing attacks (#6 NIU and #17) and 1 (#18) passing O.....

So who has NIU really played......Yeah you beat Iowa good win (lots of TO'S), and I think going into the Rutgers game first game of the season, they had a new OC, we had no film and got cought in the wrong scheme...but that was a good win.....within two weeks of us playing RU they had lost 7 starters including thier #1 RB, center, a couple of O linemen, a LB not sure on who the others were....But RU is not even close to the same team today as we saw....NIU and Fresno would crush the RU team showing up to play today....

Look Fresno and NIU are both in the same boat against the Big Boys.....What has Fresno fans so fired up is the computers, but lets forget Fresno for a second.....

Heres one question I have for you.....Can you honestly sit here and tell me NIU is a BETTER, STRONGER, team then:

Oregon
Michigan State
Clemson
South Carolina
Baylor
Stanford
and
Okey State....

According to the computer rankings NIU is better then all these schools....

If your being honest there is no way NIU is stronger then these teams, yes you could hang with a couple of them but if they play there best game and NIU plays there best game.....well you see my point....Like I said forget Fresno, look at these other teams...

And I'll leave you with this, I'll be the first to say Fresno's has had some close games this year, a lot of that had to do with bad coaching calls,taking the foot off the gas......... but don't knock BSU or even SDSU at this point........I dont think you'll find many teams that would rather go face BSU or Rocky Long's SDSU, then ANY team in the MAC(other then NIU).....Keep in mind BSU lost thier starting QB after we played them.....Are they great no, but imho could give any top 15-30 team one hell of a game....

Illogical argument if you are going to tell me weather is a factor week in and week out for Fresno. Perhaps the conf, but NOT Fresno.

You play 1/2 your leagu games at home. 2 other teams in your division are in CA, one in Hawaii (and complain about what, a 4 hr flight every other year?) Las Vegas and Nevada. You only play at the last 2 every other yr. As for the other division, you on play away at one of those teams every yr?

NIU, EVERY team in MAC plays in cold weather in the Midwest, NY snowbelt or East Coast for a month. You really want to figure out the probability of bad weather week in and week out vs. probability of bad weather? And the other div is what all but one high altitidue team?

And THAT effect a game, not sun, not altitude. Ball may go farther, players a little winded but that is minimal condition wise.
Playing in islands. That's a good one.

(11-27-2013 04:03 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 03:22 PM)5150dogfan Wrote:  You guys crack me up, Fresno plays at 7500 ft. in Wyoming, Reno Nevada, and two different teams in Colorado....And you think we dont understand playing in the Cold....LOL....How about altitude on top of it???? Does NIU play at 7000+ ft or have to fly to the islands????......

As far as Lynch, he is one hell of a player, and that was on hell of a feat last night, but I think the push back you are seeing from Fresnofans might be because NIU has faced no solid rushing D...

Fresno has played the #11 #26 #43 and will see the #15 best rushing D's in the nation this year...

Lets see who NIU has faced, well #20 in Iowa, then the next best is Akron at #58....LOL......even in your CCG you will only see the #35 at best and more then likely the #47 ranked rush D in the nation......

Take a look at TFL's, a direct reflection on the front 7...the highest ranked team NIU has faced is #45......What......Fresno is #3 in the Nation in TFL's......

Fresno has played the #4, #33, and #36, ranked TFL teams and #45 for that matter as Wyoming is tied for #45 ......
So yes we're impressed with Lynch but also realise Keeton, Smith, Gerardo, etc. could all rack up tons and tons of stats against those D's......

Look at the O's, just for a quick stat the MWC has 4 TOP 25 passing O's (#2 #9 #18 #21) and 2 top 11 rushing O's (#5 and #11)....

The MAC has 2 top 25 rushing attacks (#6 NIU and #17) and 1 (#18) passing O.....

So who has NIU really played......Yeah you beat Iowa good win (lots of TO'S), and I think going into the Rutgers game first game of the season, they had a new OC, we had no film and got cought in the wrong scheme...but that was a good win.....within two weeks of us playing RU they had lost 7 starters including thier #1 RB, center, a couple of O linemen, a LB not sure on who the others were....But RU is not even close to the same team today as we saw....NIU and Fresno would crush the RU team showing up to play today....

Look Fresno and NIU are both in the same boat against the Big Boys.....What has Fresno fans so fired up is the computers, but lets forget Fresno for a second.....

Heres one question I have for you.....Can you honestly sit here and tell me NIU is a BETTER, STRONGER, team then:

Oregon
Michigan State
Clemson
South Carolina
Baylor
Stanford
and
Okey State....

According to the computer rankings NIU is better then all these schools....

If your being honest there is no way NIU is stronger then these teams, yes you could hang with a couple of them but if they play there best game and NIU plays there best game.....well you see my point....Like I said forget Fresno, look at these other teams...

And I'll leave you with this, I'll be the first to say Fresno's has had some close games this year, a lot of that had to do with bad coaching calls,taking the foot off the gas......... but don't knock BSU or even SDSU at this point........I dont think you'll find many teams that would rather go face BSU or Rocky Long's SDSU, then ANY team in the MAC(other then NIU).....Keep in mind BSU lost thier starting QB after we played them.....Are they great no, but imho could give any top 15-30 team one hell of a game....

Illogical argument if you are going to tell me weather is a factor week in and week out for Fresno. Perhaps the conf, but NOT Fresno.

You play 1/2 your leagu games at home. 2 other teams in your division are in CA, one in Hawaii (and complain about what, a 4 hr flight every other year?) Las Vegas and Nevada. You only play at the last 2 every other yr. As for the other division, you on play away at one of those teams every yr?

NIU, EVERY team in MAC plays in cold weather in the Midwest, NY snowbelt or East Coast for a month. You really want to figure out the probability of bad weather week in and week out vs. probability of bad weather? And the other div is what all but one high altitidue team?

And THAT effect a game, not sun, not altitude. Ball may go farther, players a little winded but that is minimal condition wise.
Playing in islands. That's a good one.

Let them come to play us in 18 degrees with a 2-degree wind chill. They will become a great running team - off the field, into the locker room, and onto a plane back to warm California.

I'm tired of hearing how Boise would be good if they just had Southwick and "would give any top 15-30 team a hell of a game." The same Southwick who led them to a 42-6 loss vs Washington? Although to be fair, I don't think Washington is top 30.

(11-27-2013 04:08 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 04:03 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 03:22 PM)5150dogfan Wrote:  You guys crack me up, Fresno plays at 7500 ft. in Wyoming, Reno Nevada, and two different teams in Colorado....And you think we dont understand playing in the Cold....LOL....How about altitude on top of it???? Does NIU play at 7000+ ft or have to fly to the islands????......

As far as Lynch, he is one hell of a player, and that was on hell of a feat last night, but I think the push back you are seeing from Fresnofans might be because NIU has faced no solid rushing D...

Fresno has played the #11 #26 #43 and will see the #15 best rushing D's in the nation this year...

Lets see who NIU has faced, well #20 in Iowa, then the next best is Akron at #58....LOL......even in your CCG you will only see the #35 at best and more then likely the #47 ranked rush D in the nation......

Take a look at TFL's, a direct reflection on the front 7...the highest ranked team NIU has faced is #45......What......Fresno is #3 in the Nation in TFL's......

Fresno has played the #4, #33, and #36, ranked TFL teams and #45 for that matter as Wyoming is tied for #45 ......
So yes we're impressed with Lynch but also realise Keeton, Smith, Gerardo, etc. could all rack up tons and tons of stats against those D's......

Look at the O's, just for a quick stat the MWC has 4 TOP 25 passing O's (#2 #9 #18 #21) and 2 top 11 rushing O's (#5 and #11)....

The MAC has 2 top 25 rushing attacks (#6 NIU and #17) and 1 (#18) passing O.....

So who has NIU really played......Yeah you beat Iowa good win (lots of TO'S), and I think going into the Rutgers game first game of the season, they had a new OC, we had no film and got cought in the wrong scheme...but that was a good win.....within two weeks of us playing RU they had lost 7 starters including thier #1 RB, center, a couple of O linemen, a LB not sure on who the others were....But RU is not even close to the same team today as we saw....NIU and Fresno would crush the RU team showing up to play today....

Look Fresno and NIU are both in the same boat against the Big Boys.....What has Fresno fans so fired up is the computers, but lets forget Fresno for a second.....

Heres one question I have for you.....Can you honestly sit here and tell me NIU is a BETTER, STRONGER, team then:

Oregon
Michigan State
Clemson
South Carolina
Baylor
Stanford
and
Okey State....

According to the computer rankings NIU is better then all these schools....

If your being honest there is no way NIU is stronger then these teams, yes you could hang with a couple of them but if they play there best game and NIU plays there best game.....well you see my point....Like I said forget Fresno, look at these other teams...

And I'll leave you with this, I'll be the first to say Fresno's has had some close games this year, a lot of that had to do with bad coaching calls,taking the foot off the gas......... but don't knock BSU or even SDSU at this point........I dont think you'll find many teams that would rather go face BSU or Rocky Long's SDSU, then ANY team in the MAC(other then NIU).....Keep in mind BSU lost thier starting QB after we played them.....Are they great no, but imho could give any top 15-30 team one hell of a game....

Illogical argument if you are going to tell me weather is a factor week in and week out for Fresno. Perhaps the conf, but NOT Fresno.

You play 1/2 your leagu games at home. 2 other teams in your division are in CA, one in Hawaii (and complain about what, a 4 hr flight every other year?) Las Vegas and Nevada. You only play at the last 2 every other yr. As for the other division, you on play away at one of those teams every yr?

NIU, EVERY team in MAC plays in cold weather in the Midwest, NY snowbelt or East Coast for a month. You really want to figure out the probability of bad weather week in and week out vs. probability of bad weather? And the other div is what all but one high altitidue team?

And THAT effect a game, not sun, not altitude. Ball may go farther, players a little winded but that is minimal condition wise.
Playing in islands. That's a good one.

Let them come to play us in 18 degrees with a 2-degree wind chill. They will become a great running team - off the field, into the locker room, and onto a plane back to warm California.

After the azz kicking we deliver...

(11-27-2013 04:17 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm tired of hearing how Boise would be good if they just had Southwick and "would give any top 15-30 team a hell of a game." The same Southwick who led them to a 42-6 loss vs Washington? Although to be fair, I don't think Washington is top 30.

Your are correct..the logic they used is flawed and stupid...NIU would be better with Peyton Manning at QB..WMU would be better if they had Jordan Lynch..on and on and on

According to a friend in Milwaukee. A radio announcer on 920 am said he received several tweets from angry Fresno State fan regarding NIU passing them in the BCS poles. Dave Moyer spent from 11 am to 2pm discussing the issue and spoke with Rod Carey.
It seems that Fresno State fans are very active and aggressive in tweeting people of influence in the media.
It is about time that NIU fans followed their example.
Marketing works. Apathy does not.

(11-27-2013 06:42 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  It is about time that NIU fans followed their example.

Do you mean this in retrospect? Because... Right now I'm quite happy about ESPN's coverage of the Huskies.

I definitely agree that if they ***** about the Computer Polls, then we should ***** about the Human polls. Their argument: The Human eye can SEE that Fresno State is the better team. They provide no evidence, and base their arguments off of bias bull****.

If I were a Fresno fan, I would put up a fight too, but I would also know that I had no grounds in which to fight on. I don't see how they can think they are the better team. The huskies have been able to prove themselves against tougher teams. I'm not saying Fresno wouldn't be able to if given the chance, but they just HAVEN'T. Plain and simple. All Fresno State has to its name right now is a defeat against a BAD Boise team (in comparison to the past) and an almost loss to SDSU team that LOST to EIU.

(11-27-2013 06:42 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  According to a friend in Milwaukee. A radio announcer on 920 am said he received several tweets from angry Fresno State fan regarding NIU passing them in the BCS poles. Dave Moyer spent from 11 am to 2pm discussing the issue and spoke with Rod Carey.
It seems that Fresno State fans are very active and aggressive in tweeting people of influence in the media.
It is about time that NIU fans followed their example.
Marketing works. Apathy does not.

it seems to me that they already have the biased support of the human vote. I guess the gap could be wider I suppose. Maybe the goal is we do not deserve to be ranked and Fresno is Top 10? How much human gap do they want?

(11-27-2013 06:56 PM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 06:42 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  According to a friend in Milwaukee. A radio announcer on 920 am said he received several tweets from angry Fresno State fan regarding NIU passing them in the BCS poles. Dave Moyer spent from 11 am to 2pm discussing the issue and spoke with Rod Carey.
It seems that Fresno State fans are very active and aggressive in tweeting people of influence in the media.
It is about time that NIU fans followed their example.
Marketing works. Apathy does not.

it seems to me that they already have the biased support of the human vote. I guess the gap could be wider I suppose. Maybe the goal is we do not deserve to be ranked and Fresno is Top 10? How much human gap do they want?

If we tweet the pollsters telling them that the IOwa, EIU, BSU and Toledo wins were not over garbage teams and explain why, we could reduce the human poll gap very significantly. The bottom line is Fresno State fans act allot more aggressively then we do and it has payed off very well.
It is never too late to respond.
Someone start tweeting the media people, Harris, AP and coaches.
If you post the addresses many NIU fans will follow suite.

(11-27-2013 03:22 PM)5150dogfan Wrote:  You guys crack me up, Fresno plays at 7500 ft. in Wyoming, Reno Nevada, and two different teams in Colorado....And you think we dont understand playing in the Cold....LOL....How about altitude on top of it???? Does NIU play at 7000+ ft or have to fly to the islands????......

As far as Lynch, he is one hell of a player, and that was on hell of a feat last night, but I think the push back you are seeing from Fresnofans might be because NIU has faced no solid rushing D...

Fresno has played the #11 #26 #43 and will see the #15 best rushing D's in the nation this year...

Lets see who NIU has faced, well #20 in Iowa, then the next best is Akron at #58....LOL......even in your CCG you will only see the #35 at best and more then likely the #47 ranked rush D in the nation......

Take a look at TFL's, a direct reflection on the front 7...the highest ranked team NIU has faced is #45......What......Fresno is #3 in the Nation in TFL's......

Fresno has played the #4, #33, and #36, ranked TFL teams and #45 for that matter as Wyoming is tied for #45 ......
So yes we're impressed with Lynch but also realise Keeton, Smith, Gerardo, etc. could all rack up tons and tons of stats against those D's......

Look at the O's, just for a quick stat the MWC has 4 TOP 25 passing O's (#2 #9 #18 #21) and 2 top 11 rushing O's (#5 and #11)....

The MAC has 2 top 25 rushing attacks (#6 NIU and #17) and 1 (#18) passing O.....

So who has NIU really played......Yeah you beat Iowa good win (lots of TO'S), and I think going into the Rutgers game first game of the season, they had a new OC, we had no film and got cought in the wrong scheme...but that was a good win.....within two weeks of us playing RU they had lost 7 starters including thier #1 RB, center, a couple of O linemen, a LB not sure on who the others were....But RU is not even close to the same team today as we saw....NIU and Fresno would crush the RU team showing up to play today....

Look Fresno and NIU are both in the same boat against the Big Boys.....What has Fresno fans so fired up is the computers, but lets forget Fresno for a second.....

Heres one question I have for you.....Can you honestly sit here and tell me NIU is a BETTER, STRONGER, team then:

Oregon
Michigan State
Clemson
South Carolina
Baylor
Stanford
and
Okey State....

According to the computer rankings NIU is better then all these schools....

If your being honest there is no way NIU is stronger then these teams, yes you could hang with a couple of them but if they play there best game and NIU plays there best game.....well you see my point....Like I said forget Fresno, look at these other teams...

And I'll leave you with this, I'll be the first to say Fresno's has had some close games this year, a lot of that had to do with bad coaching calls,taking the foot off the gas......... but don't knock BSU or even SDSU at this point........I dont think you'll find many teams that would rather go face BSU or Rocky Long's SDSU, then ANY team in the MAC(other then NIU).....Keep in mind BSU lost thier starting QB after we played them.....Are they great no, but imho could give any top 15-30 team one hell of a game....

I didn't read all of this either but NIU didn't have any film on Idaho's read option, as they didn't do that the first 2 games.

(11-27-2013 12:26 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  If my team had 2 OT wins against bad teams with a winning record and a 1 point win over 7-4 Boise State whose only ranked loss came from Fresno State , a 17 point win over Nevada 6-5, and made my bones by thrashing 6 teams with a losing record I would not be laughing at an 12-0 team with 4 wins against better teams then they have played.
Clearly Fresno State does not deserve to be several positions ahead of NIU in the human poles.

I'm not really going to debate who belongs where. But your spin ignores a few points that are not in your favor.

1. You folks have had a fine season, but 5 of your 12 wins – almost 42% of them – have come against schools that have won 2 or fewer games. It is a whole lot easier to go undefeated when 42% of your games are gimmes. That is an unheard of resume for a team making a BCS run and it is hard to understand how the computers can rank you so highly with such a weak schedule.

2. We would most likely be ahead of you folks in the computer rankings but for the fact that our SOS was hurt by the “flood out” of the Colorado game. That was a very winnable game – we won by roughly 50 last year. Computers don’t take flood-related cancellations into consideration but human voters can and should. We should not be denied a BCS opportunity because of an act of God. (That may account for some of the discrepancy between the computers and the humans.)

3. We started slowly and had some close games, but this is a very much improved team. Our defense has allowed less than half the points per game in our last six games that we allowed in the first four. Against Wyoming two weeks ago, we held a team that averages almost 500 yards of offense a game to less than 300 yards – 79 of which came on one play. New Mexico entered last week as the #5 rushing team in the country with well over 300 yards per game. But against Fresno, they were held to 168 yards – 80 of which came on one play after the starters were long gone.

4. Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you trailed more games in the 4th quarter than we have?

5. You folks are quick to point out that you have more "quality wins" than we do. But that calculation is essentially a computer calculation as to SOS -- and you lead in the computers so it is only reasonable for you to have more quality wins as measured by those computers. We lead with the human voters, however, and if you asked them who had the most quality wins, it would be just as reasonable for them to say that we did.

This argument is still silly. You folks have a fine program and so do we. To have to choose between them is a bit of an injustice to both.

Yoda out...



.

Love this....

Quote:"QBs don't matter, NIU would be just as good without Lynch right?


Anyhow, I  just got confirmation from an NIU alum that not only is Carr better than Lynch, but Fresno State would have no problem beating NIU. Not that any of us here would disagree, but it is nice hearing it from one of the dozens of NIU fans.

This week Lynch complete 5 of 17 passes.
Carr had 7 TDs"

(11-27-2013 07:55 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 12:26 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  If my team had 2 OT wins against bad teams with a winning record and a 1 point win over 7-4 Boise State whose only ranked loss came from Fresno State , a 17 point win over Nevada 6-5, and made my bones by thrashing 6 teams with a losing record I would not be laughing at an 12-0 team with 4 wins against better teams then they have played.
Clearly Fresno State does not deserve to be several positions ahead of NIU in the human poles.

2.We should not be denied a BCS opportunity because of an act of God.

Or perhaps you should. If God doesn't want you in the BCS, then why are you still trying?

I still find this "who has more fans" thing amusing. I mean, last I checked, we both have a small fan base. I mean, ours is smaller, but I mean...does anyone really win that fight?

*sigh* I wonder about people.

I can't stomach any more of the Fresno State forum. These eye liner wearing, delusional and misguided misfits have really lost their $hit.

Chi-City Huskie out.....

(11-27-2013 08:12 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 07:55 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 12:26 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  If my team had 2 OT wins against bad teams with a winning record and a 1 point win over 7-4 Boise State whose only ranked loss came from Fresno State , a 17 point win over Nevada 6-5, and made my bones by thrashing 6 teams with a losing record I would not be laughing at an 12-0 team with 4 wins against better teams then they have played.
Clearly Fresno State does not deserve to be several positions ahead of NIU in the human poles.

2.We should not be denied a BCS opportunity because of an act of God.

Or perhaps you should. If God doesn't want you in the BCS, then why are you still trying?

Those schools could have found a way to make that game up somehow if they wanted. Fresno didn't think they needed at the time, maybe they are starting to switch that thinking.