well, if the big east wants to stay together, i like the concept of adding St.Louis & Memphis. My take is either the big east needs a complete split or a 2 team expansion and than a division set up. I think part of the problem is that there are so many options that nothing happens but i really don't like the current format.

BJUnklFkr Wrote:What does everyone think of Yoda's idea a while back of Fresno State for football only?

It's not going to happen, but I still think it was a much better idea than most of you give it credit for being.

~ One game every other year in the west wouldn't hurt you from a travel standpoint. Indeed, you'd have the opportunity to reconnect with some of your alumni that don't often get a chance to see you.

~ Fresno would bring a new timeslot for television -- although you might prefer to require that their home conference games be played in the afternoon so that your teams and fans would still be awake when the game ended. In any event, they bring entirely new television sets and exposure in a new region.

~ You'd distance yourselves from the MWC from a power rating standpoint while concurrenlty robbing them of the ability to improve themselves by adding Fresno. It would finally shut them up about how they were your superiors and would be a nice nee-ner, nee-ner to the MWC for both the Big East and for Fresno State.

~ Based on Sagarin ratings, Fresno State would enter the conference as one of the top 3 or 4 schools in it, with attendance that is also among the top 3 or 4. Nobody in the east even comes close in terms of what they bring to the conference on a football only basis -- okay, except for Notre Dame.

~ You'd add a team that is considerably stronger than are any of the eastern expansion candidates. With Fresno's increased ability to recruit as a BCS conference member, you'd hurt both the MWC and the PAC 10 -- and unlike an eastern expansion candidate, they wouldn't take a single recruit that you might have had yourselves.

~ It would be expensive for us but, frankly, no worse than flying to Hawaii or worse, to LA Tech and then driving for two hours. Or as members of a MWC, flying to Colorado and then driving to Wyoming in a snowstorm. Besides, we'd be much better off in the Big East in football and the Big West in all other sports than in the MWC in all sports. The Big West is better than the MWC in most sports and the travel would be by bus instead of by plane anyway, saving us a ton of money. And best of all, we wouldn't have to play football games at the 7000 feet elevation mark.

I know that this is a dead issue but I still think it is a really good idea. A win-win for both the conference and the school. It's only problem with the idea is that, for MT and others who think inside the box, (or who at lease insist on being in the same room as the box), it is patently absurd on its face. Pitty for both of us...

Yoda out...

bluesox Wrote:well, if the big east wants to stay together, i like the concept of adding St.Louis & Memphis.

Memphis has been a favorite all along. St Louis, however, has not.

BJUnklFkr Wrote:St. Louis? They've proven how bad they are at basketball. They are good at injuring national POY's though.

And I reiterate... who gives a crap if a school is Catholic or not? The private university profile of the BE flew out the window long ago.

Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Every non-football school in this conference is a Catholic school. Do you not think there is a reason for that?

Schools in a conference need to have similar compositions and purposes or a longstanding history together.

People keep complaining about hybrids. Well eight Catholic schools and one state school is an awful hybrid.

omnicarrier Wrote:Yep. Right now both sides need each other, but the bb schools NEED the football schools way more than football schools NEED the bb schools. It would be unfair to the bb schools to say that their market presences haven't helped the football schools but the marquee names are the football schools and its the football schools that draw the attendance at bb schools games. It's not as though Nova-G'Town is drawing the attendance at either school that playing SU, UConn, UL, etc., does.

The 3 bb schools fighting the hardest to keep this current conglomeration together are ND, Nova, and G'Town. Fortunately for the bb schools, no attractive expansion candidate exists at this time.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

I'm responding to people suggesting going to 18 as a solution.

The mission of the Big East was basketball.

When they expanded to include football, we went to 13 members. And for years, we have 2 divisions BE7 and BE6. Schools that UConn used to play every year home and home for some year we don't see any more and Syracuse was one of them. Even with 13 teams we don't sent that many teams in NCCA tournament before the expansion. Finally we bring in VT for full membership but that didn't stabilize the conference, did it?

When people suggested going to 18, when anything over 12 is too big for basketball. They suggesting to me that we can't do without basketball schools. They forget why we have a conference. It is simply too big beyond 12. The conference is no longer served it mission. It's broken. You can't fix it by making it worst. The solution that is best for everyone is forming conferences that serve the need of every ALL members. We don't NEED basketball schools.

MU88 Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:Yep. Right now both sides need each other, but the bb schools NEED the football schools way more than football schools NEED the bb schools. It would be unfair to the bb schools to say that their market presences haven't helped the football schools but the marquee names are the football schools and its the football schools that draw the attendance at bb schools games. It's not as though Nova-G'Town is drawing the attendance at either school that playing SU, UConn, UL, etc., does.

The 3 bb schools fighting the hardest to keep this current conglomeration together are ND, Nova, and G'Town. Fortunately for the bb schools, no attractive expansion candidate exists at this time.

Cheers,
Neil

I agree that in order to be considered high major programs, it is more important for the bball schools that the BE stay together. However, I am not sure that bball schools need the football schools as much as you think. If the football schools left, the basketball schools will get a nice tv contract. Smaller, yes, but nice.

Didn't say they wouldn't get a 'nice' contract, but they lose most of the major TV and fan draws. I suspect from a Marquette fan's point of view, this may be harder to grasp since I'd imagine that ND and DePaul are the biggest draws for the Golden Eagles due to your long-standing rivalries with these teams. Although after those 2, I suspect Louisville and Cincinnati are the next two. UConn, Pitt, Nova and Syracuse will be added as biggest draws in a few years of conference play (assuming no split for a decade).

For Villanova and Georgetown, ND is their 3rd or 4th biggest draw after the likes of Syracuse, Connecticut, and West Virginia/Pittsburgh. The additions of Louisville and Cincinnati will push the likes of St. John's, Seton Hall, etc., even further down that list.

In what was Nova's best year in terms of season standings, the record for largest crowds for college basketball in Philly history was broken twice - first when Syracuse played them in the third week of January (20581), and again when UConn went in three weeks later (20859). Louisville on a Monday night drew 19448.

Quote:Given the smaller budgets and the lack of football, they would survive and could even thrive. How much do the basketball schools get from the BE? $2-$3 million per school, tops? MU has a $21 million budget. They received aound $1 million from CUSA. They could survive.

Again, this isn't about survival. America East teams 'survive'. It's about being considered 'elite' vs. being considered 'A-10 level'. Which is a big difference in terms of recruiting.

And while the contract may be good enough to generate $1 million a year per school - what really makes money for the teams are ticket revenues. Something Nova and the Hoyas would lose with a split and the additions of Marquette and DePaul are not going to offset that loss.

Quote:However, with no bball schools, the exposure of the BE in a lot of media markets is going to drop. Milwaukee, Phily, NYC, and Chicago have a lot of tv sets. The BE regional football package was on in Milwaukee last year. That would never happen after the split. Notice the comments from MT that group contract is bigger than the 2 conferences would get if a split occurred.

Agreed. The sum of the parts in this instance is greater than the whole when it comes to TV contracts for basketball. But for the Big East football schools, that football TV contract isn't very dependent upon the bb schools. It's dependent upon the BE schools playing when ESPN wants to schedule them - Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday evening games - and how good the teams themselves perform.

Quote:The football schools have very tight budgets. A school like USF has a smaller budget than MU, and they offer football. How will they cope with a smaller check?

As you pointed out, USF survived in C-USA with about $1 million conference check before. The Big East one will be between 4-6 million before the new TV contracts even take effect.

Quote:As for who is fighting to keep the BE together, I think your logic is a little faulty. ND, MU, Georgetown and Villanova all have pretty good athletic departments. They will survive any split.

First, that statement isn't just from logic. ;-)

Second, because those schools have pretty good athletic departments, they are very concerned about the impact a split will have across the board in terms of their non-revenue generating sports - not just men's bb.


Prior to this year without the former C-USA schools-

The baseball draws - ND, Rutgers, BC, VT, St. John's and Pitt
The draws in women's bb - UConn, Rutgers, ND and BC
The draws in men's soccer - UConn, St. John's, ND, and BC
The draws in women's soccer - ND, UConn, West Virginia, Nova, and BC
The draws in softball - ND, UConn, BC, VT, and Seton Hall
The draws in field hockey - UConn, BC, SU, and Nova
The draws in women's lacrosse - G'Town, ND, SU, and RU
The draws in softball - UConn, ND, BC, and Seton Hall
The draws in volleyball - ND, Pitt, UConn, SU, Providence, Nova, and G'Town

See a pattern developing? It's basically, ND and perhaps one other bb school and then all football schools.

As for this year, it seemed as though virtually all of the non-revenue sports saw championships between ND and UL. So the Cards easily replaced what BC brought in terms of the olympic sports.

The Catholic League will be a BIG STEP BACK for the non-revenue generating sports for ND, Nova, and G'Town. And since they do pride themselves on these things, they indeed are fighting hard to keep this together. What's Marquette views on the non-revenue generating sports? Since the team is new to the league, I really don't know.

Quote:Can the same be said for the bball other schools? They are the schools with the most to lose if the football school left. How will PU maintain its budget after a split? How about SH or DePaul, a school with a $200 million debt.

Not very well. Again, reasons why ND, Nova, and G'Town are fearful of a split. Providence is bleeding $$$ in terms of athletics.

Quote:As for being large draws, it all matters on who is winning and name recognition. And though someone may be good now, you have to remember many fans are old, and a school like SJU has built up a lot of goodwill. BTW, UConn didn't sell out the Bradley Center. It was a pretty good crowd, but not a sellout. I believe Georgetown outdrew UConn in Milwuakee and ND was a sellout (so was Pitt, if fact). And before you complain about MU attendance, they did finish 3rd in the conference in attendance.

Again, this is a unique perspective for a Golden Eagle's fan. Of course ND would sell more at the Bradley Center - they are a long-term rival. And keeping in mind attendance can be affected by weekend vs. weeknight, students on campus or on winter holiday break, and of course is the team have winning momentum going into late Feb and early March; here are the actual attendance for Marquette BE home games:

Pitt - 19007
Notre Dame - 18874
Providence - 18712
UConn - 15831
DePaul - 15262
G'Town-15243
Cincinnati - 15104
St. John's - 14105

So, assuming the Panthers and Friars are skewed due to the winning momentum Marquette was experiencing heading toward tourney season and that UConn's and Cincinnati's attendance was probably hurt due to students not being on campus in early January I'd revise my guess earlier in the post to now say that Marquette's main draw remains ND with DePaul and Georgetown able to draw as well as any of the BE football schools.

Again, this isn't true for G'Town and Nova where UConn and Syracuse way outdraw (nearly double) the attendance of St. John's or Seton Hall.

Even newbie Cincy outdrew the Johnnies for a Hoyas' game this past year.

Cheers,
Neil

SO#1 Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:Yep. Right now both sides need each other, but the bb schools NEED the football schools way more than football schools NEED the bb schools. It would be unfair to the bb schools to say that their market presences haven't helped the football schools but the marquee names are the football schools and its the football schools that draw the attendance at bb schools games. It's not as though Nova-G'Town is drawing the attendance at either school that playing SU, UConn, UL, etc., does.

The 3 bb schools fighting the hardest to keep this current conglomeration together are ND, Nova, and G'Town. Fortunately for the bb schools, no attractive expansion candidate exists at this time.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

I'm responding to people suggesting going to 18 as a solution.

The mission of the Big East was basketball.

When they expanded to include football, we went to 13 members. And for years, we have 2 divisions BE7 and BE6. Schools that UConn used to play every year home and home for some year we don't see any more and Syracuse was one of them. Even with 13 teams we don't sent that many teams in NCCA tournament before the expansion. Finally we bring in VT for full membership but that didn't stabilize the conference, did it?

When people suggested going to 18, when anything over 12 is too big for basketball. They suggesting to me that we can't do without basketball schools. They forget why we have a conference. It is simply too big beyond 12. The conference is no longer served it mission. It's broken. You can't fix it by making it worst. The solution that is best for everyone is forming conferences that serve the need of every ALL members. We don't NEED basketball schools.

SO - #1,

I wasn't being critical of any of your comments. Just agreeing with MU88 that the 'whole' as 16 is greater than the sum of the parts - two separate leagues of 8. As for the rest of my post, I think you and I are on the same page as far as who would make out better with a split - to the point where some on the other side might bail and try and stay with the football side (if the football schools were crazy enough to allow it) ;-)

BTW, the expansion to 18 thing isn't going to happen. The only way the league goes to 18 is if they split and become two separate leagues for men's and women's bb (with neither side getting the Big East name) and then unite under one umbrella for the non-revenue generating sports as a Big East alliance similar to an ECAC.

I simply don't see the league becoming the Big East (singular) with 18 teams. That concept has not been discussed based upon the few (very few) inside contacts I have.

Cheers,
Neil

omnicarrier Wrote:

SO#1 Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:Yep. Right now both sides need each other, but the bb schools NEED the football schools way more than football schools NEED the bb schools. It would be unfair to the bb schools to say that their market presences haven't helped the football schools but the marquee names are the football schools and its the football schools that draw the attendance at bb schools games. It's not as though Nova-G'Town is drawing the attendance at either school that playing SU, UConn, UL, etc., does.

The 3 bb schools fighting the hardest to keep this current conglomeration together are ND, Nova, and G'Town. Fortunately for the bb schools, no attractive expansion candidate exists at this time.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

I'm responding to people suggesting going to 18 as a solution.

The mission of the Big East was basketball.

When they expanded to include football, we went to 13 members. And for years, we have 2 divisions BE7 and BE6. Schools that UConn used to play every year home and home for some year we don't see any more and Syracuse was one of them. Even with 13 teams we don't sent that many teams in NCCA tournament before the expansion. Finally we bring in VT for full membership but that didn't stabilize the conference, did it?

When people suggested going to 18, when anything over 12 is too big for basketball. They suggesting to me that we can't do without basketball schools. They forget why we have a conference. It is simply too big beyond 12. The conference is no longer served it mission. It's broken. You can't fix it by making it worst. The solution that is best for everyone is forming conferences that serve the need of every ALL members. We don't NEED basketball schools.

SO - #1,

I wasn't being critical of any of your comments. Just agreeing with MU88 that the 'whole' as 16 is greater than the sum of the parts - two separate leagues of 8. As for the rest of my post, I think you and I are on the same page as far as who would make out better with a split - to the point where some on the other side might bail and try and stay with the football side (if the football schools were crazy enough to allow it) ;-)

BTW, the expansion to 18 thing isn't going to happen. The only way the league goes to 18 is if they split and become two separate leagues for men's and women's bb (with neither side getting the Big East name) and then unite under one umbrella for the non-revenue generating sports as a Big East alliance similar to an ECAC.

I simply don't see the league becoming the Big East (singular) with 18 teams. That concept has not been discussed based upon the few (very few) inside contacts I have.

Cheers,
Neil

I agree 18 is not an option... BE needs to stay as it is ... or at most add BUFFALO for football only

goodknightfl Wrote:I agree 18 is not an option... BE needs to stay as it is ... or at most add BUFFALO for football only

This is exactly why people get annoyed at outside posters like you. If you want to come to this board and contribute positively, I am sure everyone will welcome your posts. But you continue to make this ridiculous Buffalo joke, and it completely turns people off from you.

Buffalo will never come anywhere near the Big East. I would guarantee, in fact, that the Presidents of the Big East would view going to 18 teams as a million times more palatable than adding Buffalo as a football only school. The joke is old and has run its course. Move on.

goodknightfl Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

SO#1 Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:Yep. Right now both sides need each other, but the bb schools NEED the football schools way more than football schools NEED the bb schools. It would be unfair to the bb schools to say that their market presences haven't helped the football schools but the marquee names are the football schools and its the football schools that draw the attendance at bb schools games. It's not as though Nova-G'Town is drawing the attendance at either school that playing SU, UConn, UL, etc., does.

The 3 bb schools fighting the hardest to keep this current conglomeration together are ND, Nova, and G'Town. Fortunately for the bb schools, no attractive expansion candidate exists at this time.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

I'm responding to people suggesting going to 18 as a solution.

The mission of the Big East was basketball.

When they expanded to include football, we went to 13 members. And for years, we have 2 divisions BE7 and BE6. Schools that UConn used to play every year home and home for some year we don't see any more and Syracuse was one of them. Even with 13 teams we don't sent that many teams in NCCA tournament before the expansion. Finally we bring in VT for full membership but that didn't stabilize the conference, did it?

When people suggested going to 18, when anything over 12 is too big for basketball. They suggesting to me that we can't do without basketball schools. They forget why we have a conference. It is simply too big beyond 12. The conference is no longer served it mission. It's broken. You can't fix it by making it worst. The solution that is best for everyone is forming conferences that serve the need of every ALL members. We don't NEED basketball schools.

SO - #1,

I wasn't being critical of any of your comments. Just agreeing with MU88 that the 'whole' as 16 is greater than the sum of the parts - two separate leagues of 8. As for the rest of my post, I think you and I are on the same page as far as who would make out better with a split - to the point where some on the other side might bail and try and stay with the football side (if the football schools were crazy enough to allow it) ;-)

BTW, the expansion to 18 thing isn't going to happen. The only way the league goes to 18 is if they split and become two separate leagues for men's and women's bb (with neither side getting the Big East name) and then unite under one umbrella for the non-revenue generating sports as a Big East alliance similar to an ECAC.

I simply don't see the league becoming the Big East (singular) with 18 teams. That concept has not been discussed based upon the few (very few) inside contacts I have.

Cheers,
Neil

I agree 18 is not an option... BE needs to stay as it is ... or at most add BUFFALO for football only

I have a better idea, why doesn't C-USA expand to 16? That way you can add your precious Buffalo along with Louisiana Tech, North Texas and Middle Tennessee State. It'll be a mid-major bonanza!!

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Well, I agree that I'm thinking like a fan. And, I realize that a fan's opinion means about squat in the eyes of school presidents. But my posts are obviously not intended to predict what the school presidents will actually do.

If I decide to look at this from a school president's point of view, Omni stated it, and Tigershark's been saying it all along: Just keep it at 16. School presidents don't give a hoot about football scheduling, which is supposedly the main driver for 9 FB, and therefore 9 BB schools. Tigershark said it best: the presidents think the league is the most profitable by staying intact. Why dilute the money by adding schools?

But, then again, the fan in me REALLY wants a split :-)

I think Buffalo put a whooping on UCF last time they met lmfao

Cubanbull Wrote:I think Buffalo put a whooping on UCF last time they met lmfao

that year everybody beat us bad....We only had 68 players on scholarship and that was mostly freshman. We were a D-1aa team for the 2004 season when it goes to the amount of scholarship players. I'm pretty sure we could handle Buffalo these days....

I would certaintly hope so.

I believe that will all depends on those contracts and what part of that is for football. If the fb schools are satisfied by the amount then everything will be ok. However, if the fb schools are unimpressed with the details, then this will start again. Like most of you on this board, it is all in the contracts. It does seem strange that nothing from the fb side of things has come out by now though. NOT TRYING TO START NOTHING. But everything has been about bb. but either way I wish you the very best.

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Well, I agree that I'm thinking like a fan. And, I realize that a fan's opinion means about squat in the eyes of school presidents. But my posts are obviously not intended to predict what the school presidents will actually do.

If I decide to look at this from a school president's point of view, Omni stated it, and Tigershark's been saying it all along: Just keep it at 16. School presidents don't give a hoot about football scheduling, which is supposedly the main driver for 9 FB, and therefore 9 BB schools. Tigershark said it best: the presidents think the league is the most profitable by staying intact. Why dilute the money by adding schools?

But, then again, the fan in me REALLY wants a split :-)

I was not, of course, trying to put you down for thinking like a fan. We are all fans here. It is just that I feel we often do not take into account what Presidents view as important and then they usually end up doing things that we just never expect.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Well, I agree that I'm thinking like a fan. And, I realize that a fan's opinion means about squat in the eyes of school presidents. But my posts are obviously not intended to predict what the school presidents will actually do.

If I decide to look at this from a school president's point of view, Omni stated it, and Tigershark's been saying it all along: Just keep it at 16. School presidents don't give a hoot about football scheduling, which is supposedly the main driver for 9 FB, and therefore 9 BB schools. Tigershark said it best: the presidents think the league is the most profitable by staying intact. Why dilute the money by adding schools?

But, then again, the fan in me REALLY wants a split :-)

I was not, of course, trying to put you down for thinking like a fan. We are all fans here. It is just that I feel we often do not take into account what Presidents view as important and then they usually end up doing things that we just never expect.

Krappp...that's definately a krock for sure...lol...

EagleGhost Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Well, I agree that I'm thinking like a fan. And, I realize that a fan's opinion means about squat in the eyes of school presidents. But my posts are obviously not intended to predict what the school presidents will actually do.

If I decide to look at this from a school president's point of view, Omni stated it, and Tigershark's been saying it all along: Just keep it at 16. School presidents don't give a hoot about football scheduling, which is supposedly the main driver for 9 FB, and therefore 9 BB schools. Tigershark said it best: the presidents think the league is the most profitable by staying intact. Why dilute the money by adding schools?

But, then again, the fan in me REALLY wants a split :-)

I was not, of course, trying to put you down for thinking like a fan. We are all fans here. It is just that I feel we often do not take into account what Presidents view as important and then they usually end up doing things that we just never expect.

Krappp...that's definately a krock for sure...lol...

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Ziggy Stardust Wrote:

EagleGhost Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Well, I agree that I'm thinking like a fan. And, I realize that a fan's opinion means about squat in the eyes of school presidents. But my posts are obviously not intended to predict what the school presidents will actually do.

If I decide to look at this from a school president's point of view, Omni stated it, and Tigershark's been saying it all along: Just keep it at 16. School presidents don't give a hoot about football scheduling, which is supposedly the main driver for 9 FB, and therefore 9 BB schools. Tigershark said it best: the presidents think the league is the most profitable by staying intact. Why dilute the money by adding schools?

But, then again, the fan in me REALLY wants a split :-)

I was not, of course, trying to put you down for thinking like a fan. We are all fans here. It is just that I feel we often do not take into account what Presidents view as important and then they usually end up doing things that we just never expect.

Krappp...that's definately a krock for sure...lol...

The Gaygles lmfao lmfao OMG! We got outscored by a single player. lmfao lmfao We suck! Go Gaygles!!! Were in the CUSA! Go Gaygles! lmfao lmfao

Speaking of Gay.....that's the gayest comeback ever.....pathetic.....

EagleGhost Wrote:

Ziggy Stardust Wrote:

EagleGhost Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

BJUnklFkr Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Stop thinking like a fan. Think like a school president. Those are the people who would make such decisions.

Well, I agree that I'm thinking like a fan. And, I realize that a fan's opinion means about squat in the eyes of school presidents. But my posts are obviously not intended to predict what the school presidents will actually do.

If I decide to look at this from a school president's point of view, Omni stated it, and Tigershark's been saying it all along: Just keep it at 16. School presidents don't give a hoot about football scheduling, which is supposedly the main driver for 9 FB, and therefore 9 BB schools. Tigershark said it best: the presidents think the league is the most profitable by staying intact. Why dilute the money by adding schools?

But, then again, the fan in me REALLY wants a split :-)

I was not, of course, trying to put you down for thinking like a fan. We are all fans here. It is just that I feel we often do not take into account what Presidents view as important and then they usually end up doing things that we just never expect.

Krappp...that's definately a krock for sure...lol...

The Gaygles lmfao lmfao OMG! We got outscored by a single player. lmfao lmfao We suck! Go Gaygles!!! Were in the CUSA! Go Gaygles! lmfao lmfao

Speaking of Gay.....that's the gayest comeback ever.....pathetic.....

Speaking of gay, you're gay. Go Gaygles! lmfao lmfao lmfao We're #300!!! lmfao lmfao Go Gaygles!! We're in CUSA!!! lmfao lmfao